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Aperture 4

rebby said:
I've used this adjustment quite a bit and it does wonders for removing noise however, it's not selective at all and I end up with very soft images even when shooting at an ISO as low as 6400. This slider, although a great tool, is not the end-all-be-all of noise removal and has actually left me disappointed more often than not.
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I assume this is a typo? 6400 is an extremely high ISO. You would expect it to create very noisy images which lack fine detail. Therefore if you apply noise reduction to them, of course it’s going to create soft images.

After applying noise reduction to an image, it is possible to apply "proper" sharpening to get some of the detail back without reintroducing the noise.
By this I mean something like Photoshop's Unsharp Mask tool, which lets you apply the sharpening proportionally. Do not try to sharpen your image inside the DAM – the sharpening tools in Aperture / Lightroom / Capture are terrible!
 
swordio777 said:
I assume this is a typo? 6400 is an extremely high ISO. You would expect it to create very noisy images which lack fine detail. Therefore if you apply noise reduction to them, of course it’s going to create soft images.

After applying noise reduction to an image, it is possible to apply "proper" sharpening to get some of the detail back without reintroducing the noise.
By this I mean something like Photoshop's Unsharp Mask tool, which lets you apply the sharpening proportionally. Do not try to sharpen your image inside the DAM – the sharpening tools in Aperture / Lightroom / Capture are terrible!
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Maybe not LOW, but not extremely high either. My 5d3 shoots a pretty good picture at 6400, with not all that much noise.

I would still like better noise reduction, and definitely lens correction.
 
CaptainZero said:
Maybe not LOW, but not extremely high either. My 5d3 shoots a pretty good picture at 6400, with not all that much noise.

I would still like better noise reduction, and definitely lens correction.
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This.

I'm shooting with a 5d3 and a 1dx. ISO 6400, with these 2 cameras, is NOT that high as far as noise is concerned. Other RAW processors do a far better job cleaning up the minimal noise produced without over-softening the image than Aperture does. I'm even better off just leaving all noise sliders at minimum in Aperture and using external tools (Nik, PS, etc) to deal with noise instead (as has been my standard practice). Noise is a HUGE drawback to using Aperture for me at the moment. I try to keep ISO down but in dark gyms you don't often have a choice in the matter, it's either crank the ISO up or underexpose.
 
Apple desperately needs to have 3rd party plugin architecture for A4, to be precise, it'll have its own adjustment panel where you're able to turn it on off just like other adjustments.

And with that, Apple should also get DxO to port their DxO Prime NR as a plugin for A4, that NR software is freaking good at suppressing noise for most of the scenes.
 
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that is why we have plugins for LR and Aperture. Neither Adobe nor Apple will ever give us all the capabilities we need for all photos. Investigate and consider plugins such as Perfecto Photo Suite 8, Nike Collection and the Topaz lab collection.
 
MCAsan said:
that is why we have plugins for LR and Aperture. Neither Adobe nor Apple will ever give us all the capabilities we need for all photos. Investigate and consider plugins such as Perfecto Photo Suite 8, Nike Collection and the Topaz lab collection.
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Spelling police here. That would be Nik Collection.

/Jim
 
mtbdudex said:
bump-any A4 rumors out there??
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Sure, I'll start one. :)

New major version of Aperture to be announced at NAB in early April with revolutionary new editing and workflow features including an IOS application.

It will be versioned Aperture 3.5.2 and half of the user base abandons it because it was not versioned 4.0.
 
d.steve said:
Sure, I'll start one. :)


It will be versioned Aperture 3.5.2 and half of the user base abandons it because it was not versioned 4.0.
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The rumor I heard was the version would be: 3.5.1.1.5.7.4.3.1.0.1.6.9.7.2.3
 
d.steve said:
It will be versioned Aperture 3.5.2 and half of the user base abandons it because it was not versioned 4.0.
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Ha ha. Could happen. But Nostradamus (me) predicts that it will be called Aperture X.
 
Maybe Apple is busy stripping the functions out to make it work for iPad...like they did with Pages, Numbers, and Keynote. :eek:
 
MCAsan said:
Maybe Apple is busy stripping the functions out to make it work for iPad...like they did with Pages, Numbers, and Keynote. :eek:
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Lowest common denominator makes me sad. :(

And yes, iWork 2013 makes me mad. :mad:
 
INHO iWork 2013 is a complete disaster. We are still using the 09 version waiting for a serious replacement. Way to go Apple for leaving the stage open for Office.

So did Apple learn any lessons from the iWorks debacle to apply to Apeture or their other products? Only time will tell. I know that Apple seems to be taking way to long to fix iWorks 2013.
 
The Bad Guy said:
Yep. What Razeus said. Move on people...move on.
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a person can dream can't they.

Also sometimes moving on is not really an option. I went to aperture because the love/hate I had with adobe had the needle pegged in hate pretty much constantly towards the end of my days I used them.

Its bloat, their amazing ability to just forget how to patch bugs or import new raw settings for new gear into versions past 10 months (seemed to recall this with great clarity for the new version at 12 months though, guess $90+ dollars jogged the memory).
 
Aww hell no Aperture is perfect as is for single users.

The only real enhancements it needs are multi-user workflows on a server database, for example, at a media company with dozens of photojournalists and editors accessing a common database.

Right now the Aperture database is based on TinySQL on a the users computer, and it really needs to separate the database from the user interface. The database needs to be on a server somewhere else, so that multiple users can access it.

This is the ONLY thing Aperture needs to upgrade.

Actually, most of the Apple tools need to go to a multi-user client-server data model, including Final Cut.
 
I have heard Aperture called a lot of things....but never perfect. ;)

I would have thought it is like Lightroom....good but not perfect.
 
MCAsan said:
I have heard Aperture called a lot of things....but never perfect. ;)

I would have thought it is like Lightroom....good but not perfect.
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I can understand his viewpoint from a workflow and DAM perspective - it's absolutely fantastic. That's why many of stick with it.

But +1 on better multiuser workflow. No doubt.
 
d.steve said:
I can understand his viewpoint from a workflow and DAM perspective - it's absolutely fantastic. That's why many of stick with it.

But +1 on better multiuser workflow. No doubt.
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Seriously folks - d.steve is spot on. Despite Thomas' suggested 'new features' for us dreamers for an updated Aperture 4 (X) from the url I posted, can we agree that AP3 does asset management well at least on a single CPU configuration? And that use of 3rd party plugins can handle pretty much all the advanced post-processing we could envision using - even direct transfer of raw images held by AP3 to those 3rd party applications and re-capture back in to AP3.

But there are perhaps larger issues at work...here are a few observations I found:

Obviously something is happening in the camera market (see http://visualsciencelab.blogspot.com/2013/08/has-bubble-burst-is-that-why-camera.html) or (http://petapixel.com/2014/03/05/a-l...d-like-for-the-photography-industry-not-good/).

Recent Apple patents for lens attachments for the upcoming iPhone 6 suggests that Apple is following the market and the market is not us DSLR and other ILC users.

Food for thought...
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MCAsan said:
I have heard Aperture called a lot of things....but never perfect. ;)

I would have thought it is like Lightroom....good but not perfect.
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I've used Aperture since V1.0, and tried Lightroom as well when it first came out. It didn't impress me.

Right now I see no advantage to Lightroom for my use, as an editor for a bunch of photojournalists. I don't need lots of fancy special effects, maybe lightroom is better for people that like to overprocess their images? dunno. But even for basic retouching Aperture is perfectly fine, and combined with the Nik plugins, even better...

In any case, Aperture's asset management is superior to Lightroom's, which is why we use it.

Another possible improvement would be a more integrated plug-in architecture, where plugins use the GPU and operates in memory, without having to make TIFFs to transfer data with the plugins, but that's more of a memory/disk-space optimization instead of a workflow one.
 
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