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So if Google, Microsoft, Epic, Amazon, etc. follow Apple's lead and posts an article similar to this one on their site, with impressive numbers and absolutely no third-party vetting or actual publicly-available data backing up those claims, that would suffice?

Nope. That's not what I said. Please re-read what I posted.
 
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That's a lot of numbers Apple is tossing around and some insane ones - where can one find such data/study to substantiate the claims or do we just take Apple's word for it?
No, it’d actually be better to find or even concoct numbers that agree with your personal thoughts about how well they’re doing. OR, find someone else who similarly has no access to the numbers behind the study but are so charismatic, they HAVE to be providing the REAL scoop.
 
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Yeah, it'd be. nice if people would let us know, so we could either help them or developers here could create something.
It’s usually developers that are upset that their app isn’t selling well although they’ve done VERY little other than create the app and put it on the App Store. There was a time in the past where you’d have to get an actual business education before you’d be able to start a business (and this education would teach about marketing). Not anymore!
 
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BTW... this isn't a new revelation or story. MR posted a similar story a year or two ago.
 
No, it’d actually be better to find or even concoct numbers that agree with your personal thoughts about how well they’re doing. OR, find someone else who similarly has no access to the numbers behind the study but are so charismatic, they HAVE to be providing the REAL scoop.
I'm simply asking where are the numbers coming from — not my "personal thoughts." Were these numbers independently verified?

I'm a huge Apple fan and supporter but doesn't mean I can't question the validity of a claim. You'll see tech reviewers often call them out on spec results as well.
 
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Yeah yeah just a few of many examples, Apple and their protective lie’s. Thats why their numbers are so high, reasonless termination of developer accounts and rejection of App/Games.






Dash Developer at least got his account back, but just because his App was very popular among developers around the world and open source. He even published the weird Apple phone calls he had, proving Apple’s misbehavior. That happens when anticompetitive behavior goes wrong.
 
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Nope. That's not what I said. Please re-read what I posted.
You said you would expect any third-party app store to show a "*demonstrated*" history of preventing fraud, with metrics similar to Apple's. Since we're on an article about Apple publishing such metrics, I would say it is safe to assume that the metrics on this particular article are the metrics you are referring to.

If I'm making a false assumption here, I'm open to you linking to whatever other supposedly "proven" metrics you might be referring to, which are backed up by some actual data and have come from someone other than Apple themselves.

If my assumption is correct, and these are the metrics you want other app stores to match, then my question stands - would you accept those other stores to merely "*demonstrate*" their history of matching these metrics in exactly the same manner that Apple has "*demonstrated*" their metrics here? If not, why not?
 
Has anyone verified this claim? Last time I looked for an app there were so many fakes that I gave up since it wasn't clear which was the real one.

Update: Worse today than it was before. Not only fake apps but banned apps. ES File Explorer was banned from Google Play Store in 2019 but ended up on Apple App Store so it's the graveyard of banned Android apps.

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If it was banned on Google Play, it isn’t anymore…

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This is definitely a good thing, and is one of the reasons I trust the App Store far more than any other means of distributing software.

That said, my previously stated opinion about Apple's need for a better anti-copycat and anti-fraud team stands; whatever Apple is doing right already, they need to do better.

I have no doubt Apple has rejected 157K spam, copycat, and sketchy apps, but there are still many thousands more still on the App Store, and there shouldn't be. However many people Apple has on this team, they need more, and/or whatever system they have for rejecting spam and copycat apps needs to be better.

Maybe it's a problem of there not being a mechanism for removing bad apps once they get past the first line of defense; if that's the case they need a team who spends 8 hours a day every day reviewing stuff that's already up for things that shouldn't be there.
 
Wake up people. Do you not find it odd that these bogus stats are published when Apple's App Store is being justifiably attacked by numerous governments and regulatory bodies?

No. First, can you back up your claim that these stats are bogus? Do you have a source that proves otherwise? Second, of course they are publishing stats when governments are proposing changing laws, because many don’t understand the protection that App Store reviews offer customers. Is Apple perfect? No. Can they do better? Yes. But allowing anyone to get apps onto an iPhone without the maker of the API and OS reviewing is a high-risk. What‘s to stop a foreign government from getting spyware and back doors onto people’s devices?
 
I'm simply asking where are the numbers coming from — not my "personal thoughts." Were these numbers independently verified?

I'm a huge Apple fan and supporter but doesn't mean I can't question the validity of a claim. You'll see tech reviewers often call them out on spec results as well.
No, there are no entities that are able to independently verify these numbers. Even if an entity were invited into Apple, there would be so many restrictions on what they could see or do, that it could still be argued that Apple’s “cooking” the numbers in their favor.

Folks are free to question the validity of the claims and even discount them entirely. But, any numbers that anyone else provides is guaranteed to be far less factually based.
 
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How is apple determining that apps have hidden or malicious features when devs don't give source code?
Because devs are using the API that Apple created for the OS that Apple created. They can run code analysis and see what API calls the app makes. That’s how they prevented apps that were calling Apple’s private APIs from being added to the store.
 
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You said you would expect any third-party app store to show a "*demonstrated*" history of preventing fraud, with metrics similar to Apple's. Since we're on an article about Apple publishing such metrics, I would say it is safe to assume that the metrics on this particular article are the metrics you are referring to.

If I'm making a false assumption here, I'm open to you linking to whatever other supposedly "proven" metrics you might be referring to, which are backed up by some actual data and have come from someone other than Apple themselves.

If my assumption is correct, and these are the metrics you want other app stores to match, then my question stands - would you accept those other stores to merely "*demonstrate*" their history of matching these metrics in exactly the same manner that Apple has "*demonstrated*" their metrics here? If not, why not?

"If my assumption is correct, and these are the metrics you want other app stores to match, then my question stands - would you accept those other stores to merely "*demonstrate*" their history of matching these metrics in exactly the same manner that Apple has "*demonstrated*" their metrics here? If not, why not?"

Of course not, that would be stupid. This is a public forum. It would similarly be stupid for Apple to divulge in detail their exact methods for detecting the abuses mentioned in the story, which I suspect are proprietary for obvious reasons. Thus what you are seeing are the *results*.

I would expect alternate app stores desiring to link with Apple to privately demonstrate to Apple's satisfaction, that they have a similar positive track record in rejecting fraudulent apps, apps that compromise privacy/security, apps that are spam/misleading, apps with nefarious hidden features, being able to detect credit card fraud/stolen cards, rejecting fraudulent user accounts, etc, etc. Of course not in absolute numbers similar to Apple/s, but in somewhat relative percentages to Apple's App Store findings.

How would they demonstrate this? With internal records kept (like Apple no doubt has), interviews of alternate app store personnel by Apple specialists, contacting their current customers, etc, etc. I suspect it could be like obtaining a Government security clearance. It's research-based due diligence.

Apple takes security/privacy/fraud/etc extremely serious. I would expect no less from any alternate store Apple is involved with.
 
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Because devs are using the API that Apple created for the OS that Apple created. They can run code analysis and see what API calls the app makes. That’s how they prevented apps that were calling Apple’s private APIs from being added to the store.
Devs can make their own private functions /APIs and apple can't know what the app is doing without souce code.
 
Instead of allowing 3rd party app stores, Apple should just let users install Android onto an iPhone. Want to have an Android experience and add whatever apps from wherever with potential security issues, load up Android onto the iPhone. Want to switch back after having security issues or get hacked, load iOS back on. Problem solved.
 
Devs can make their own private functions /APIs and apple can't know what the app is doing without souce code.
You don’t need source code to do static or dynamic code analysis. And I’m talking about devs using private Apple APIs against the agreement they acknowledged to enter the dev program.
 
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Yeah, it'd be. nice if people would let us know, so we could either help them or developers here could create something.

Example
Recently found an app, Crystal Defenders, on an older Android. I remember playing this on an iPhone.
So I dropped into the App Store and started typing it in. It came up as an option in the search list so I clicked it. A number of pages later I never did find it. Found all kinds of crap, most which had nothing to do with that type of game.

Next step - Googled it. That is when I found out is was a discontinued app.
Now why couldn't the App Store tell me that instead of teasing me on and scrolling through pages.
And since it was discontinued why did it show up as a search selection?
 
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I trust apps I download from the App Store way more than I did the Google Play Store when I was on Android. Maybe it’s improved since a couple years ago, but doesn’t matter the App Store has won me over.
Agreed!

This report and even more specifics should’ve been provided by Apple in the very FIRST place since the first court case backlash occurred!!


More over to your post every time I’ve flirted with Android since LG’s Nexus 4 (great looking design honestly), and Sony’s Xperia Z5/Z5 Compact and tempted by Xperia 1 mIII/IV … having Apps you want to work properly work on all models in android despite manufacturer or OS version is a difficult joke of a la Ruth to comb through! Very frustrating and annoying !

This is just 1 small reason I’ll stick with iOS until it’s demise - even if iOS becomes BBOS/BB10/BlackBerryAndroid in the future (which I highly doubt).

Side loading is for those that don’t care and want iPhones to be androids just because ? and are small with some influence to government officials globally that don’t really have a clue what’s going on.
 
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I only started downloading apps a couple years ago for our daughter who is now 7 and I find the App Store mostly filled with crap and it drives me mad with all the free games that are just littered with ads and they seem to trick you into clicking the ads when close X button doesn't appear etc.

I like Apple Arcade but weirdly my daughter is drawn to the usual free games..
 
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