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Are you suggesting from this, that users wouldn’t use Google if Apple didn’t do this? Seems quite a shrewd business decision to take this money, considering
A: most people use Google anyway and
B: you are not forced to use Google.
Apple accepts the money to not build a competitor to Google's Search Engine.

It's why California and other states are investigating the matter and Apple (and Google) are going to find themselves fined in the hundreds of billions of dollars.
 
I trust apps I download from the App Store way more than I did the Google Play Store when I was on Android. Maybe it’s improved since a couple years ago, but doesn’t matter the App Store has won me over.
Agree. Google cares a lot less on what goes through their Play Store.
Case example, peer to peer lending apps in my country (basically the digital version of loan sharks, most of them are actually Chinese). Some are actually legal, but a lot are illegal. And they're all available only on Android. Google couldn't care less about their legal status (and what data they siphon off users' phones). Our government has to explicitly ask Google everytime (when there are major complaints) to shut down the illegal ones (and they always come back under a different name).

The privacy labels also helps put more trust on iOS App store.
 
Strawman, bro.
More like sarcasm. :) The truth is that the App Store currently keeps the level of malware extremely low compared to other OS’s of it’s maturity and wide distribution. The only direction malware can go from the current state is up.
 
1% of people who actually care about this will be able to turn off all of the system protections.
I agree that it would be 1%. BUT, I’d say it’s a LOT of effort go to through for 1% of people. As a business opportunity, better to just tell those folks to go buy some other system.
 
Think about it....
If Apple is required to allow sideloading, does making it difficult mean that Apple is deliberately putting roadblocks to competition in place? That is one of the questions that has come up around Googles sideloading process. Depending on the OEM it can vary by a lot in complexity and/or frustration.

Would Apple be allowed to do this?
Will Google be allowed going forward?
Sideloading is super easy on Android. Even my government can tell its citizens to do it. You don't even have to allow it beforehand. Simply host an APK on a website, and tell people to download it through a browser. Once downloaded, Android will automatically ask if the user want to allow the app (browser) to install the app. Tapping it will automatically bring user to the necessary setting page, and all that's left is just another tap to toggle the switch. Done. So basically two taps. No scary warning or whatever. This is my experience on Samsung OneUI at least, and that's the majority of Android that people uses.
 
I really see no point in expecting Apple to introduce vulnerabilities into their OS (where none existed before) and expend resources into monitoring and managing this issue, just to address an overwhelmingly niche request.

Whether I am affected by it is one issue. It just feels like a pointless distraction and waste of resources just so people can have their emulators and pirated apps.
And torrents. Seriously, the end result, like you mentioned, is simply people wanting pirated/hacked apps and torrents.
 
With millions of Apps in play, it sounds like the gates are flooded with criminals trying to slip through the cracks. It’s like a patrolman not answering cat rescue calls while being overwhelm with 5-10 robberies a shift.
Agree.
And app submission are a ton. Many people here just don't grasp the magnitude. There are so many development houses/farms in China/India/Russia/etc churning out apps by the minute. Some of it are legit (outsourced from your own country), but many more are scam/malware.
 
And torrents. Seriously, the end result, like you mentioned, is simply people wanting pirated/hacked apps and torrents.

False but nice try. Some productivity apps like Termux which provides a unix shell on Android for development requires side loading and torrents are used for legit software distribution like Ubuntu. That thinking is like banning cars since they're only used by DUIs or banning browsers since they're only used for porn.
 
Most consumers feel Apple is justified because its well known its harder to run into issues on iOS. Its the much lower risk factor that consumers like and not just marketing numbers from Apple. Its the fact that consumers do face less issues and more or less feel iOS is the most secure computing platform out there.

Oh, please. Most consumers see a phone as a phone whether iPhone or Android. The vast majority of consumers know little if anything about what the app store is or isn't beyond looking for and installing apps.
 
Oh, please. Most consumers see a phone as a phone whether iPhone or Android. The vast majority of consumers know little if anything about what the app store is or isn't beyond looking for and installing apps.
If a phone is seen just as a phone, whether it's iPhone or Android, then maybe you can help explain why is Apple selling a ton more iPhones than any Android flagships?
 
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If a phone is seen just as a phone, whether it's iPhone or Android, then maybe you can help explain why is Apple selling a ton more iPhones than any Android flagships?

What stats are you going by, your own made up ones?

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Then I suppose I will just have to settle for the next best thing - watching Apple implement said feature in a manner that technically meets the letter of the law, while making the process as cumbersome and onerous for users, and positioning themselves to lose as little as possible in the process.

Because if it’s one thing Apple values even more than money, it’s control.
Not sure about the other pieces of legislation, but the EU's contains language explicitly outlawing this.

Make no mistake about it - they've done their homework.
 
Agree. Google cares a lot less on what goes through their Play Store.
Case example, peer to peer lending apps in my country (basically the digital version of loan sharks, most of them are actually Chinese). Some are actually legal, but a lot are illegal. And they're all available only on Android. Google couldn't care less about their legal status (and what data they siphon off users' phones). Our government has to explicitly ask Google everytime (when there are major complaints) to shut down the illegal ones (and they always come back under a different name).

The privacy labels also helps put more trust on iOS App store.

What Android are you running?
 
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Sideloading is super easy on Android. Even my government can tell its citizens to do it. You don't even have to allow it beforehand. Simply host an APK on a website, and tell people to download it through a browser. Once downloaded, Android will automatically ask if the user want to allow the app (browser) to install the app. Tapping it will automatically bring user to the necessary setting page, and all that's left is just another tap to toggle the switch. Done. So basically two taps. No scary warning or whatever. This is my experience on Samsung OneUI at least, and that's the majority of Android that people uses.

Once you do it the first time Samsung is one of the easier.
 
What Android are you running?
It was a huge problem in my country in the last few years with so many illegal loanshark apps floating around, ruining many people's financials. The government had to step in and closed down a LOT of them. Still going on today, albeit less intense.
 
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Eyes opening numbers, I hope Apple won’t give up on side loading.
I hope so too. I don't want institutions (and the government) in my country starting to bypass Apple's app store for their apps. So many dodgy things how these apps are developed (outsourced to the lowest bidder in some coding farm in India/China/Russia).
 
I don't see it as bragging. It's more about informing people, including customers (current and potential), about the wide range risks that are out there. And what the company they entrust with their privacy/security is doing about it.

Nothing wrong with that. Hat tip to Apple and its employees.
 
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Then I suppose I will just have to settle for the next best thing - watching Apple implement said feature in a manner that technically meets the letter of the law, while making the process as cumbersome and onerous for users, and positioning themselves to lose as little as possible in the process.

Because if it’s one thing Apple values even more than money, it’s control.
I think if we check the Play Store, that's pretty much what Google does.
 
I'm sure the timing of this press release (let's call a spade, a spade) has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that congress is looking at possibly forcing Apple to open up their devices to third-party app stores.

Really? Apple would be derelict not informing elected officials what's at stake.
 
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Also, couldn’t another third party also moderate?
What’s the incentive for any 3rd party to spend as much money and staff time as Apple, looking deeply into a vast number of apps for potential security and fraud issues?

Apple can spend many many $millions, as this makes lots of customers feel more comfortable pumping $Billions into app purchases.
 
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