Hopefully we can look back on this in a year or two and declare it a win against piracy. Software like Adobe Creative Suite is so expensive because so many people take it for free. Eliminating (or close to it, I'm guessing someone will try to figure some way around it) piracy is a bonus for everyone except the pirates.
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App Store Delivery Lets Apple Slash Lion Pricing
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I aslo wonder are they setting a new way of pricing OS?
Snow Leaopard 29.99 (some said this was just becase it didn't offer many features)
Lion: $20.00
so OS 11.0 also abiut twenty bucks?
Snow Leaopard 29.99 (some said this was just becase it didn't offer many features)
Lion: $20.00
so OS 11.0 also abiut twenty bucks?
1) I suspect Apple has built in the potential price of software piracy into their titles. Any intermediate-level user can BitTorrent a .dmg and download a piece of Apple software that doesn't require registration. I would have no idea how to distribute something downloaded off the App Store. Does anyone here? (DISCLAIMER: I'm just asking a theoretical, academic question!)
2) I wonder if all of Europe minds being represented by a French flagCouldn't find the E.U. flag or something?
3) I really, really hope (and suspect) that Apple will come out with some physical installation method for Lion. There are just too many people with slow internet, bandwidth caps, want to quickly do multiple installs, want an emergency copy at ready, etc. If anything, they should make it available for $49 or something like that!
While I don't think they do anything now(too lazy to create a separate account and do sha-1 hashes of the same app downloaded from 2 different accounts), it's very straightforward to watermark the download so that if it is torrented Apple can quickly figure out who seeded it.
Unless they said this in a different spot of the Keynote, you're remembering this wrongly. Go 36 minutes into the Keynote to where Phil Schiller is explaining how to buy Lion. He specifically says "since it follows Mac App Store rules", you can "use it on all of you authorized personal Macs, so you don't have to buy multiple copies". Mac App Store rules is that you can authorize all of your Macs, no limits.
Mac App Store rules are not the same as iTunes authorization rules. There are no computer limits on the Mac App Store.You can authorize up to 5 computers at once to use your Apple ID/iTunes Store Account -- so only five computers for your apps.
While I haven't tested it, I believe an app is not usable if your computer is not authorized to use it.
It would be stupid if Lion yelled at you (and harken back to Windows) for not being authorized with a lion install, but I could see it.
Does someone else want to deauthorize their computer and find out if their app store apps still work?
Check out the attached pic from Apple's website. Explicitly says that apps purchased from the MAS can be installed on every Mac you own.
Incidentally, I just signed out of my Mac App Store and purchased apps worked fine.
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Exchange parity at last
For Australians this price shift represents a long overdue shift towards pricing that more actually reflects the current value of the A$. Just last weekend I ran a comparison of Australian vs US Mac prices & after adjustment for our GST the average exchange represented in the prices was 0.93 (it is currently 1.06). The pricing of Lion represents an exchange of 1.03.
For Australians this price shift represents a long overdue shift towards pricing that more actually reflects the current value of the A$. Just last weekend I ran a comparison of Australian vs US Mac prices & after adjustment for our GST the average exchange represented in the prices was 0.93 (it is currently 1.06). The pricing of Lion represents an exchange of 1.03.
Sure macappstore is a good way to find software, especially for noobs, but the software is of more limited nature, due to apple's rules. You lose a lot of great software because they don't fit apple's rules. For example, Launchbar and many others.. To get Launchbar on Mac AppStore they would have to decrease functionality, according to their forums
Translated. The cover charge to get into the club begins at $29.99.
It's the gateway to expenditures higher than your most vivid imagination. The cost of using Lion will far outweigh just the money you spend on an annual basis.
Suddenly $129.99 will look like chump change.
Fasten your seat belts, you're gonna need em
It's the gateway to expenditures higher than your most vivid imagination. The cost of using Lion will far outweigh just the money you spend on an annual basis.
Suddenly $129.99 will look like chump change.
Fasten your seat belts, you're gonna need em
Will "download only" Lion installer allow a "clean install"?
The WWDC presentation that I watched on video only talked about downloading an "updater" that would update your existing OSX system. Does this mean that there is no way to do a "clean install" as you always could with an operating system disk?
When I've read installation advice on Apple's tech support forums, the pro users (like users of Final Cut Pro and the professional suite of apps) usually recommend doing a full clean install when installing a new operating system instead of just overwriting your existing system with an upgrader. Upgrades are easier, but seem to often lead to problems, at least from what I've read in the past. Any thoughts from people on this?
The WWDC presentation that I watched on video only talked about downloading an "updater" that would update your existing OSX system. Does this mean that there is no way to do a "clean install" as you always could with an operating system disk?
When I've read installation advice on Apple's tech support forums, the pro users (like users of Final Cut Pro and the professional suite of apps) usually recommend doing a full clean install when installing a new operating system instead of just overwriting your existing system with an upgrader. Upgrades are easier, but seem to often lead to problems, at least from what I've read in the past. Any thoughts from people on this?
I just tested the speed of my work connection (which is not as fast as my home connection) at speedtest.net and worked out from this download calculator that it will take me 13 minutes to download Lion.
So...WTF is up with the rest of the world?![:eek:]( "Eek! :eek:")
How can the US police the world when it can't even communicate efficiently within its own borders?
So...WTF is up with the rest of the world?
How can the US police the world when it can't even communicate efficiently within its own borders?
I still want the option of a "Install Disc"
I want to be able to have the option to have a install disc. I am one of those people who live out in the country, and my DSL speed is not much better than dial up.
I also want to know how people are going to install Lion who still have Tiger on there computers and cant access the App Store.
And finally, what if your hard disc dies?
I want to be able to have the option to have a install disc. I am one of those people who live out in the country, and my DSL speed is not much better than dial up.
I also want to know how people are going to install Lion who still have Tiger on there computers and cant access the App Store.
And finally, what if your hard disc dies?
That will NEVER - EVER happen. Not the paying part, the separate Apple ID for each employee or computer. Which is why I asked the question in the first place. How would one go about getting Lion for 100 machines - legit - if it's only a download from the Mac App Store??? I don't see any mention of it anywhere from Apple. I thought maybe someone would know.
A typical business with multiple computers each used by one person will need to pay $29.99 per computer to upgrade to Lion via the App Store, and will need a separate Apple ID for each employee or computer.
There is no way my departmental admin is going to create an apple ID for me and associate a departmental credit card with that account. Doing so would allow me to purchase apps with no approval and no limits to a credit card I am not authorized to use.
How are other businesses going to handle this issue?
The ugly truth no one wants to acknowledge is this is nothing more than Apple removing choices as usual and locking down the jail even tighter. Prior to the first iPhone there wasn't a term called Jailbreaking, how convenient that iWorshippers overlook this.
Want Apples newest OS?
You WILL FOLLOW Steves Orders... ha..ha..ha
Feeling Captive?
Want Apples newest OS?
You WILL FOLLOW Steves Orders... ha..ha..ha
Feeling Captive?
//Shrug. I pay slightly less than $60 for this and I don't think it's that bad. Would rather be in Japan but oh well
Did anybody read/see the part where Lion installs a recovery partition? No more need for an external boot for a straight reinstall.
And, of course, the Genius Bar can get Lion installed on your new HDD when it fails -- if you're still using those old things
Also, the App Store download only does work on 5 machines -- Just like all other App Store downloads! It's no longer an ethereal *license* restriction, it's not a soft-encoded, enterprise-level encrypted restriction.
Except for those of us who have a Mac Pro and don't want to haul it around. Plus if the hard drive dies that partition isn't going to do you much good.
Post #36 has a link to small business licensing. It's not updated with Lion info, but there's a phone number that you can call to inquire.
It's not a truth, and therefore does not need acknowledgement.
There is no 'jail', except what you imagine in your own mind and lie about in posts here.
Prior to the first iPhone, there were LOTS of locked-down phones, and lots of cracks for them. You clearly never modified custom firmware images and reflashed a motorola RAZR or v551, did you? I did, before the iPhone was even a thought in your little mind. Howardforums.com was the place to be for that about, say, 6 or 7 years ago....
I do not feel captive at all. I simply feel rage at the false things you're posting.
Besides, OS X is unix. Open up a terminal, and compile whatever you want from source. All the 'freedom' you can imagine is right there, waiting for you, for free, without restriction. If you're not clever enough to take advantage of it, that's your own fault. Quit blaming others for your shortcomings.
I'm going to purchase a new iMac once Lion is out - it'll be interesting to see how the software is supplied with it - I'm betting they'll switch to usb Flash drives like with the MacBook Air.
re. maclaptop "jail" comments - Apple has a certain approach. If you don't like it, don't buy their products - simple really.
If you wish to troll, do it somewhere else.
re. maclaptop "jail" comments - Apple has a certain approach. If you don't like it, don't buy their products - simple really.
If you wish to troll, do it somewhere else.
On an iMac, I'd be willing to bet that Apple will use a recovery partition. Actually, I think Restore DVDs will be the most likely scenario.