Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Honestly think SOMETHING is coming...

I am betting Apple has a big photography play coming our way... you did notice that iPhoto barely got any tweaks with the "all new" ilife... So perhaps iPhoto and Aperture and of course Apple are about to really change the way most of us think of photography...

Big things coming on all fronts? I, for one, am betting so.
 
Aperture 4

Smartphone cameras killed true photography as it's consumer based now so please don't expect anything more from apple. iPhoto is taking over.. Bridge cameras, compact cameras, dslr - their sales going down the drain big time. Sony recently laid off theirs 40 photography department staff. Can't u see what's happening?
 
Smartphone cameras killed true photography


Foolish persons that we are, the wife and I are in a Mike Moats Macro Workshop this weekend. And no one is using smartphones. The wife and I are the only folks using m43 equipment. Everyone else is using DSLRs from Nikon or Canon. :eek:
 
Smartphone cameras killed true photography as it's consumer based now so please don't expect anything more from apple. iPhoto is taking over.. Bridge cameras, compact cameras, dslr - their sales going down the drain big time. Sony recently laid off theirs 40 photography department staff. Can't u see what's happening?

True photography? As opposed to...ah...pagan?

I think the commoditization of the higher end is separate from the growing ubiquity of smartphone camera photography. Correlation != causation.
 
Smartphone cameras killed true photography as it's consumer based now

While I think it's true that smartphones have eaten into the sale of point and shoots, and bridge cameras, and maybe even DSLRs, I think reports of the death of "true photography" are premature. I wouldn't be surprised if photography was declared dead when roll film was invented, when Kodak offered the Brownie, when disposable film cameras became popular, and when digital cameras got cheap. Photography became "consumer based" a long, long time ago.

I would think Apple's a lot more concerned with Instagram users than DSLR users, so in that sense you're right. They don't seem real interested in business users, even in the areas where they used to rule, like graphics arts. It's just not that big a market for them now that they're a mobile device company in large part.

But I think that Aperture has a future, not because it's a "pro" tool, but because even the most casual iPhone user now has a library of photos that probably dwarf the collections of even the most active professional photographers several years ago. You see people complaining about iPhoto who own nothing but iPhones, yet have tens of thousands of photos, and often want to share them with 3 or 4 other people in the family, on several devices. Sheesh, the demands of a family of two adults and two teens for photo managment in 2014 is higher than a small pro photographer's business in 2000.
 
I'm expecting something much more friendly than A3, with tight iPad integration, as seen in Logic. Hope the pros don't lose too many features. But let's face it, there are probably many more dissatisfied amateurs using iPhoto than there are professionals using Aperture. iPhoto got worse and worse until eventually I had to get Aperture 3, but I would really like to see it refreshed.

I wonder if a radically fresh look would be a free update or an entirely new purchase? It's so dumb that there is no upgrade system in the store. Developers (including Apple) are forced to give their hard work away for free, or risk seriously upsetting those that have recently purchased an obsolete version.
 
True photography? As opposed to...ah...pagan?



I think the commoditization of the higher end is separate from the growing ubiquity of smartphone camera photography. Correlation != causation.


Talk to Kelby. He will tell you the truth.
 
Seriously folks - d.steve is spot on. Despite Thomas' suggested 'new features' for us dreamers for an updated Aperture 4 (X) from the url I posted, can we agree that AP3 does asset management well at least on a single CPU configuration? And that use of 3rd party plugins can handle pretty much all the advanced post-processing we could envision using - even direct transfer of raw images held by AP3 to those 3rd party applications and re-capture back in to AP3.

But there are perhaps larger issues at work...here are a few observations I found:

Obviously something is happening in the camera market (see http://visualsciencelab.blogspot.com/2013/08/has-bubble-burst-is-that-why-camera.html) or (http://petapixel.com/2014/03/05/a-l...d-like-for-the-photography-industry-not-good/).

Recent Apple patents for lens attachments for the upcoming iPhone 6 suggests that Apple is following the market and the market is not us DSLR and other ILC users.

Food for thought...Image

More data points for consideration:

see: https://www.macrumors.com/2014/05/08/super-resolution-ois/

and

https://www.macrumors.com/2014/05/09/apple-hires-lumia-photography-lead/

This all points to a better iPhone camera and in-device software. We are less than a month out from WWDC 2014 and not an inkling of talk about an Aperture update. Ok, not surprising at all - but I do say I hope I am very wrong.

Any one else picked up a recent rumor?
 
Moving on with my photo editing life:
Do you use both, i tried Capture one and could not get on with it. Use many kinds of software but C1 felt awkward and the icons were tiny. heard good things about the image quality though. I did use it long time ago when i was using a PC then lost touch with it, maybe i will try again some time.
 
Definitely not dead

Smartphones definitely did not kill photography, as we know it.

I love my iPhone 5s for photos... but it is nothing compared to my Canon 600D (an entry-level DSLR). I immediately immersed myself in the wonderful world of full-Manual exposure and lenses, and I can honestly say that I have never seen a phone compete with this. You can't kill creativity, and that is what the DSLR brings to its highest level. Sure, you can take stellar photos and even slow-mo video with iPhone (and Android devices.. meh..), but they are mostly on-the-go photos.

When I want to be creative - that is, take creative photos that are breathtaking - I use the DSLR.

So Aperture 4? WWDC 2014!!!??? Who knows, but I really hope so. I much prefer it to the world of Adobe, for simplicity. I love working in iPhoto, even with RAW - so Aperture is just icing on the cake. The world of Adobe gets too complicated. And, though I agree that Lightroom 5 processes RAW better, I think that Aperture has just as much potential if we get a redesign.
 
Do you use both, i tried Capture one and could not get on with it. Use many kinds of software but C1 felt awkward and the icons were tiny. heard good things about the image quality though. I did use it long time ago when i was using a PC then lost touch with it, maybe i will try again some time.

Decided to go with Lightroom and Photoshop CC. Capture one has great tools but the interface is poor.
 
Do you use both, i tried Capture one and could not get on with it. Use many kinds of software but C1 felt awkward and the icons were tiny. heard good things about the image quality though. I did use it long time ago when i was using a PC then lost touch with it, maybe i will try again some time.

Visit their site and you will see the C1 is a leader to their hardware - Phase One medium format camera system (lens, camera body and digital back) that starts at approx $30,000. This is simply a different world of imagery and their software reflects that world.

It is often noted that the C1 software possesses excellent noise reduction, but its is also often noted that the software is not friendly and is full of bugs. For all its pluses, there are equal if not better image management and raw processing applications that interface with the heavy duty editors (e.g. Photoshop, GIMP) and that are designed with DSLRs in mind.
 
Just used lightroom 5 for my last shoot, pity I never gave it a serious try sooner!

I have been using Aperture since 1 and I am now officially converted to LR, give it a shot :D
 
I have been usin LR since the dawn of time because I started out on a PC. Have been using LR on my rMBP for around 2 years. Last month I got Aperture and love the way it fits so much better into an Apple ecosystem. I even imported the 56,000 raw files in my LR catalog into Aperture. No problem.

As neither Aperture nor LR do everything I want to do with a raw image, I usually use plugins from Nik, OnOneSoftware, Pixelmater, or Helicon Focus to complete the work. Since am now shooting M43 equipment where lens corrections are in the raw file, I don't have to worry about lens correction missing in either Aperture or LR. ;)

So I am waiting for Apple to release a new Aperture, hopefully at WWDC to go along with 4K support). And we should have LR 6 coming this fall. So the good news is....we hopefully will still have choices for our digital asset manager (DAM). If Apple fails to announcement anything....likely I will delete Aperture and stick with LR.
 
If Apple fails to announcement anything....likely I will delete Aperture and stick with LR.

Also holding out for this years WWDC if Apple would announce something for my needs, if not, I will drop Aperture out completely.

I do photography for living and if Apple cannot (despite huge resources they have, as in they do not want to) deliver new Aperture, I need to hop to Adobe-bandwagon for good. Sad, Aperture was great but in my view it is completely outdated at the moment and LR is running 8's around it. If there is no new Aperture and LR6 gets out.. Apple has lost it. Only thing Aperture has going on compared to LR is speed while importing and exporting. And that won't do anymore, not for me.

I only fear that one by one all Apple products I use get switched to some other platform as they need to be upgraded because I keep hitting a brick wall when trying to find suitable Apple product.. Still using 4s for example.
 
Puzzled...

Also holding out for this years WWDC if Apple would announce something for my needs, if not, I will drop Aperture out completely.

I do photography for living and if Apple cannot (despite huge resources they have, as in they do not want to) deliver new Aperture, I need to hop to Adobe-bandwagon for good. Sad, Aperture was great but in my view it is completely outdated at the moment and LR is running 8's around it. If there is no new Aperture and LR6 gets out.. Apple has lost it. Only thing Aperture has going on compared to LR is speed while importing and exporting. And that won't do anymore, not for me...

This is the kind of comments that truly puzzle me. I've been a professional photographer for over 28 years with the last 12 years exclusively digital. While I can understand wanting certain features to make things more convenient, to say a program HAS to have certain features in order to be successful in your profession is alarming. When I used to shoot film, everything had to be captured in the camera. We just didn't leave anything for post-processing. I see no different with digital photography. While digital has it's challenges, it's no more difficult than shooting slide film in the past. I strive to capture a solid exposed image that can stand on it's own. I use minimal post processing and then only to do extremely fine tuning. Aperture works fine for me and so does Capture One. Lightroom is just too bloated and loaded with too many options. Just like Photoshop, I doubt that most use 15-20 % of the features. If you want to use Lightroom, fine. If you want to use Aperture, fine too. Just don't base the success of your abilities as a photographer on software. If you have the solid foundations of knowledge in exposure, composition, etc. you can pretty much use any piece of software. If you have need to use hundreds of options to post process your images, fine use Photoshop or Lightroom. If you want to keep your images organized more efficiently, use Aperture. Just don't bash something because it's supposed to help make you successful in your business.
 
Aperture 4

This is the kind of comments that truly puzzle me. I've been a professional photographer for over 28 years with the last 12 years exclusively digital. While I can understand wanting certain features to make things more convenient, to say a program HAS to have certain features in order to be successful in your profession is alarming. When I used to shoot film, everything had to be captured in the camera. We just didn't leave anything for post-processing. I see no different with digital photography. While digital has it's challenges, it's no more difficult than shooting slide film in the past. I strive to capture a solid exposed image that can stand on it's own. I use minimal post processing and then only to do extremely fine tuning. Aperture works fine for me and so does Capture One. Lightroom is just too bloated and loaded with too many options. Just like Photoshop, I doubt that most use 15-20 % of the features. If you want to use Lightroom, fine. If you want to use Aperture, fine too. Just don't base the success of your abilities as a photographer on software. If you have the solid foundations of knowledge in exposure, composition, etc. you can pretty much use any piece of software. If you have need to use hundreds of options to post process your images, fine use Photoshop or Lightroom. If you want to keep your images organized more efficiently, use Aperture. Just don't bash something because it's supposed to help make you successful in your business.


I agree..

Aperture or Lightroom are consumer based products designed to fit photography amateurs and enthusiasts.

Capture One Pro - is designed specifically for professionals with professional needs.

Now to the point - if you are pro then use your pro tool damit and stop moaning about other tools lacking this or that. You should know by now that nothing comes close to Capture One Pro period. Own your research if you wanna succeed. Get the best tools, photoshop actions etc, then master them all.
Besides did you ever learn how to use light hahah?
 
Last edited:
Even the last Bugfix Update is over 6 months old. Come on Apple, is this how Aperture should go down? I don't believe that we see an updated version at WWDC because there they'll show of the fancy new iOS 8 and OS X.

All over I like the workflow in Aperture more than in Lightroom but I love the gradient tools in Lightroom and Aperture has nothing to compete.
 
And the gradient tool in LR does not compete with the one in Perfect Photo Suite where can easily mask out the gradient around objects and only have it on the sky. If want to really push your post processing...try the Nik Collection and/or Perfect Photo Suite 8 as plugins to LR or Aperture.
 
Let's just agree -if Apple doesn't reveal Aperture 4 at this year's WWDC, can we stop making these "Aperture 4" threads. It's time to move on folks. It should be clear to you that Apple thinks photography should be handled on the iPhone.
 
Let's just agree -if Apple doesn't reveal Aperture 4 at this year's WWDC, can we stop making these "Aperture 4" threads. It's time to move on folks. It should be clear to you that Apple thinks photography should be handled on the iPhone.

Go ahead and move backwards if you want. I'll stick by my prediction is that A3 will still be superior to LR99

/Jim

----------

And the gradient tool in LR does not compete with the one in Perfect Photo Suite where can easily mask out the gradient around objects and only have it on the sky. If want to really push your post processing...try the Nik Collection and/or Perfect Photo Suite 8 as plugins to LR or Aperture.

So true... For almost anything that I am truly interested in... I run it through NIK. Who really gives a damn measuring the minutia between editing on Aperture vs Lightroom? Both use the exact same plug-ins... and once you make that move... the editing capabilities are near equivalent.

Which leaves you with evaluating its prime purpose (as a DAM)... to which there is one clear winner.

/Jim
 
I agree..

Aperture or Lightroom are consumer based products designed to fit photography amateurs and enthusiasts.

Capture One Pro - is designed specifically for professionals with professional needs.

So...photographers like Joe McNally and Bill Frakes that use Aperture, and Catherine Hall and Alan Hess that use Lighroom are amateurs and enthusiasts....huh....whodathunkit....

Sorry to burst your bubble, but quite a number of pro photographers use Aperture and/or Lightroom in combination with other tools (Photoshop CC, plug-ins) for image editing.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.