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App Store Delivery Lets Apple Slash Lion Pricing

skellener said:
So if you have a business that is all Mac, say 100 machines, $29.99 U.S. covers the upgrade for all of them to Lion???
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I believe you need to move that decimal point over to the right a couple of digits. The App Store distribution method means there is no disc or disc image. It installs directly on the machine that purchases the OS software. Think of it like an installer in the cloud. How would it be possible to get this on 100 machines?
 
Kwill said:
I believe you need to move that decimal point over to the right a couple of digits. The App Store distribution method means there is no disc or disc image. It installs directly on the machine that purchases the OS software. How would it be possible to get this on 100 machines?
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Sign into App Store account on computer you want to install on
Store>Purchases>Lion>Install

Same as you can do right now.
 
Also, OF COURSE there will be discs, or an easy way to make your own (there are already instructions on the web for how to easily burn a disc of the app-store distributed developer preview). You're just not gonna see fancy retail packaging in any store.

Systems do need bare metal reinstalls on occasion - and there's no way an enterprise or educational institution is going to go around to each machine and log in with a corporate App Store account.
 
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People who don't have reliable high speed Internet have Macs? Sure it's not Gateway or something?
 
Awjvail said:
Sign into App Store account on computer you want to install on
Store>Purchases>Lion>Install

Same as you can do right now.
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Did you even think this post out before writing it?

Does it make sense to re-download Lion 100 times (100 in the quoted example)?
 
Seems clear to me, the places with basically no other options for buying Mac software, and especially not at reasonable prices, benefit the most in this situation :).

In NZ we could go to a reseller and get games (for example) for 2x the price of the PC equivalent, and a very small selection at that; only Blizzard shines through, of course. And now there is massive expansion in all areas, so I think we have taken to the Mac AppStore like the proverbial ducks to water, and so we reap the benefits for Lion, awesome!
 
I think they should make a hard copy available, like the USB stick thing that comes with the MBAs... But I'm happy to download it and for a 35% saving over SL - someone somewhere here is not going to be happy :D
 
I only have 1Mbps connection, which can be PIA when it comes to download 4Gb bulk file. Yeah it may take around 10 hours, but still very long.

Now how if I purchase Lion with my Apple ID on App Store, but I cancel the download and then I take the 4Gb downloaded file from someone else, burn it to DVD and install on my Mac. Can I do it?

And if so, how can Lion check whether the Mac is eligible or not to install Lion? Say, can I install it on a friend's Mac which hasn't purchased Lion IF I have Lion on burned DVD?
 
notjustjay said:
Despite the fact that I don't understand your last sentence at all, I agree -- the cheaper updates means more people will upgrade which puts more Macs at the same level. Adoption of new APIs and core services will go faster as a result.
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Theres not much to understand. For better or worse, they're definitely closing up the Mac ecosystem. The app store will quickly be seen as the only place to get apps. Even if other apps and installs are allowed, the quicker that apple gets lion in the hands of folks, and the built in app store, the quicker people will forget about other methods of getting apps. Forcing devs to the app store where apple gets a cut and controls content and quality.
 
skellener said:
So if you have a business that is all Mac, say 100 machines, $29.99 U.S. covers the upgrade for all of them to Lion???
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No. The App Store licensing terms are listed here. Choose your country, follow the link to section C, then scroll down. In English versions, search for the heading "MAC APP STORE PRODUCT USAGE RULES".

In short, US$29.99 is the price for any of the following:

(a) Personal (non-commercial) use, on an unlimited number of computers owned or controlled by that person; or

(b) Commercial use, on an unlimited number of computers used by a single person; or

(c) Commercial use, on a single computer used by multiple people.

A typical business with multiple computers each used by one person will need to pay $29.99 per computer to upgrade to Lion via the App Store, and will need a separate Apple ID for each employee or computer.

There are volume licensing solutions which will be more practical for all but the smallest businesses, but from the look of the Snow Leopard pricing (which are per seat), they are in some cases more expensive than buying the retail product. Volume licensing prices for Lion haven't been announced yet.
 
Justinf79 said:
Well at least it looks like you will be able to burn a Lion install disk after downloading it. :)
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Where did you see that? My dad lives in a romote area with only cellular Internet which is extremely expensive in Australia, and only has a 250MB plan, how can he install?
 
notjustjay said:
Despite the fact that I don't understand your last sentence at all, I agree -- the cheaper updates means more people will upgrade which puts more Macs at the same level. Adoption of new APIs and core services will go faster as a result.
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The point is that Apple is increasingly adopting a business model where having all your products be from apple (computer, phone, tablet, wireless routers, cloud services) are an advantage. Doing this increases repeat sales--you are much more likely to buy another iPhone if you've got a computer that works with it and all your data in the cloud. Lion adds more features that interoperate with other Apple products and are likely to make it less attractive for a customer to opt for a non-Apple product.

So, give away the razor handle and charge more for the blades.
 
macsrcool1234 said:
Did you even think this post out before writing it?

Does it make sense to re-download Lion 100 times (100 in the quoted example)?
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To be fair, awjvail never said it made sense or was optimal ... only that you could do it. If you had 10 Macs, you could purchase Lion once and install it on all 10 Macs, just like any other app on the Mac App Store. Sure, downloading the 4GB update on each machine is a waste of time, but some folks have been able to burn a boot DVD with the beta version of Lion. This would make more sense for folks with 3 or more Macs. If it's just one or two Macs, you may as well download Lion on each machine, provided you don't have bandwidth cap issues.
 
knownikko said:
Also, OF COURSE there will be discs, or an easy way to make your own (there are already instructions on the web for how to easily burn a disc of the app-store distributed developer preview). You're just not gonna see fancy retail packaging in any store.

Systems do need bare metal reinstalls on occasion - and there's no way an enterprise or educational institution is going to go around to each machine and log in with a corporate App Store account.
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Did anybody read/see the part where Lion installs a recovery partition? No more need for an external boot for a straight reinstall.

And, of course, the Genius Bar can get Lion installed on your new HDD when it fails -- if you're still using those old things :p

Also, the App Store download only does work on 5 machines -- Just like all other App Store downloads! It's no longer an ethereal *license* restriction, it's not a soft-encoded, enterprise-level encrypted restriction.
 
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It's ridiculous to conclude that the lower price is solely from online delivery. There's no way it cost Apple $100 tondistribute a DVD.

No the difference is a change in business strategy to get new OS updates into users' hands at a more affordable price. Why? Because Lion add to the system lockin attributes of the Mac ecosystem.
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1) I suspect Apple has built in the potential price of software piracy into their titles. Any intermediate-level user can BitTorrent a .dmg and download a piece of Apple software that doesn't require registration. I would have no idea how to distribute something downloaded off the App Store. Does anyone here? (DISCLAIMER: I'm just asking a theoretical, academic question!)

2) I wonder if all of Europe minds being represented by a French flag :p:confused: Couldn't find the E.U. flag or something?

3) I really, really hope (and suspect) that Apple will come out with some physical installation method for Lion. There are just too many people with slow internet, bandwidth caps, want to quickly do multiple installs, want an emergency copy at ready, etc. If anything, they should make it available for $49 or something like that!
 
dantiston said:
Also, the App Store download only does work on 5 machines -- Just like all other App Store downloads! It's no longer an ethereal *license* restriction, it's not a soft-encoded, enterprise-level encrypted restriction.
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All Mac App Store apps can be installed on an unlimited number of Macs that you own (and have signed in on your Apple ID). Where's this 5 Mac limit coming from. I keep seeing people saying this, but it's just not true.
 
Don't forget the Aussie dollar is now better than the US Dollar. At the moment, it's sitting around US$1.07 for every AU$1. I'd say this also impacted it a fair bit, as when SL was released if would have been around US$0.80-$0.85 for every AU$1
 
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ftaok said:
dantiston said:
Also, the App Store download only does work on 5 machines -- Just like all other App Store downloads! It's no longer an ethereal *license* restriction, it's not a soft-encoded, enterprise-level encrypted restriction.
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All Mac App Store apps can be installed on an unlimited number of Macs that you own (and have signed in on your Apple ID). Where's this 5 Mac limit coming from. I keep seeing people saying this, but it's just not true.
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They explicitly said it in their latest keynote.
I remember this because they said something along the lines of, "...and since this will be a Mac app store download, it can be downloaded on up to 5 machines." Then the audience was cheering like crazy.
 
Multiple installs from single download

Apple has not said, or I missed it, that there will be a way to install to multiple machines from a single download and without burning an install disk.

Perhaps the previous rumor will come to fruition -- Time Capsule download, and multi-installs from the Time Capsule copy.
 
The NZ exchange rate is near record highs compared with the US so it makes sence that the proce is 30% down.

I also asume that it is all to do with thrying to get everyone cloud intergrated and would rather forgo ten bucks and achive greater uptake for iCloud.
 
Eddyisgreat said:
The japanese should be able to download OS X Lion and indeed the entire app store in a matter of seconds with their FTTB (Fiber to the Brain), so the cost is somehow lower ;)
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We may not have the "Fiber to the Brain" that you theorize about, but we do enjoy superb upload and download speeds here in Japan.

Here in our office, we have a 160 Mbps down/10 Mbps up connection that costs us about $60 a month. And the speeds are real, not some "Comcastic" advertising BS.

Downloading Lion from the App Store should be a breeze.
 
iTunes Authorization

ftaok said:
All Mac App Store apps can be installed on an unlimited number of Macs that you own (and have signed in on your Apple ID). Where's this 5 Mac limit coming from. I keep seeing people saying this, but it's just not true.
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You can authorize up to 5 computers at once to use your Apple ID/iTunes Store Account -- so only five computers for your apps.

While I haven't tested it, I believe an app is not usable if your computer is not authorized to use it.

It would be stupid if Lion yelled at you (and harken back to Windows) for not being authorized with a lion install, but I could see it.

Does someone else want to deauthorize their computer and find out if their app store apps still work? :p
 
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