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You don't need to use those other App Stores, so what's the problem? You wanna stick with the Apple App Store, just do it. No downside for you.

When this eventually leads to alternate stores the likes of Epic, Steam, Amazon, Microsoft, Meta will open their own and begin to pull their apps off the Apple store and pay other devs for exclusive distribution rights via those alt stores. Simple concept really. No one has done it yet because they would have only had the Android side. Once they can offer a store for "all" mobile apps they will.

So please stop saying the Apple App store will remain as it, it won't.
 
you do know they do this right? Walmart? oh not tide, but they do set up exclusive contracts to squeeze smaller vendors. happens all the time. Walmart does not play nice, but people support them in the name of cheaper prices. Then wonder why local shops are put out business. oops.

There is an entire official government system set up to ensure that 90% of the shelf space for beer is Budweiser swill, specifically to crowd out the market for alternatives. Sales can be an ugly business, retail doubly so.
 
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Wonder how that will work for people like me that have an US iCloud account but a German AppleID for the Store

You might get either the best of both worlds or the worst of both worlds. Let us know after the change.

My opinion: competition is always good. When there is no competition, there is exploitation of consumers.

On our Macs, we have the ability to buy from the Apple Mac App Store, direct from the developers, from various third parties, etc. In general our Macs possess the same keychains, etc as our iDevices. The world does not end because we have freedom to buy apps from about anywhere for our Macs. Our bank accounts have not been emptied. Our houses have not be sold right out from under us. This will be the same... but only for EU consumers.

EU people who like the "as is" or worry about the doom scenarios can keep buying exclusively from the Apple App Store, exactly as they do now. This doesn't force them to change from where they get iDevice apps.

Those wanting to buy directly from the developer or from a third party app bundler will have such options too. Those who want to buy apps that Apple has decided are not going to be permitted in the App Store will be able to buy them too. As an American, I will envy the great freedom the EU consumers will have in buying any software they want at market competitive pricing from wherever they want to get it.

Will some people in the EU install malware because of this greater freedom of choice? Yes... just as some people with Macs install malware. Is everyone in the EU doomed because of this? No... no more than everyone with Macs all over the planet are not doomed by buying Mac apps from wherever we get them other than the Apple App Store.

Apple doesn't like this mostly because it endangers their very steep "30% right off the top" cut of nearly 100% of app sales. That is very lucrative cash made mostly on the sweat & efforts of third party app developers. Since Apple doesn't like it, fans are quick to spin all kinds of rationale in support of Apple. But much like iPhones having to go USB-C, all this "doom/disaster/all phones bricked/malware for all/etc" will be about as non-event as "lint magnet, broken tongues, wobbly USB-C ports" were with the new iPhone. Fans will make it sound like an end-of-the-world cataclysm for the EU... and then it will transition... and there will only be occasional incidents of actual issues caused by it... like the occasional post of iPhone hogging up all of that lint, wobbly or broken tongues.
 
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You literally just took the only walled garden choice away you reduced choice not increased it totally selfish

I do see the point of this argument but it’s still not taken away. They just split the garden in two.

Apple is not going to let the garden go without a major fight. It’s sad that the entire focus seems to be far more about money than actual software freedom.
 
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You literally just took the only walled garden choice away you reduced choice not increased it totally selfish

Naa, you can still buy in a walled garden. Here you go.

 
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I don’t think that is going to change. Apple still controls what software can run and what it can do.

I hope I’m wrong. But I won’t believe it until I see an emulator running on a non-jailbroken iPhone.
Yeah I wouldn’t expect the software you can run on your phone to change, just where you can get it from.
 
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Since consumers don't have that power, I'm glad the (EU) government stepped in.
um. So you admit your analogy doesn't hold water?

Consumers had all the power they needed. They don't like the secured garden? go android. that's called choice. If enough people did that, Apple would change their ways. Thats how market force works.

Government Officials stepping in are not doing it for you, they are doing it for themselves to get re-elected, because there are a lot of people that want something for nothing, and this appeals to them.
 
That would only fit in Apple sold only its own Apps in the Appstore.

It's more along the lines of Walmart saying to Tide than you can't sell your products at Target, or any other store.
An even better analogy going along with the Tide reference - LG/Samsung/Whirlpool/Maytag home appliances says you can only use laundry detergent purchased through them in your washing machine.
 
um. So you admit your analogy doesn't hold water?

Consumers had all the power they needed. They don't like the secured garden? go android. that's called choice. If enough people did that, Apple would change their ways. Thats how market force works.

Government Officials stepping in are not doing it for you, they are doing it for themselves to get re-elected, because there are a lot of people that want something for nothing, and this appeals to them.

I don't admit anything.

What I support is people being able to do what they want, when they want, and how they want, with hardware they buy, and no company being allowed to prevent it.
 
I love a government telling me what I can and cannot buy.
You mean in contrast to a billion dollar company telling you what you can or cannot buy?

The EU regulation gives you the freedom of choice. That's a bad thing to you?

I bought an iPhone, in large part, for the security and convenience of all apps coming from a single verifying source.
And guess what: you still will be able to. The alternative app stores are an option.
 
I’m sorry guys but the EU regulations are mostly really dumb, this one included.

EU regulators either:
A) Don’t fully understand the bad long term implications this move will bring to iPhone users in terms of security and ease of use of their phones.
B) Succumbed to the bribes of major corporations that are looking into forcing consumers to use an alternate app store and paying method to make more money.

No sane iPhone user, inside or outside the EU, has ever asked for this. This move only shifts more of the profit margins from Apple to other large corporations and achieves nothing good for the user.

I hate the EU.

Written by an EU citizen.
 
My opinion: competition is always good. When there is no competition, there is exploitation of consumers.
This is not competition, this is a mandated force of no competition. You used to be able to chose between a closed down system (iOS) and a fully open system (Android). On Android you are REQUIRED to run Antivirus and AntiMalware software otherwise your device will be riddled with it.

I DO NOT want to NEED to do that on my iPhone!
 
Good on the EU for standing up for consumers over companies/profits! 👏🏻 We (US) have completely succumbed to corporate control and profit over absolutely everything else.
No corporate control in the US. You can choose not to buy an iPhone or not to purchase anything from the App Store. What these freeloading developers do not know is they still way pay one way or another. The first line of attack will be having to pay licensing fees to use the Apple owned API's built into their products. There is no other way to create native iPhone apps without using their compiler. Some think this universal development tools that work on all platforms are just as good, but anyone can tell the difference.

The greatest thing about the 3rd party App Store is that 99%+ of their customers will use it especially when they find out they have to give CC info to another company and most likely give up some of the best features of the App Store (security, ease of downloading, single payment method, easy refunds, and click to quit subscriptions).
 
EU: It’s unfair that only McDonalds gets to sell the Big Mac. McDonald’s must allow it to be sold in Burger Kings and Taco Bell too.

I’m constantly in awe of how absolutely stupid EU regulators are. Somehow they manage to be worse than America.
It’s a bad example. Nothing is stopping Burger King from making a Big Mac and they do in fact offer one called Big King.

Because they still have access to all of the ingredients required to do it.

A better analogy would be to say that McDonald’s could be the only one to do a Big Mac because they’re the only ones that have access to ground beef patties, which would be fundamental in making a burger.
 
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On Android you are REQUIRED to run Antivirus and AntiMalware software otherwise your device will be riddled with it.

Stop, just stop. My wife has been running Android for a decade and she has never installed anything outside of the Play store, and has never ran any antivirus/malware apps, and has never needed to. She has never so much as had a surprise pop-up outside the browser.

If you can't support your argument without making stuff up, then you have no argument.
 
No one was stopping you from buying an Android this entire time.

You chose to embrace the walled garden by buying Apple. Now all of us are going to be forced to endure multiple different app sources with varying and unknown security.
So, the "walled garden" is the only argument for Apple's iPhones? That would be rather pathetic, don't you think?
 
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On our Macs, we have the ability to buy from the Apple Mac App Store, direct from the developers, from various third parties, etc. In general our Macs, possess the same keychains, etc as our iDevices. The world does not end because we have freedom to buy apps from about anywhere for our Macs. This will be the same... but only for EU consumers.

EU people who like the "as is" can keep buying exclusively from the Apple App Store. I will envy the great freedom the EU consumers will have in buying any software they want at market competitive pricing from wherever they want to get it.



Apple doesn't like this mostly because it endangers their very steep "30% right off the top" cut of all app sales.



For some apps, there isn't an option to buy exclusively from the app store. Matter of fact it's impossible to buy from the Apple app store at all.
 
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No corporate control in the US. You can choose not to buy an iPhone or not to purchase anything from the App Store. What these freeloading developers do not know is they still way pay one way or another. The first line of attack will be having to pay licensing fees to use the Apple owned API's built into their products. There is no other way to create native iPhone apps without using their compiler. Some think this universal development tools that work on all platforms are just as good, but anyone can tell the difference.

The greatest thing about the 3rd party App Store is that 99%+ of their customers will use it especially when they find out they have to give CC info to another company and most likely give up some of the best features of the App Store (security, ease of downloading, single payment method, easy refunds, and click to quit subscriptions).

If I can't do what I want when I want and how I want, with hardware I buy, then I am being controlled.

Simple.
 
You mean in contrast to a billion dollar company telling you what you can or cannot buy?

The EU regulation gives you the freedom of choice. That's a bad thing to you?


And guess what: you still will be able to. The alternative app stores are an option.

YOU USED to have a choice between an OPEN system (Android) and a CLOSED system (iOS) the EU is TAKING THAT CHOICE AWAY!!!
 
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