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App Store to Be 'Split in Two' Ahead of EU iPhone Sideloading Deadline

That was what I was thinking. How are they going to implement the side loading without making it complicated. There are going to be "Apple App Store" and "Community App Store" where people host the app themself. And let the community rate if the apps are genuine or not. Kinda smart.
 
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SanderEvers said:
This is not competition, this is a mandated force of no competition. You used to be able to chose between a closed down system (iOS) and a fully open system (Android). On Android you are REQUIRED to run Antivirus and AntiMalware software otherwise your device will be riddled with it.

I DO NOT want to NEED to do that on my iPhone!
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Then don't do it. If Apples store is the best way for you to get apps, keep getting them that way. This doesn't take away the Apple store, just adds other ways to buy apps for iDevices. Anyone happy with "as is" can completely stick with the "as is" way of acquiring apps.

For people who would like nearly all 100% of the price they pay for an app to go to the developer, they can buy direct from the developer... as I've done many times when buying apps for my Mac. No problems. No consequences. Apple doesn't get 30% right off the top of those sales... but then again, Apple didn't code the app either. When possible, I'd rather the "starving artist" who actually makes the "art" to get the bulk of the money, instead of the thoroughly rich retailer who doesn't really need a first 30% of every sale to continue being thoroughly successful and rich.

For EU consumers, this gives them such choices. For the rest of us, one sole retailer controls 100% of all apps we can buy for OUR product... and is first in line at the profit slicing in each transaction... even ahead of the creator of the app themselves.
 
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I hope a bit of competition gets Apple to invest a bit more into its App Stores. I still mourn the loss of wishlists.

I look at Steam and think it's a great example of the kinds of things Apple could do - better review system, better discoverability (this is key), community interactions, better preview media, clear what is DLC, etc.

Apple's App Store isn't going anywhere due to inertia and being pre-installed, but if Apple allows its store front to continue to stagnate then someone else will eat some of its lunch.
 
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CarAnalogy said:
There is an entire official government system set up to ensure that 90% of the shelf space for beer is Budweiser swill, specifically to crowd out the market for alternatives. Sales can be an ugly business, retail doubly so.
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I'll extend your point. With the EU thinking is it fair that Walmart can buy a 6-pack of Budweiser for $2, but the local grocer has to pay $3 a 6-pack. That is where this all ends up.
 
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HobeSoundDarryl said:
Then don't do it. If Apples store is the best way for you to get apps, keep getting them that way.

For people who would like nearly all 100% of the price they pay for an app to go to the developer, they can buy direct from the developer... as I've done many times when buying apps for my Mac. No problems. No consequences.
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Until developers of important apps start removing their apps from the App Store. Like, for example, Meta with Whatsapp (which is the most use messaging software in the EU).
 
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Number 41 said:
I love a government telling me what I can and cannot buy.

I bought an iPhone, in large part, for the security and convenience of all apps coming from a single verifying source.

Now it’s going to become the same Balkanized nonsense that Android is.

Thanks, Europe.
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100%! This is a huge mistake. It’s kind of disgusting that the EU can demand things of American companies. Apple shouldn’t have to change their phone or operating system for another region.
 
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iLoveDeveloping said:
100%! This is a huge mistake. It’s kind of disgusting that the EU can demand things of American companies. Apple shouldn’t have to change their phone or operating system for another region.
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Apple is welcome to not sell there if they don't like the terms. If you operate or sell on another countries border, you operate under their rules.

Do you get to follow American law when you visit another country, while ignoring their laws?
 
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icanhazmac said:
When this eventually leads to alternate stores the likes of Epic, Steam, Amazon, Microsoft, Meta will open their own and begin to pull their apps off the Apple store and pay other devs for exclusive distribution rights via those alt stores. Simple concept really. No one has done it yet because they would have only had the Android side. Once they can offer a store for "all" mobile apps they will.

So please stop saying the Apple App store will remain as it, it won't.
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It will not matter as these App developers in the other stores will not be $99 for development kit and they will be paying licensing fees for using the API to iOS which Apple owns 100%. We will also see more of Apple only features. Everyone must remember that while you own the phone you do not own the operating system. You have a license to use it with your phone but that is it. Every software product you have is licensed so no software is owned.

By the way all of the stores you mention are not free in any sense. You are either selling your customers data or paying a licensing fee to participate on the platform. At least in the App Store the customer is choosing to pay and not being the product.
 
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trip1ex said:
For some apps, there isn't an option to buy exclusively from the app store. Matter of fact it's impossible to buy from the Apple app store at all.
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Yep, so now there will be an option for EU consumers to consider and acquire such apps if they want them. Seems like a positive for EU consumers to me. Let computing device owners choose the apps they want to buy instead of a big corp deciding for them. However, those who still prefer the big corp policing their options, that ability to still do business only through the App Store will remain.

The crowd arguing for only Apple can continue to support only Apple App Store. A segment of the global population that would like to also consider offers from other sources- such as direct from software developers- will have the ability to buy direct too. Again, this American feels envy for that freedom to choose.
 
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SanderEvers said:
Until developers of important apps start removing their apps from the App Store. Like, for example, Meta with Whatsapp (which is the most use messaging software in the EU).
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They don’t do that on Android and that has allowed side loading for years.

Most of the things meta wants is OS level controlled things any how. Not App Store related.

For example the advertising id is OS level control and the App Store has zero to do with the tracking part so no changes there.

This just removes some of the false sense of security the App Store brings. The best defense is always your brain and judgement.

Also side loading does not affect you if you choose not to use it.
 
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It will not matter as these App developers in the other stores will not be $99 for development kit and they will be paying licensing fees for using the API to iOS which Apple owns 100%. We will also see more of Apple only features. Everyone must remember that while you own the phone you do not own the operating system. You have a license to use it with your phone but that is it. Every software product you have is licensed so no software is owned.
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Cool. Apple can give me the hardware with no OS licensed by them, then.

I'm sure some Linux devs would love to have a blank iPhone as their disposal.
 
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CarAnalogy said:
I don’t think that is going to change. Apple still controls what software can run and what it can do.

I hope I’m wrong. But I won’t believe it until I see an emulator running on a non-jailbroken iPhone.
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An emulator doesn’t perform any unusual operations that other apps don’t also do. Maybe they can’t do JIT compilation, but most emulators don’t do that anyway AFAIK. This is mainly just Apple banning a certain type of application, like they ban porn apps.
 
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So what, is the second App Store is just a button that runs the following Terminal command;

sudo spctl --master-disable

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Robert.Walter said:
This will compromise iPhone security.

Some apps will not submit to the App Store in order to drive all sales to their outside store to increase profits.

Others apps will stay outside to avoid Apple review process. Bugs and deliberate surveillance will run rampant.

Fake apps will proliferate outside with no oversight.

Welcome to your diminished privacy and acct security world.

Big mistake EU. Big.
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Don't be fooled - this is a problem Apple created in the first place.
 
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If you asked me if this is a right move 8 yers ago? I said no, cause I trust Apple protects us from malicious apps or spam ads. Nowadays Apple App Store is on the same, if not worse level of experience, as the Android App Store. Full of crap apps, with bloated malware and ads with subscription fees of 50 dollars per month.
 
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Number 41 said:
EU: It’s unfair that only McDonalds gets to sell the Big Mac. McDonald’s must allow it to be sold in Burger Kings and Taco Bell too.
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Not the same, McDonalds doesn’t have a store that sells other people’s product.

Your comparison is flawed, like you didn’t understand the difference sorry.

Do you only use Mac OS app that are in the Mac app store? Most likely not (unless you have a very small app collection) you downloaded some apps and bought others outside of it.
That’s what’s gonna happen, on the iPhone.
 
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