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& in one fell swoop, Apple just took every third party wireless charger out of the iPhone 12 owners consideration...

Is this even legal or are they taking advantage of the unregulated wireless charging product industry?

What? My 5w and 7.5w wireless chargers from yesteryear (Anker) work just fine with my 12 Pro... What are you talking about?

I actually prefer the older wireless chargers cuz they don't get as hot.

Several people with access to basic gear have already disproven the OP in this thread...
 
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If anything, Apple is going to create a run on these power meters

If Apple wanted to be environmentally friendly - they should have sent those hand cranked 1amp chargers - instead of loading the grid with millions of 20w chargers! <cough> (yes I'm being a little sarcastic). lol.

I actually have a hand crank 1amp USB charger. It is amazing how much energy is required to do that for 30 mins. lol.
 
So what is the TL;DR? Does any 20W PD USB-C charger give 15W via MagSafe? (IE something like the Anker Nano?)

I'd prefer to give Anker my $20 to help in Apple's goal to "save the environment."
 
So what is the TL;DR? Does any 20W PD USB-C charger give 15W via MagSafe? (IE something like the Anker Nano?)

I'd prefer to give Anker my $20 to help in Apple's goal to "save the environment."

TLDR: Other YouTubers found that you can get 15w on MagSafe with other chargers. If your phone is near 37C-40C it will slow down the charge to 10W or less.
 
Good news. Bought one of these for just under a tenner and happy to report it’s giving me the full 15W

Spigen PD 27W Fast USB C Charger, Compatible with iPhone 12 Pro Max Mini SE 2020 11 X XS XR 8 Plus iPad Air Pro Galaxy S20 Ultra FE Note 20 10 Pixel 5 4 Nintendo Type C Plug 20W Charging Wall Adapter https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07T634V26/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_MvjMFb1ASRM4C
 
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Good news. Bought one of these for just under a tenner and happy to report it’s giving me the full 15W

Spigen PD 27W Fast USB C Charger, Compatible with iPhone 12 Pro Max Mini SE 2020 11 X XS XR 8 Plus iPad Air Pro Galaxy S20 Ultra FE Note 20 10 Pixel 5 4 Nintendo Type C Plug 20W Charging Wall Adapter https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07T634V26/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_MvjMFb1ASRM4C


Sorry spoke too soon, it’s now lowered to 6W.
Really weird, started real fast but after 10 mins.. slow.
Apple are doing something here
 
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Sorry spoke too soon, it’s now lowered to 6W.
Really weird, started real fast but after 10 mins.. slow.
Apple are doing something here

Full charging only occurs like 20-60% from what I've seen. I've seen some say 20-40%. Also, if the phone gets anywhere near 37C and higher, it reduces the charge significantly to keep the battery from getting too hot.

80%+ and you'll see a large drop all the way to single watt digits at 90%+.
 
It seems the consensus on Reddit is that you need a charger that supports 9V 2.22A output if you want full speed charging for an iPhone 12 or MagSafe Charger. I've scoured the internet and have found some that should work:
Of these, I purchased the RAVPower because it seems to be the only charger available anywhere, including from Apple themselves, that supports max charging speeds for iPhone 12, MagSafe, and iPads. None of the other chargers that support max speeds for iPhone 12 and MagSafe also support max speed for iPads. Plus, it has a USB A port for Apple Watch and any older cables or devices you may have. I just wish it came in white.
 
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Full charging only occurs like 20-60% from what I've seen. I've seen some say 20-40%. Also, if the phone gets anywhere near 37C and higher, it reduces the charge significantly to keep the battery from getting too hot.

80%+ and you'll see a large drop all the way to single watt digits at 90%+.
As you can see, started off well then dropped off.

ok Apple you win, I’ll. buy your damn plug
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What? My 5w and 7.5w wireless chargers from yesteryear (Anker) work just fine with my 12 Pro...
Your key points there are 5w & 7.5w.

What I meant was that if iPhone 12 owners want wireless charging at decent speeds (15w or above), then they'll need to buy the Apple 20w brick together with the MagSafe charger (or another supported charger by one of the other few select brands).
 
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Your key points there are 5w & 7.5w.

What I meant was that if iPhone 12 owners want wireless charging at decent speeds (15w or above), then they'll need to buy the Apple 20w brick together with the MagSafe charger (or another supported charger by one of the other few select brands).

My bad, I should have known. We are in a wireless thread after all :).
 
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So you need to buy the 20 watt charging brick, to plug in your magsafe charger, which ultimately charges slower than the 20 watt charger when wired? Seems more logical to just use the usb-c cable provided with the 12 and combine it with the 20w brick.
Which is probably why they included the cable, so as not to force you into using the optional MagSafe.
 
Obviously, the reviews and tests are still coming in but according to some early tests they suggest only Apple’s 20 watt charger will get you the full 15 watt MagSafe “fast” charge. I’ve seen a lot of reviewers suggesting that you can purchase a cheaper 20 watt charger, as they say, “link in the description” to save some money but if these initial tests are true that certainly raises some questions. The first two that come to mind are:

1. Was this really about the environment or truly, as it is starting to feel to me, a money grab? Again, if true, why lock it down in this way?
2. The belief that Apple’s 20 watt charger is the only charger than can provide the full 15 watt MagSafe charge feels ani-competitive

Who elses uses a lightning cable?
Who else used a 30pin before that?
Who else used MagSafe 1 connector?
Magsafe 2 connector?

This company has a fairly long history of propriatary cables for certain devices. It's a thing.

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Making the iPhone box smaller is so they can get more iPhones shipped per pallet and maximize cost overall.
So a first time buyer has to then buy a charging brick of any kind. Another package.
A first time buyer has to buy some level of wireless headphones or lightning cables. Another package.

Apple claims green, they just see green. It's ok, it is just what Apple does, many people turn a blindseye to it until the moment it effects them.

What magsafe is... is a neat way to align the wireless charging coils.Pretty much it. And for me that's ok.
I like how my watch essentially snap together, I know it's charging. My phone on a flat panel on the other hand, I might lay it down right the first time...well how about the 2nd time...3rd? ...there we go it's charging...i think?.no, yeah, yeah its good.
 
Your key points there are 5w & 7.5w.

What I meant was that if iPhone 12 owners want wireless charging at decent speeds (15w or above), then they'll need to buy the Apple 20w brick together with the MagSafe charger (or another supported charger by one of the other few select brands).

For the time being, that is the proven solution.

However, recall that at one time, Apple's 2.1A, then 2.4A adapters were the fastest form of wired USB charging on the market, but initially only supported by Apple's own, and select 3rd party adapters.

At the time, the USB governing group did not see the potential in USB as a power delivery solution, and the power standards in the USB spec were rather limited, since it was envisioned as a data conduit, not a power conduit.

Before its portable devices moved to USB, the OG iPod and 2G had a FireWire interface that handed both data and charging. FW, being a robust, heavy-duty spec (that deserved a better fate) was capable of supplying a max of 45W, at 30V, with variability. The relatively small battery didn't call for that kind of power, so the supplied adapter was sized at 12W (1A), which was more than adequate to provide a good UX (80% charge in 1 hr, 3 hrs full).

The iPod later transitioned entirely to USB with the 4G, and was given 5W adapters, which doesn't sound like much today, but was adequate and pretty much the norm at the time, as well as resting within the confines of the USB spec.

Those needs changed when the iPad, with its large battery, appeared. The prospect of charging a ~25+ Wh battery at 5W (do the math) was not an enticing proposition or good UX, then, or now, so Apple needed a solution with higher power capacity.

So, Apple being Apple, it came up with its own twist, a 10W, then a 12W adapter with its own coding, to meet its needs.

There was little, if any, 3rd party support for Apple 2.1/2.4 in the beginning, but eventually, that changed as the market adapted, and it became ubiquitous, despite, to my knowledge, never being made an official part of the USB spec.

Apple's history has shown that it has shown no hesitance to make deviations from standards when it believes it will benefit its users. Apparently, few can answer MagSafe's specific equest for 2.22A at the moment, but that will change, and more options will appear, just as they have for 30-pin cables, Lightning cables, and so on. This is just the beginning for the MagSafe ecosystem, and users will probably be fine.

It should be noted that Apple is not alone in deviating from industry standards, when it comes to faster charging solutions.

Those who don't want to risk cuts or receive surprises should stay away from the bleeding edge. Apple's knives can be pretty sharp.
 
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So Apple removes chargers from the iPhone 12 packaging to save the planet, then sells a MagSafe charger that appears to be only partially compatible with third party chargers (that have plenty of power otherwise), leading to third party charger makers to make new 'compatible' chargers, leading to consumers purchasing new chargers that would have otherwise been unnecessary? 🤷‍♂️
 
So Apple removes chargers from the iPhone 12 packaging to save the planet, then sells a MagSafe charger that appears to be only partially compatible with third party chargers (that have plenty of power otherwise), leading to third party charger makers to make new 'compatible' chargers, leading to consumers purchasing new chargers that would have otherwise been unnecessary? 🤷‍♂️
You couldn’t make it up.
Thanks to Apples ‘environmental stance’ I’ve bought a MagSafe charger, tossed my iPhone 11 pro’s 18w charger (because it’s too slow), bought a 27W anker charger, had to return that because it won’t charge the iPhone 12 at 15 W and now have to order the new apple 20W plug.

What makes all of those worse is that Apple are very deliberately throttling 3rd party chargers that have more than enough power.
 
You couldn’t make it up.
Thanks to Apples ‘environmental stance’ I’ve bought a MagSafe charger, tossed my iPhone 11 pro’s 18w charger (because it’s too slow), bought a 27W anker charger, had to return that because it won’t charge the iPhone 12 at 15 W and now have to order the new apple 20W plug.

What makes all of those worse is that Apple are very deliberately throttling 3rd party chargers that have more than enough power.

What? Why toss it?! I know tons of people that could use a charger like that. College kids will gladly take this stuff.

I think several people have made it clear that higher wattage USB C PD chargers don't have a problem charging the MagSafe as long as the phone is cool.
 
You couldn’t make it up.
Thanks to Apples ‘environmental stance’ I’ve bought a MagSafe charger, tossed my iPhone 11 pro’s 18w charger (because it’s too slow), bought a 27W anker charger, had to return that because it won’t charge the iPhone 12 at 15 W and now have to order the new apple 20W plug.

What makes all of those worse is that Apple are very deliberately throttling 3rd party chargers that have more than enough power.
I myself too is on the same boat. Either I return the MagSafe chargers or I return the third party chargers... (and use either or, yet need to get the Apple adapters with MagSafe) I’m waiting to see more reviews about this first before I make my final decision.
 
For USB-C to Lightning and the 20w adapter, does anyone know if it has to be the lightning cable that comes with the 12 Pro in the box, or does any USB-C to lightning cable that supports PD charge at the 20w speed?
 
For USB-C to Lightning and the 20w adapter, does anyone know if it has to be the lightning cable that comes with the 12 Pro in the box, or does any USB-C to lightning cable that supports PD charge at the 20w speed?
It should be any USB-C lightning cable - obviously the no-name brands tend to skimp on the actual requirements. USB C cables should be able to do 60w or 100w.
 
I think several people have made it clear that higher wattage USB C PD chargers don't have a problem charging the MagSafe as long as the phone is cool.
This is not my experience, sorry. They are deliberately throttling all third party options, no matter how cool or hot the thing is running. Its okay as i've given in anyway. They win, I have ordered their damn power brick.
 
It should be any USB-C lightning cable - obviously the no-name brands tend to skimp on the actual requirements. USB C cables should be able to do 60w or 100w.
Thanks! Wasn't sure if Apple tweaked the lightning cable too and tried to slip that by. I got a 2m cable from Apple with the 20w charger.
 
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