AppleScruff1
macrumors G4
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Anyone think Ipad is going down?
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Business owners dream about customers like you.
Borders ereader, Kobo was released in JUNE 2010 and didn't have Wifi or 3g They only released a wifi version in OCTOBER 2010.
They are the Ted Stevens of Book stores.
phpmaven
macrumors 68040
im just meaning to say, i think apple could be doing way better with the ipad. i think all their rules, guidelines, limitations and wtvr the f-k is only going to hurt it in the long run.
Doing better? It's one of the most, if not THE most, wildly successful tech products ever released.
i don't mean financially (right now at least), but their guidelines/restrictions could alienate some fan base/ipad users in the long run/future...
I have to play the role of defending Apple here if for no reason other than to try and point out where they 'might' be coming from.
I know it's in Apple's interest to have an iDevice in as many hands as possible. They want to lure as many people to their hardware as they can because there are many avenues for them to get additional sales. I think the issue they have is that Amazon is basically paying nothing to them currently for Apple's huge market for which they can get book sales, etc. I could be wrong but beyond making the app, what cost does Amazon currently endure with regards to selling all these virtual items through Apple? None, right?
Simply put, Amazon has a HUGE market they can tap into and get sales without really putting out any large expense. I'm not saying I agree with the 30% added cost (should be lower) but I see where Apple is coming from.
Now flame away.
I understand your point and kinda Apple's as well, but to me, I see iOS devices as a platform like any other. Can anyone see Apple, Microsoft, or any of the Linux distributions charging 30% for subscriptions on desktop or laptop platforms?
I'm a pretty loyal Apple user, but I think Google's OnePass system will be much more attractive to publishers and will ultimately force Apple to change their policy.
maflynn
macrumors Haswell
I think apple is going to face higher volume of competition, but as long as they continue to cultivate a good repoire with developers and are producing well designed and functioning iPads. They'll be successful.
Just look at the iPhone, android is beating them in terms of overall volume, but the iPhone is still extremely successful and profitable.
Just look at the iPhone, android is beating them in terms of overall volume, but the iPhone is still extremely successful and profitable.
I think you guys are all going to be wrong about the 30% cut and applying to Amazon and Netflix, etc. There are already reports that Netflix is exempt. I think you're making a big deal about nothing.
My guess is that 30% cut applies to owners of the content, not distributors. For example, a magazine company that owns the content would have to give 30% to apple, which makes sense. However, Netflix or other subscription services that don't own the content themselves would be exempt. That's my guess. Same with Amazon, they would be exempt since they don't own the content.
I would wager $100 that Netflix, Hulu, Kindle, SiriusXM, and Rhapsody are not leaving the app store.
My guess is that 30% cut applies to owners of the content, not distributors. For example, a magazine company that owns the content would have to give 30% to apple, which makes sense. However, Netflix or other subscription services that don't own the content themselves would be exempt. That's my guess. Same with Amazon, they would be exempt since they don't own the content.
I would wager $100 that Netflix, Hulu, Kindle, SiriusXM, and Rhapsody are not leaving the app store.
Piggie
macrumors G3
Of it's type.
asphalt-proof
macrumors 6502a
I think you should search these forums for "iPod killer", "iPhone" killer (iOS for the iPhone, however, does have quite a bit of competition from Android, but no single handset is selling as well as the iPhone), or heck, even google those terms and see how many returns you get. I think you will find that bloggers and tech-followers based this label on a product on the better specs and functionality that, hence, makes that product an iPod/iPhone killer. And yet, in every case, those specs and functionality just don't mean a lot to the average consumer. What matters to them, even more than style or fashion statement, is it's ease of use and seamless experience in syncing with their media. It doesn't mean the consumer is stupid or vain, it means they know what they want and they buy it based on their needs.
Will Android tablets outsell the iPad? Probably. But it will be an aggregate of all the manufactures and not one dominant maker. That, then really doesn't make it an iPad killer, just a better selling OS. Something I really don't think Apple cares about so long as they are able to sell more than any one manufacturer, still maintain their profit margins, and continue to grow their customer base.
However, I think that 30% cut has to potential to really cut them up. Content is king with the iPad and if Amazon, Netflix, etc. jump ship then all bets are off. I think we are only getting part of the story with this 30% though. It just seems like Apple is shooting themselves in the foot with this. Something very Un-Apple-like for them.
Pressure
macrumors 603
Not really, the adoption rate of the iPad trumps any other consumer product released so far.
DeathChill
macrumors 68000
I thought it was the fastest selling tech product; no other qualifiers. Maybe I am mistaken, but I don't think so.
what competition do you think will crush the iPad?
Will it be the "5 models announced none have ever shipped" playbook?
Maybe one of the dozen or so 15 pound windows "laptops with a touch screen" that didn't sell for 7 years before the iPad but will start now?
Maybe the moto "we don't allow our android products to be updated so i hope you like this version" xoom, maybe with added "blur"?
You "have a feeling" that a series of products yet to ship, despite almost a year of wait, is going to come in and crush the shipping product of a company that has cornered the touch screen and flash memory markets. A product that, for most people on the street, is synonymous with "tablet computer."
I have got to get me some of what you have been smoking....
Will it be the "5 models announced none have ever shipped" playbook?
Maybe one of the dozen or so 15 pound windows "laptops with a touch screen" that didn't sell for 7 years before the iPad but will start now?
Maybe the moto "we don't allow our android products to be updated so i hope you like this version" xoom, maybe with added "blur"?
You "have a feeling" that a series of products yet to ship, despite almost a year of wait, is going to come in and crush the shipping product of a company that has cornered the touch screen and flash memory markets. A product that, for most people on the street, is synonymous with "tablet computer."
I have got to get me some of what you have been smoking....
Denial eh? Come back and say that in a year or two time when the vast majority of tablet devices sold are Android-based purely because they let all different hardware manufacturers use it. Apple may have their corner of the market, but like their iPhone, it will dwindle to insignificance.
chrishemley823
macrumors newbie
That isn't right.
poloponies
Suspended
I think there is certainly reason for concern, I know we are dealing with the negotiations in a newer type of market, but apple sure is taking the abrasive approach with some of these things.
I have planned on buying an ipad 2 since a few months after the 1st came out.
The problem really is that I'm not sure what apples thinking in regards to content providers, among other things. Unfortunately, apple has the power to severely change the functionality and ultimately value of your device with their upcoming struggle to come to proper terms with content providers and devs.
At this point, I don't know that I can afford to buy an ipad and all the apps I'd want, only to watch apple and content providers play chicken for the next 16 months with the functionality of my device and all the money I spent on it at stake.
I'm starting to think that this locked down 1 store ecosystem is not going to be as palatable for me on a tablet as it is on my iphone.
And you have to think, what are they doing here? Drawing a huge line in the sand for essentially a negligible part of their profit per year?
And that leads me to thinking....no, they see it as a significant part of their profit per year in the future, which is THE only way to make sense of what they are doing now.
And that is pretty much a deal breaker. Looking ahead, if apple sees the distribution of software on their devices as a major source of income and profit, I might have to bail.
I just don't see that going well with so many other players willing to undercut Apple.
I have planned on buying an ipad 2 since a few months after the 1st came out.
The problem really is that I'm not sure what apples thinking in regards to content providers, among other things. Unfortunately, apple has the power to severely change the functionality and ultimately value of your device with their upcoming struggle to come to proper terms with content providers and devs.
At this point, I don't know that I can afford to buy an ipad and all the apps I'd want, only to watch apple and content providers play chicken for the next 16 months with the functionality of my device and all the money I spent on it at stake.
I'm starting to think that this locked down 1 store ecosystem is not going to be as palatable for me on a tablet as it is on my iphone.
And you have to think, what are they doing here? Drawing a huge line in the sand for essentially a negligible part of their profit per year?
And that leads me to thinking....no, they see it as a significant part of their profit per year in the future, which is THE only way to make sense of what they are doing now.
And that is pretty much a deal breaker. Looking ahead, if apple sees the distribution of software on their devices as a major source of income and profit, I might have to bail.
I just don't see that going well with so many other players willing to undercut Apple.
Apple currently can't make iPhones fast enough. If that is your example of how badly the iPad will crash, I have bad news for you. That is success.
iphone1105
macrumors 68020
Dwindle to insignifigance? seriously? everyone and their grandma has an iDevice. Lets not be too one sided bro. All these phones are good, but the iPhone obviously isn't going anywhere...come on bro! I'd get reamed if I said droid would be dust one day, vice versa applies here.
The ipad has this tablet market licked IMHO. The reason is simplicity something the other manufacturers haven't realised yet, ease of use making it useable by all people even the very young and the very old. I know people that have great grandparents who are comfortably using ipads and had not even touched a computer previously. The ipad is reaching market segments that none of these new tablets could hope to reach.
I don't really see the upcoming Honeycomb tablets as really knocking the iPad down. In my observations, the real threat comes from HP's webOS tablet. Even their beta that they showed at their media event has far more functionality and integration than Honeycomb, and have done several things better than the current iOS. That being said, I expect the new iPad announcement to yet again raise the bar. Good for consumers, bad for competitors.
This, as an example.
If specs weren't important iPhone 4 shouldn't have blown away the competition.
If specs were important iPhone 3gs shouldn't have lagged behind the competition.
Apple has a track record of both lagging behind technology and leading the tech front.
Because you have used both Honeycomb and WebOS tablets?
1) If honeycomb is as good as it looks.
2) If manufacturers use STOCK vanilla honeycomb, and therefore can get fast updates from google (since they are all basically the same tegra 2 setup it should be easy).
3) If apple doesn't bring any major changes with iOS 5.
4) If the iPad 2 is really just iPad 1.5 and has a single core A8 processor and a minor spec bump.
5) If apple doesn't release the iPad 3 in september with a retina display and a PROPER spec bump.
If all of those are true, then apple is in trouble and honeycomb is going to absolutely trash iPad sales. Now for points 1 and 2 to be true, it will take at least 6 months to a year after release to see if they can actually deliver fast updates and remove the 'fragmentation'. During this time obviously the iPad is going to sell great regardless of the spec increase. BUT if all of those factors come together, there really will be NO reason an educated buyer should get an iPad. The chances of all of those things coming together are slim, and we'll probably see the iPad selling well regardless, and honeycomb steadily catching up with the more tech savy crowd.
2) If manufacturers use STOCK vanilla honeycomb, and therefore can get fast updates from google (since they are all basically the same tegra 2 setup it should be easy).
3) If apple doesn't bring any major changes with iOS 5.
4) If the iPad 2 is really just iPad 1.5 and has a single core A8 processor and a minor spec bump.
5) If apple doesn't release the iPad 3 in september with a retina display and a PROPER spec bump.
If all of those are true, then apple is in trouble and honeycomb is going to absolutely trash iPad sales. Now for points 1 and 2 to be true, it will take at least 6 months to a year after release to see if they can actually deliver fast updates and remove the 'fragmentation'. During this time obviously the iPad is going to sell great regardless of the spec increase. BUT if all of those factors come together, there really will be NO reason an educated buyer should get an iPad. The chances of all of those things coming together are slim, and we'll probably see the iPad selling well regardless, and honeycomb steadily catching up with the more tech savy crowd.
poloponies
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You really can't break it down like that. People will buy based on their needs, not tech "savviness." I've been on the leading edge of tech for most of my life but I don't necessarily need the latest and greatest of everything. I don't really need much beyond the current iPad at the moment. My needs will undoubtedly change over time and I'll need to make a decision based on that, not blindly spout that "x looks so much better that I will absolutely buy it."
If thesmoth's very restricted hypothetical comes true, it won't 'absolutely trash iPad sales' because most people don't care about what version of iOS is on iPad and most people have no clue what processor is in the iPad. Most people aren't making a decision between iPad OR honeycomb, they're making a decision 'iPad or not'. While honeycomb is a hypothetical alternative, it's not going to be on most people's radar at all, and if it is, it won't be because of Retina displays or the processor inside. People don't value the things thesmoth thinks they should; oh well.
Fortunately, he's covered his bases to save face, because if people continue to buy iPads, it's because they're 'uneducated buyers' who have 'no reason' to actually get an iPad, unlike those of us who are 'tech savvy'.