Really? The Dell 27" IPS is only $50 less. If there is something to complain about it's that the Apple monitor isn't available w/ a matte screen. The price is in-line with similar sized/quality monitors.
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Really? The Dell 27" IPS is only $50 less. If there is something to complain about it's that the Apple monitor isn't available w/ a matte screen. The price is in-line with similar sized/quality monitors.
Only $50 less with a $150 discount.
The comparable NEC display is $1400.
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What? Nobody? Really?
If you get the NEC, you'd also want the SpectraView II calibration device with it, which is another couple of hundred bucks. But we're talking about a professional 10-bit display here that most people (even serious amateur photographers) can't take advantage of. Yet worse, OS X has no 10-bit drivers yet, so you have to use this very expensive display in 8-bit mode, which makes it somewhat of a waste of money. Only a few applications are truly 10-bit ready anyway (I think Photoshop is).
A couple of questions...
1. Can I have my MacBook Air CLOSED while it's connected to the display?
2. If the Thunderbolt display doesn't have audio out on it, is there ANY way to connect speakers to the display... maybe via USB? I already had existing speakers and don't want to toss them or have to connect them to the Air every time.
Thanks.
1. Can I have my MacBook Air CLOSED while it's connected to the display?
2. If the Thunderbolt display doesn't have audio out on it, is there ANY way to connect speakers to the display... maybe via USB? I already had existing speakers and don't want to toss them or have to connect them to the Air every time.
Thanks.
As so many others have said...U2711 for ~800.00.
(IMHO, the Dell's superior adjustment capabilities and matte coating are a worthy contender to the ACD's aluminum construction,iSight, and speakers...last two being superfluous)
Anyways, Im curious about new 27" 850 Series from Samsung...retail is 900.00, so Im hoping to see street price hit around 700.00.
Pretty fantastic specs.
http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/monitors/LS27A850DS/ZA
Good to know. Thank you.
So, 10-bit displays are a bit more future proof given all the limitations in relation to actually capitalizing on this capacity at the moment?
ACDs and ATDs use the same panel as the Dells, which are 10-bit.
So, what is the limiting factor for these Apple displays? The controller in the display (for example, NEC is 14-bit)? Software (driver)?
Then add the VESA mounting kit to your order, find a new stand that is tall enough or wall mount, and access the hidden preference in System.
Done and Done.
You just said the P-word. Security will be along shortly to ask you to leave the room!
Totally... I earn my living sitting in front of a glossy ACD and 17" MBP and wouldn't have it any other way. There are two DELL displays in our office and I would rather spoon my eyes out than use them all day.
THIS is what is majorly hacking me off about Apple at the moment; bring out a proprioritory technology, force customers to use it, then make it useless on the next generation of machines you bring out.
I love this thing but $999 I suppose is a OK price but Apple unfortunately disadvantages those who don't live in the USA..... By that I mean they don't adjust their prices to match the current exchange rate. (I do understand that they have to include shipping/freighting from USA/China which wouldn't cost more than US$60-80)
A example was mac OS X lion..... in the US it cost what 29.99 which at the time ='d ~ 25-26AUD but they sold it for 31.99 now there was no shipping/freighting costs from the US/China to Australia so I don't understand why they didn't adjust the price now since it was a few $$ I don't mind but this monitor OK.... it costs US$999 which is AU$945 (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...&gs_upl=9273l9543l0l9832l3l3l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0)
and it retails on the apple store Australia for AU$1,199 now that is a AU$254 difference..... that is enough to make it worth it for me to order one on Amazon and get it sent.
I am aware that Australia isn't the only country that has this problem but PLEASE apple our $ is stronger so like you have adjusted your app store prices, please adjust your computer prices as well.
A example was mac OS X lion..... in the US it cost what 29.99 which at the time ='d ~ 25-26AUD but they sold it for 31.99 now there was no shipping/freighting costs from the US/China to Australia so I don't understand why they didn't adjust the price now since it was a few $$ I don't mind but this monitor OK.... it costs US$999 which is AU$945 (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...&gs_upl=9273l9543l0l9832l3l3l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0)
and it retails on the apple store Australia for AU$1,199 now that is a AU$254 difference..... that is enough to make it worth it for me to order one on Amazon and get it sent.
I am aware that Australia isn't the only country that has this problem but PLEASE apple our $ is stronger so like you have adjusted your app store prices, please adjust your computer prices as well.
They can do this. They can also keep selling iMac's and displays and 13" MBPs with an utterly useless and ugly slab of glass in front of it even though matte has always worked and looked better. They can also sell those $1k displays to people (myself included) who mostly just want a daisy chain using their Thunderbolt (attach display, ethernet, FW, USB, and thunderbolt at the same time), since nobody else is making them. Why? Because the competition is sleeping and has been for a long time. And this display is not the only area in which this is the case. I could whine about flaws in several of their other products as well, but then I feel stupid whining about the only company who's at least half capable when everybody else is just living behind the moon.
Buy it at that price, while you can.
I bought my HP LP2475w H-IPS 24" display for $399 and now it runs $508.99+ at Amazon and $559 at NewEgg.
Material costs are going up, not down.
Why the hell would I buy this when I can get a the Dell U2711 which comes with HDMI, 2 DVIs, VGA, DisplayPort, Composite, Component inputs, matte screen, and the nice ergonomic adjustments.
I can plug a million devices into the monitor while if I wanted to do the same thing with the Thunderbolt Display I'd have to buy a bunch of adapters and look back at myself.
I can plug a million devices into the monitor while if I wanted to do the same thing with the Thunderbolt Display I'd have to buy a bunch of adapters and look back at myself.
Can you connect a mini displayport macbook pro to TB monitor?
I understand the reverse (display monitor to TB port) is doable but not sure about the other way around.
Seems to be a pretty big markup on the UK price .. taking the base US price of $999 and adding 20% VAT gives $1,198.80 vs UK price of $1,443.31 (based on conversation rates found on oanda.com). So that's nearly $250 on top of sales tax which seems a lot of duty/import tax!
yep, that seems to be the case with Apple lately.
Glossy displays and macPro being the last computer to get TB.
Oh boy...
As long as you don't mind its poor contrast ratio and poor backlight uniformity, it sounds like a good monitor.
So when will this have USB 3? Summer 2012?
Can the second Thunderbolt port be used as an input? I have a nice high end Dell that has display port, 2 DVI, HDMI, composite, component etc...
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The Samsung has Magic Color, and Magic Bright, whatever those marketing terms mean.
Can the second Thunderbolt port be used as an input? I have a nice high end Dell that has display port, 2 DVI, HDMI, composite, component etc...
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The Samsung has Magic Color, and Magic Bright, whatever those marketing terms mean.
Just to reiterate a couple points, while you can connect any DisplayPort 1.1a compliant display to a Thunderbolt host controller, Apple is pretty clear that the ATD must be connected to a Thunderbolt port, which makes sense when you think about it.
Thunderbolt does support bus powered devices, but the ATD requires way more than the bus can provide, and thus A/C powerdespite the lack of power cords in the glamour shots.
As for USB 3.0 being left out, some back of the envelope calculations show that the ATD with just the connections it does provide could utilize 84% of the 10 Gbps available on one Thunderbolt channel. The video signal alone requires at least 5.8 Gbps, so there wouldn't be much room to breathe if you added USB 3.0 to that pipe as well. A single USB 3.0 host controller is able to pump the better part of 5 Gbps by itself. When they eventually hit the market, you could always add a Thunderbolt to 4 port USB 3.0 adapter, which would be fine because it would utilize the second TB channel.
The complaints about the price of this device are insane when you add up the cost of the individual components in it. First we have the 27" 2560x1440 IPS display and Thunderbolt controller. Then we have a 1280x720 video camera with microphone, no biggie. Then a 2.1 speaker system with a 49 watt amp. Marinate on that oneshow me another display with a built in amp anywhere near 49 watts. Then we have 3 powered USB 2.0 ports, a FireWire 800 port and a Gigabit Ethernet port. These are not pass through ports pulled off of an attached computer, they all have their own host controllers and are hooked to the Thunderbolt controller via PCIe. And don't forget the MagSafe charger and Thunderbolt cable that come attached to the ATD. Go ahead and add up how much it would cost to buy all these things separately and get back to me.
For all y'all bitching at Apple for the steps backwards from the 30" ACD, I think the blame really has to be directed at least in part at the panel manufacturers. With the much broader consumer electronics market (televisions) demanding cheap 16:9 displays, that's exactly where they focused. The vast majority of displays on the market today, regardless of size, top out at 1920x1080. I'm pretty sure that's also why you don't see Apple making a smaller version of the ATD. There's nothing under 27" at greater than 1920x1080 and the competition in the 1920x1080 market is brutal. Who needs yet another 1920x1080 display?
For those trying to connect multiple monitors without Thunderbolt, there are several DisplayPort to 3 DVI port adapters available. So you can hook 2 or 3 DVI-D enabled displays to a Mac or PC with a single DP/MiniDP/TB port. http://i.dell.com/images/global/products/monitors/mmh11.pdf
The polished glass in front of Apple displays is just integral to the current design language. There is no way to make these devices look as attractive and seamless as they do without the full frontal glass. I recommended applying an anti-glare film, and someone quickly responded that they had tried these and that they made the screen look worse. You can imagine that Apple tried a lot of things, and in the end this was the best they could come up with. What then, is the best panel on the market with a matte finish, and does it have any glass in front of it at all? I'm pretty sure the glass adds considerably to the durability of these displays and not just to the amount of glare they produce.
Thunderbolt does support bus powered devices, but the ATD requires way more than the bus can provide, and thus A/C powerdespite the lack of power cords in the glamour shots.
As for USB 3.0 being left out, some back of the envelope calculations show that the ATD with just the connections it does provide could utilize 84% of the 10 Gbps available on one Thunderbolt channel. The video signal alone requires at least 5.8 Gbps, so there wouldn't be much room to breathe if you added USB 3.0 to that pipe as well. A single USB 3.0 host controller is able to pump the better part of 5 Gbps by itself. When they eventually hit the market, you could always add a Thunderbolt to 4 port USB 3.0 adapter, which would be fine because it would utilize the second TB channel.
The complaints about the price of this device are insane when you add up the cost of the individual components in it. First we have the 27" 2560x1440 IPS display and Thunderbolt controller. Then we have a 1280x720 video camera with microphone, no biggie. Then a 2.1 speaker system with a 49 watt amp. Marinate on that oneshow me another display with a built in amp anywhere near 49 watts. Then we have 3 powered USB 2.0 ports, a FireWire 800 port and a Gigabit Ethernet port. These are not pass through ports pulled off of an attached computer, they all have their own host controllers and are hooked to the Thunderbolt controller via PCIe. And don't forget the MagSafe charger and Thunderbolt cable that come attached to the ATD. Go ahead and add up how much it would cost to buy all these things separately and get back to me.
For all y'all bitching at Apple for the steps backwards from the 30" ACD, I think the blame really has to be directed at least in part at the panel manufacturers. With the much broader consumer electronics market (televisions) demanding cheap 16:9 displays, that's exactly where they focused. The vast majority of displays on the market today, regardless of size, top out at 1920x1080. I'm pretty sure that's also why you don't see Apple making a smaller version of the ATD. There's nothing under 27" at greater than 1920x1080 and the competition in the 1920x1080 market is brutal. Who needs yet another 1920x1080 display?
For those trying to connect multiple monitors without Thunderbolt, there are several DisplayPort to 3 DVI port adapters available. So you can hook 2 or 3 DVI-D enabled displays to a Mac or PC with a single DP/MiniDP/TB port. http://i.dell.com/images/global/products/monitors/mmh11.pdf
The polished glass in front of Apple displays is just integral to the current design language. There is no way to make these devices look as attractive and seamless as they do without the full frontal glass. I recommended applying an anti-glare film, and someone quickly responded that they had tried these and that they made the screen look worse. You can imagine that Apple tried a lot of things, and in the end this was the best they could come up with. What then, is the best panel on the market with a matte finish, and does it have any glass in front of it at all? I'm pretty sure the glass adds considerably to the durability of these displays and not just to the amount of glare they produce.
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I too would love to get one.
Can the thunderbolt iMac drive two external displays?
I too would love to get one.
Can the thunderbolt iMac drive two external displays?
Does anyone know if apart from the Thunderbolt port, if there are any other differences to the previous model?
I know about the FaceTime HD camera. I am more interested in the display itself.
I know about the FaceTime HD camera. I am more interested in the display itself.
Firewire 800 & gigabit ethernet.
Basically stuff to round out what the MBA is lacking.
If Apple was really smart they would have included a PCIe slot for a user installed GPU as well.