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this is the only real dissapointment. I'd probably have bought one if I could. But I don't need the 2.6ghz processor...why can't I just get the larger SSD?
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not true at all. I care for my laptops very well. I've had 3 screen replacements (the third being just them handing me a new machine) and a logic board replacement, all in less than 2 years.
Sometimes, things just happen. Any and all electronics can just go bad after a short amount of time...its just the way things work. The way I see it, you can spend a few hundred dollars more and then not have to pay huge amounts of money later (I essentially got upgraded to a new generation of machine for a couple hundred bucks, by the way), or you can risk having to pay hundreds or thousands if something does happen. I chose the former, and I'm glad I did. The repairs I've had to have over the years would be over a thousand dollars had I not bought applecare
I agree, we should start a petition to accomplish the exact same thing that taking no action and just not buying a MBP retina accomplishes. /sarcasm
These are my thoughts on it,
Nobody is forcing you to integrate into the new RMBP, however I do see them discontinuing the current form of the MBP. Why? Because Apple is not in the business to make their fan base happy, no multi-billion dollar multinational corporation is. They are there for profit, nothing more or less, it costs them less to have no user upgradeable ram and they can profit from it being that way as well. The same can be said about the SSD. I am a power user, a serious one at that. I am often running Solaris 11 Express and Windows 7 Pro side by side often and maxing out my ram constantly. I am the 1-5% that does this, Apple can afford to screw us over because they will not loose anything from it. They hardly make a large profit from their machines in general, they make more in one iPhone release than 3-4 years in laptop sales.
I find it also suprising that people are pinning the blame on Tim Cook, when I am pretty sure that this was in the end stages of development when Steve Jobs was still head of the company. Apple is evolving to appeal to a larger group of consumers with fancy features that power users (like me and the 5%) find useless. Like I said nobody is forcing you to buy their product, but this isnt just a trend, I am 95% sure that they will discontinue their MBP line very shortly in favor of this.
Nobody is forcing you to integrate into the new RMBP, however I do see them discontinuing the current form of the MBP. Why? Because Apple is not in the business to make their fan base happy, no multi-billion dollar multinational corporation is. They are there for profit, nothing more or less, it costs them less to have no user upgradeable ram and they can profit from it being that way as well. The same can be said about the SSD. I am a power user, a serious one at that. I am often running Solaris 11 Express and Windows 7 Pro side by side often and maxing out my ram constantly. I am the 1-5% that does this, Apple can afford to screw us over because they will not loose anything from it. They hardly make a large profit from their machines in general, they make more in one iPhone release than 3-4 years in laptop sales.
I find it also suprising that people are pinning the blame on Tim Cook, when I am pretty sure that this was in the end stages of development when Steve Jobs was still head of the company. Apple is evolving to appeal to a larger group of consumers with fancy features that power users (like me and the 5%) find useless. Like I said nobody is forcing you to buy their product, but this isnt just a trend, I am 95% sure that they will discontinue their MBP line very shortly in favor of this.
What power has been lost? Every consumer still owns ultimate power.
They have thought about the consumer. Maybe not the pro user in this case, but that is far from the typical consumer.
How does the new MBP represent just a "slight spec bump"?
And lastly, I'm not sure you understand what ethics means.
Sometimes, yes -- but it's true in the main. I've had two laptops over the past eight years, and they both still work. One an iBook from 2004, and the other a MacBook from 2006. Work as good as they day I got them.
We do own ultimate power, but now do not have the power to chose a decent, cheap-to-fix/upgrade mobile Mac OS platform.
We also apparently do not care about being lied to.
It is only a slight spec bump, as it now has to use a lot of the performance to power the retina display. Also, as I said, you can easily use 11GB RAM just by web browsing. Unless most people browse one tab at a time and never open in new tabs.
I think I'm pretty sure what ethics means.
Ethics would be not lying directly to the consumer.
Hell, it'd be like me showing my old gaming PC from yonks ago with a 3.6GHz C2D and a 5770HD and saying it can run Crysis at full settings as one of its features, on a 2560x 1800 screen.
If people ask "well, can it really?" I could just say "sure it can, look at this screenshot I'll use to market it"
I can then, like Apple, show it running it beautifully in all its fully-rendered glory at WWDC... as a one-frame screenshot, deliberately not showing gameplay
Yes, I think I know what bad ethics are. I'm surprised there are now fanboys trying to say that D3 is playable at the "early teen" figures they're getting on retina as it's a "top-down RTS"
It's pathetic really, how they'll get something expecting it to work as they saw a screenie of it at WWDC and then find it won't actually run.
Does anyone else not see that as deceptive?
It's like giving you an awesome pocket knife where all the blades are blunted, just for the sole purpose of being the people selling that make of knife first.
We already saw that they can't legally own rights to Retina screens, so other companies will muscle in with more features and more grunt with the same displays.
I'm just gonna miss MAC OS. For me it used to be about value - saving time by using a simplified OS without crappy auto-updates and crashes, but now they don't even have the bleeding edge in technology that set them apart.
I don't think it's Cook's fault in any case. As always, it comes down to board and market decisions. I just find it very sad that Apple is now not able to hold their own against PC's performance, for the price their asking. More's the pity.
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Well, we would in a world where you couldn't legally enforce a monopoly on, say, "machines which run OS X".
Well, that's the thing. Why isn't this the new "MacBook Retina", with a "MacBook Pro Retina" coming out later with more ports and more options? Why is Apple using the "Pro" name for a decidedly non-pro laptop?
Tim, you've done a great job with the sheep here at MacRumors. Please pat this user on the neck, feed him a treat, and refill his Kool-Aid.
There are tradeoffs to increasing performance and reliability.
Apple has made the MacBook Pro with Retina Display thinner and 60% faster than the previous model by not allowing inside access to the machine. This update is on a higher caliber than the 2009 update to the MacBook Pro Unibody which got rid of the removable battery.
The complaints will die down as you realize how incredible the computer is.
Apple has made the MacBook Pro with Retina Display thinner and 60% faster than the previous model by not allowing inside access to the machine. This update is on a higher caliber than the 2009 update to the MacBook Pro Unibody which got rid of the removable battery.
The complaints will die down as you realize how incredible the computer is.
You know, I am glad Apple came out with this new Retina MBP. I know there's a lot of people who want or need it, so it's good that they are served by that machine. Personally, my uses are best served by the MBP 13" and that is what I bought, so I am also glad they kept the previous style and updated the specs on them for the people that wanted/needed them.
Everyone has different tastes and needs and I am glad Apple tried to serve the broadest base of users it could.
Everyone has different tastes and needs and I am glad Apple tried to serve the broadest base of users it could.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/257519/ifixit_teardown_retina_macbook_pro_will_be_hard_to_repair.html
Already done and it's not pretty. Absolutely no user serviceable components.
And yes while there's some other options today, I doubt we'll see another revision cycle contain an upgradable Apple laptop.
Cheers,
I feel bad for the "old" generation Mbp, it seems that everyone has forgotten she even exists with her ethernet, FW and up to 16 GB of RAM which is the same as the highest config "new" Mbp.
I'm really liking this idea for the high resolution display and I love new tech as much as the next guy/gal, but why is it a necessity that people MUST have it this year? If all the other parts are so important such as "upgradability", legacy ports, etc, etc. This just seems over the top. There are two choices of laptops available, with exactly the same configuration of CPU / GPU / RAM, save for the LCD.
I'm really liking this idea for the high resolution display and I love new tech as much as the next guy/gal, but why is it a necessity that people MUST have it this year? If all the other parts are so important such as "upgradability", legacy ports, etc, etc. This just seems over the top. There are two choices of laptops available, with exactly the same configuration of CPU / GPU / RAM, save for the LCD.
I don't think the non-upgradability is an issue. Current processors are future proof for the life of the laptop.
The key decision is about the RAM upon purchase. 8Gb RAM looks good now, but what about in three years? So, if you are interested in keeping your retina MBP more future proof, you should put in the maximum 16 Gb RAM. $200 more is not a crazy price, I believe.
The other thing is that you need to calculate the price of an extended warranty into the purchase price. With user serviceable parts, you could get a away with replacing a failing hard drive etc...
In short: put in 16 Gb RAM, get Applecare (even if you don't like it to pay extra for it), and you're good to go.
The key decision is about the RAM upon purchase. 8Gb RAM looks good now, but what about in three years? So, if you are interested in keeping your retina MBP more future proof, you should put in the maximum 16 Gb RAM. $200 more is not a crazy price, I believe.
The other thing is that you need to calculate the price of an extended warranty into the purchase price. With user serviceable parts, you could get a away with replacing a failing hard drive etc...
In short: put in 16 Gb RAM, get Applecare (even if you don't like it to pay extra for it), and you're good to go.
the ifixit article that most sight was wrong in their headline a few other places have pointed it out. The storage is a mini pci-e card it is basically the same thing that is the macbook air, except for the layout.of the card. OWC "macsales.com" will likely have these in a couple months just like they did which the MacBook Air. within a couple months of the MBA they had ones that were cheaper, faster, and of larger capacity than what were available from Apple.
As for the Ram not being upgradable.... Well I can see a couple of advantages to hang it this way.
Probably 90% of the problems that people have with Mac laptops is people putting cheap after market memory in them. This way apple has total Control of the memory that is in them. So there is a QA advantage to apple there. Plus probably 75% of people 8GB is all they would probably ever be wanting. and the simple upgrade for $200 from 8 to 16 is totally worth it.
So giving everyone 8GB the minimum was a good move. and I do really heavy animation and simulation and I don't really see me doing anything that is going to make me need more than 16GB on my laptop.
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I am calling pics or it didnt happen, I am pretty sure the CPU would hit maximum before you could open 11GB worth of tabs
I don't think it is as "deceptive" per-se. Like I said earlier this notebook isnt targeted at gamers and unless I can get evidence otherwise I dont think ANY of their notebooks have even been marketed that way. Fanboys will always be blind to their company of worship, until that company does something so stupid it almost runs into the ground. But even then there will be supporters.
Displays like that have been around a while, what makes it "revolutionary" is marketing and resolution. That is it. PERIOD. I do agree with the majority of your post though.
The thing is, historically speaking they never have been able to. I don't honestly believe they ever will either. Fanboys can argue with me all they want but when a high-end desktop-replacement NOTEBOOK can go toe to toe with Apples top end offerings (Mac Pro) That is a bad sign that they are behind and every year it gets worse and worse. The last time that Apple was even REMOTELY competitive was with the Quad G5 Powermac offerings they had in 2006. That was nearly 12 computer generations ago. They cant compete with: Sager, Clevo, ASUS, SAMSUNG, TOSHIBA (higher end notebooks) ALIENWARE and MSI. They have been competing with each other since 1992-1995 and are damn good at it.
That is what won me over to my current machine (M17XR2), I could of easily gotten a fully loaded MBP 17-Inch. The power was simply not there, they were late to get quad cores into their notebooks, late into getting higher capacity ram, late into pretty much every aspect of the mainstream computing industry. I am not referring to the "walmart machines". I am talking about machines that are in the price range of any Apple Laptop offering.
A port can appear as one way and still have proprietary pinouts for voltage and data. Not to mention different amps + voltage for said pinouts. computer companies have a great way of ****ing you over with crap like that.
At 100 watts.
That basically makes them unusable in anything that's meant to be used as a portable for an extended period and doesn't require you to carry a car battery.
This may well be a new contender for most ludicrously implausible fanboy claim I've yet seen on these forums. And that is saying something.
I've been using Macs since about 1987, and mac laptops since the mid-90s. I don't think there has EVER been a time in that period when I did not have at least one Mac laptop, usually two. Plus one for my spouse, and my mom's had one or another for a few years, and my in-laws have one, and my lawyer has a couple, and... well. Lots of Mac laptops.
In all that time, I have had a grand total of zero problems, ever, relating to memory that I put in machines. I have, in fact, never actually heard of a person having such a problem.
I have personally sent laptops in to Apple for servicing of one sort or another probably fifteen or twenty times. Battery suddenly bulging, battery life down to almost nothing, multiple failures of the "UFO" power supplies, hard drive failures, screen failures, mysterious DVD-ROM performance problems on the Pismo (I had a single disk that would reliably crash the player on the Pismo until they sent me, by chance, the other of two brands of DVD drive they'd been using), overheating and display problems galore on the 2008 MBP, fan failures, electrical faults in ports, power supply plugs coming loose...
Which is to say, your claim is not merely implausible, it is laughable. It is not remotely conceivable. Even the most casual consideration will reveal that if even one laptop in five or ten ever gets brought in for any reason whatsoever, it is impossible that "90%" of problems are caused by cheap aftermarket RAM, because not that many people install cheap aftermarket RAM to begin with.
Please. Apple's got a bad enough reputation for followers whose fanaticism turns them into gibbering lunatics. We don't need to make it worse. Before you make up utterly stupid numbers to try to provide a bogus justification for a choice, stop and sanity-check whether it's even the slightest bit plausible.
Yes, I read iFixit's article earlier. 'Absolutely no' isn't quite true -- they said the SSD wasn't replaceable 'yet,' not that it would never be replaceable. It's on a separate daughtercard, not glued on as the battery is.
I've been a loyal Apple fan/customer for years. Have I been upset with them over a few things? Absolutely. But I think some people are getting a little too bent out of shape over this. Why not just buy what you're projected to need within the time you plan to own it? Or just buy a different computer? There's a chance I don't quite understand certain users' needs, but I think my earlier statement is only logical.
You can not use Logic or Common Sense on the interwebs. You'll only confuse people.
Well at the end of the day all will depend on the sales. If the sales are high enough I doubt that Apple is going to do anything. I know see why Apple is leaving the existing MBP model on sale still.