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Apple 27" Thunderbolt Displays Shipping to Stores

isomorphic said:
The current Mac Pro does not support this display. (It looks like Apple finally removed the photos showing the display next to the Pro from their website.)

When are we getting a Mac Pro update?

I would buy two of these... if my computer supported them. I doubt there's hope of a third-party solution to add Thunderbolt display capability to old kit. I really don't want a Dell display when this 30" Cinema Display eventually dies...
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It's funny this seems like a repeat of the past. in 2009 my company bought me a new mac pro and two 24" displayport cinema displays. To everyone's surprise including our IT dept, there was no way to make this work. There was no adapter at the time, and I even went to the local apple store to talk to the guy there. We ended up returning the cinema displays and got a couple NEC monitors. Everyone involved was annoyed.

You can say I've grown bitter over the years regarding Apple's monitor lineup.
 
repoman27 said:
I'm not saying that I'm a fan of glossy displays, but most Apple gear doesn't really have glossy displays per se (i.e. a glossy coating applied to the panel), it has bare panels with big pieces of highly polished glass in front of them. If you don't mind going ghetto, you can just get some suction cups and pull the glass off of the ATD. There are also several manufactures of high-quality anti-glare films specifically designed for Apple displays. (e.g. http://www.radtech.us/Products/ClearCal-Displays.aspx) It's really not a big deal to apply your own anti-glare coating of choice, and since the vast majority of Mac owners don't seem to be bothered by the polished glass at all, it's clearly a personal preference thing. I've read of professionals who have peeled the anti-glare coating off of Dell IPS displays because they couldn't stand that either.

I'm pretty sure Jony Ive has spent more hours thinking about the design of these displays and the materials used than anyone else has about any other display on the market. So yes, it is well designed, whether or not you agree with all of his decisions.
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ive tried those anti glare films. its just not the same as matte. loses its color and sharpness.
 
I guess there will be no sub-$1000 HDTV coming from Apple if this 27" display is $999. Unless perhaps you had to sign up for a subscription upfront which is not really Apple's style.
 
lilo777 said:
Nope. [The Dell U2711 is] $854.69 on Amazon right now.
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That $854.69 price is not through Amazon or Dell but rather through a third-party seller called "wesellforless". Will Dell honor the warranty if it's bought through them? Can you buy an extended warranty?

I learned a long time ago that time is money, and for big-ticket electronics, it's better to buy from a reliable name (Apple, Dell, Amazon, etc.). If you're scraping by, I guess you can go bargain-shopping at "wesellforless".
 
repoman27 said:
I'm not saying that I'm a fan of glossy displays, but most Apple gear doesn't really have glossy displays per se (i.e. a glossy coating applied to the panel), it has bare panels with big pieces of highly polished glass in front of them. If you don't mind going ghetto, you can just get some suction cups and pull the glass off of the ATD. There are also several manufactures of high-quality anti-glare films specifically designed for Apple displays. (e.g. http://www.radtech.us/Products/ClearCal-Displays.aspx) It's really not a big deal to apply your own anti-glare coating of choice, and since the vast majority of Mac owners don't seem to be bothered by the polished glass at all, it's clearly a personal preference thing. I've read of professionals who have peeled the anti-glare coating off of Dell IPS displays because they couldn't stand that either.

I'm pretty sure Jony Ive has spent more hours thinking about the design of these displays and the materials used than anyone else has about any other display on the market. So yes, it is well designed, whether or not you agree with all of his decisions.
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I do mind going ghetto. Why on earth would I need to do all these things if I can buy monitors that do not require it?

I would not dare to say that mr. Ive does not know what he is doing, given the tremendous success of iPhone, et al.

BUT: given that so many people complain about the glossy displays I dare say that not having a matte option is a very bad decision, and if that decision has to do with the design then I dare say that this is a bad design.

Jonathan Ive can really show what he is worth by designing a monitor that also looks great with an anti-glare option. If he cannot, he is not always right.
 
kinda boring... couldn't they have built in more than a couple of new ports? maybe not an optical drive, but an apple tv, or airport base station (since it's got ethernet already)?
 
esquared said:
Still rockin' the 30" anti-glare and it looks great. Never want the shiny junk, so will have to go Dell when the time comes.
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I am still rockin' the 23" ACD at the house with my Mac Pro. I've had this display since 2006 (five years now) and it is still as crisp, vivid, bright, and vibrant as the day I bought it...I love that display!

I think it was a really poor decision on Apple's part to "streamline" and only offer one 27" external display option, and glossy at that. They should at least offer ONE matte display option...

Back in 2005-2006 they offered the 20", 23" and 30" -- they discontinued the 20" and replaced the 23" with the Glossy MiniDisplayPort 24" model, but kept the 30" for awhile. Now they have ditched the 24" AND the 30" and scaled down to only offer the 27" -- which is lower (vertical) resolution than the old 30", because it is 16:9 instead of 16:10 (the 27" is 2560x1440 while the old 30" ACD was 2560x1600)

I wish Apple would bring back the 30" and maybe offer the 24" again....1920x1200 is still a great resolution on a 24" and not everybody needs a 27" display to go with their Mac laptop or Mac Pro tower. I use the 23" with my Mac Pro everyday and think it is the perfect sized display for my needs.

I have brought this up to employees every time I go to the Apple Store. Apparently I guess it will take a mass-hundred-thousand signature user petition or something massive to get Apple's attention to this situation.

I think it is ridiculous to only offer this 27" Glossy display option given the wide range of computer options that Apple offers, and on the desktop side they even offer the small(er) screen 21.5" iMac, but as an external display, if you want an Apple-branded display NEW right now, the only option offered is that 27" one. That's why, for the price, right now, the best place to turn is eBay where you can often find the 30" ACDs still offered for $700 - $800.

And $999 is really, really high...I know it is a very nice IPS display and one of the most beautiful displays around, but for that price you could buy two similarly spec'd Dells or Samsungs.

Just my two cents.
-Ward
 
isomorphic said:
The current Mac Pro does not support this display. (It looks like Apple finally removed the photos showing the display next to the Pro from their website.)

When are we getting a Mac Pro update?

I would buy two of these... if my computer supported them. I doubt there's hope of a third-party solution to add Thunderbolt display capability to old kit. I really don't want a Dell display when this 30" Cinema Display eventually dies...
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The current Mac Pro does support this display as a *display*. Just plug the display's Thunderbolt cable into your Mini DisplayPort (they have the same connector).

You are correct that the current Mac Pro does not support the Thunderbolt docking features... but then again, if you're using a Mac Pro, you already have plenty of USB, Firewire 800, and Ethernet ports.
 
aristotle said:
LOL Wait, you are serious? I think that if you are buying something for actual "work", the last place you would deal with is amazon for hardware purchase.

Ever heard of the saying "penny wise, pound foolish"?
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Amazon has one of the most consumer friendly and easy return and DOA policies of all resellers, online and B&M. Maybe you are referring to 3rd party sellers on Amazon? I agree I'd never buy from a 3rd party reseller, but I feel completely safe buying when Amazon is the seller. My last two Macs came from Amazon.
 
K42 said:
Exactly why I am now using a Dell 27" monitor. And as long as there is no anti-glare iMac I'd rather replace my old white iMac by a mini.

If I want to see myself, I look in the mirror.

Pffff.
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For $1,000 I'd think maybe Apple could have sprung for an anti-glare coating. Who'd buy this when Others sell a monitor that has a better screen. I guess it gives yo a reason to use the TB port but that novelty where off quickly. What matters is the screen
 
I will be annoyed if they are available in store before the 2 I ordered at a minimum ship. Not sure why I'm saying that, cause Apple is really good about that. I think I'm just being impatient :)
 
Friscohoya said:
I guess there will be no sub-$1000 HDTV coming from Apple if this 27" display is $999. Unless perhaps you had to sign up for a subscription upfront which is not really Apple's style.
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Actually HDTVs are only 1920x1080 which make them a quite a bit less expensive to manufacture than a 2560x1440 display like this. Apple could do a much bigger TV at a lower price than this.
 
macrumorsuser10 said:
That $854.69 price is not through Amazon or Dell but rather through a third-party seller called "wesellforless". Will Dell honor the warranty if it's bought through them? Can you buy an extended warranty?

I learned a long time ago that time is money, and for big-ticket electronics, it's better to buy from a reliable name (Apple, Dell, Amazon, etc.). If you're scraping by, I guess you can go bargain-shopping at "wesellforless".
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If it's a legit sale, then it doesn't matter where you buy something. It's factory warranty. + $854.69 is definitely not the lowest number on the market, since it's available for € 568 (electronics are generally more expensive in europe and the taxes are (way) higher (19-21%)- for eg. : the iPod touch 64 GB costs € 409 in Belgium).

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potatis said:
kinda boring... couldn't they have built in more than a couple of new ports? maybe not an optical drive, but an apple tv, or airport base station (since it's got ethernet already)?
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I'm guessing a future update might get it's own dedicated GPU :) (when optical TB hits the market). - And what would be the use of an Apple TV in a computer display? Or an Airport card in a laptop oriented display - (unless it acts as a base station that's permanently on, but that has nothing to do with TB) ?
 
WardC said:
And $999 is really, really high...I know it is a very nice IPS display and one of the most beautiful displays around, but for that price you could buy two similarly spec'd Dells or Samsungs.
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No 27" monitor of this resolution is significantly cheaper. And you can't easily connect two cheap 24" Dell monitors to a MacBook Pro.

I agree about the lack of the matte choice. Too many people are complaining, Apple should offer it as an option.
 
macrumorsuser10 said:
That $854.69 price is not through Amazon or Dell but rather through a third-party seller called "wesellforless". Will Dell honor the warranty if it's bought through them? Can you buy an extended warranty?

I learned a long time ago that time is money, and for big-ticket electronics, it's better to buy from a reliable name (Apple, Dell, Amazon, etc.). If you're scraping by, I guess you can go bargain-shopping at "wesellforless".
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Do I really need to educate people here that unlike with Apple nobody buys PC hardware for MSRP? You can get this monitor from DELL for even less. You just might need to wait a few weeks. Here are a couple of examples of [expired] coupons that dropped the price on this monitor to:

$824.25 (link)

and even $769.30 (with free shipping) - link
 
Infrared said:
Is Mini DisplayPort dead?
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Not really, is USB 2 dead since USB 3 came around? No, plug in any USB 2 device into a USB 3 port and it behaves as it always did, same for a USB 3 device into a USB 2, still behaves as the same USB 2 port as it did before.

Same for mDP, plug any mDP (or DP, DVI, HDMI via adaptor) into a TB port (on a computer) and you will get the (m)DP signal out. Same way the other way around, plug a TB display into a mDP socket and it behaves like a (m)DP display. The only exception is the iMac-acting-as-a-(m)DP-display, that is gone and only works with TB ports.

WardC said:
if you want an Apple-branded display NEW right now, the only option offered is that 27" one.
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I wonder why an Apple-branded display is so important that it is worth getting cranky (sorry about my paraphrasing;)) about not being able to get one in your preferred size?
I must say that I am aghast that if I want an Apple-branded printer, I have to get a 10-year old box.
 
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lilo777 said:
Right, and this is why nobody buys cars for MSRP too. All those crappy BMWs and Mercedeses.
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I think it says something when the biggest PC manufacturer is thinking about exiting the PC business because the effort no longer justifies the profit margins.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20099027-64/hp-prefers-to-spin-off-pc-unit-report-says/

Combine that with other manufacturers stating that it is difficult for them to beat the prices of Apple products, such as the iPad and MacBook Air, and it looks like the PC manufacturers are going to have to make price corrections more in the direction of Apple's pricing to remain profitable.

The PC business is about profit from volume. Too many players splitting the portions of the PC sales pie has killed that profit model.

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http://www.maximumpc.com/article/ne...st_growth_ranks_top_us_pc_manufacturers_shift

It seems interesting that the only other top 5 manufacturer experiencing growth plays more in the same market segment with similar pricing as Apple.
 
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