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Apple 2B banned from MWSF?

You people are stupid

If you actually kept up on this issue, you'd know that Apple had, up until the point where Greco went public about the move, had full support from Apple. He's no a ****ing idiot, and no, he wouldn't make a move to Boston without Apple's approval. It's obvious this is a bargaining tactic on Apple's part to get a bigger piece of the pie. In NYC, because things were so outrageously expensive, many exhibitors had to depend on Apple. Boston provides a much cheaper venue, so not as many people need Apple. Apple is just trying to get a better deal out of the move. It's not like Charlie Greco decided "Oh hey, what the ****, lets move MacWorld without Apple's consent." Like I said, if you've been reading on this issue, you'd know Greco said many times that up until the point where they went public about the official move to Boston, Apple had given him and IDG full support. Apple isn't going to pull out, it's just another PR stunt.
 
Trebek,
I agree with you that Apple new what was going on with the move. Is it a PR stunt? Maybe, Maybe not. Is Boston cheaper then NYC...yes probably. Better? Don't think so. Don't get me wrong, Boston is a great city but the idea for Apple is hype, buzz and media all of which they will get 10 fold in NYC rather then Boston also NYC bigger market share. Up until the other day NYC and Boston were in a bargining war with IDG from what I understand. IDG wants it in Boston because he is from there (rightly so). Apple may not have ever thought that Boston would have one the bargining or that they thought that the deal that Boston gave (while it was good) was not strong enough of a warrent for the move from the east coast media capital. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. I go by the rule there are 3 sides of the story, Apple, IDG and then the truth which is usally somewhere in the middle. What ever the outcome, Apple is not going to stop doing shows...(maybe they will host it themselves and run it the way they want. I do know that Apple was very pissed that in NYC last year IDG stopped people from viewing the Keynote on screens downstairs which had been the practice in the past.
Apple is doing one of the largest ad blitzs they have ever done, they certainly arn't going to retreat and stop going to shows.
 
I do not think that IDG should be moving the expo to boston. IDG is just moving because boston will offer them encentives to have the expo there. They moved it from boston because the expo outgrew the center. The expo in ny targets a far larger group, and there is no good reeason to move it other than idg wants to save money at the expense of the expo. Apple does not want to pull out of ny which is such a high profile place when they have only been there a few years.

Whoever wrote that statement at idg should be shot. Just because apple pulls out of an expo does not mean that you should threaten to force them out of other expos. It is the macworld expo! It is an expo to puch apple products and software that goes on them. If apple does not attend fewer people will come. When a company makes a statement like that they are making out of pure spite, and a statement like that should never be made public.
 
Originally posted by MacCoaster
strider42: Actually, it's Apple who are shooting themselves. Apple does not need to decide where the Expos should be, that's IDG's business. If Apple were smart enough, they would go to the Boston one as well.

It's Apple's loss, not IDG's.

Sigh. Don't we wish Steve Jobs were a lot less arrogant and a better CEO, Apple would be a lot better company these days. My god, I miss the days of pre-Steve Jobs Macintoshes (System Software 6.x, the easter eggs, Mac OS 7.6.1, etc.).
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Bull****. IDG needs Apple far more than Apple needs IDG.
 
i think apple is going to try to save some money by migrating macworlds into their stores / broadcast via webcast. It seems much more forward thinking than a big convention. It's so very "in-a-networked-world".
 
Originally posted by springscansing


Common man... the bastard saved Apple... even if he is a bastard.
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He's a bastard huh? Well you should be kissing Steve Jobs ASS mister becuase without Steve Jobs you wouldn't HAVE your beloved Mac in the first place, and without Steve Jobs, Apple would have gone out of business way back when.....
 
In a shocking development, IDG and Apple have come to a compromise, agreeing to one Macworld in South Dakota. South Dakota, although lacking any building big enough to house the expo, has agreed to let IDG take over the entire state for a one week period, and is even allowed to collect taxes from the locals. Apple has said that this was "the only equitable decision for our customers," and insists that the decision was purely based on having a meeting location equally close to both the east and west coast. Governor Bill Janklow of South Dakota declined to comment.
 
Originally posted by Vector
They did not consult apple first about the move, which greatly pissed off apple as is evident by there press release on the matter. IDG is just moving because boston will offer them encentives to have the expo there. They moved it from boston because the expo outgrew the center.
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Ok, IDG DID consult Apple before the move. Are you really that dense? Can you not read the stories that have been cropping up on the web? Apple knew IDG had wanted to move the Expo back to Boston from day 1 when they they propsed it, and IDG had Apple's approval up until Charlie Greco went public that it was official that the Expo was moving. He has stated numerous times that Apple gave Greco the OK. So please, before posting your half-wit comments, try to study up on the issue.
 
Originally posted by trebek


Ok, IDG DID consult Apple before the move. Are you really that dense? Can you not read the stories that have been cropping up on the web? Apple knew IDG had wanted to move the Expo back to Boston from day 1 when they they propsed it, and IDG had Apple's approval up until Charlie Greco went public that it was official that the Expo was moving. He has stated numerous times that Apple gave Greco the OK. So please, before posting your half-wit comments, try to study up on the issue.
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Apparently i am that dense. I have read every article i have seen, and none have said that they had apple's full support befroe idg went public. Please show me an article were greco says this because i have yet to see one. I have studied the issue using whatever articles i have seen, but none that i read say what you claim. Next time show me why i am wrong rather than attacking me for what i said.
 
Originally posted by MacCoaster

You know that the MacWorld isn't just Apple, right? They have other vendors who will go no matter if Apple isn't.

IDG doesn't do just Expos. They do a million other things. Having Apple leave MacWorld won't hurt them.
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There will still be many vendors, but i think if apple is not there then the attendance will noticably fall. IDG will be hurt if apple no longer attends because attendance will decrease and vendors will eventually leave because of that, but IDG has plenty of other business.
 
Originally posted by Vector


Apparently i am that dense. I have read every article i have seen, and none have said that they had apple's full support befroe idg went public. Please show me an article were greco says this because i have yet to see one. I have studied the issue using whatever articles i have seen, but none that i read say what you claim. Next time show me why i am wrong rather than attacking me for what i said.
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http://digitalmass.boston.com/news/2002/10/18/macworld.html
 
Oh, this is just too much stupidity!

Sorry to get in on this late and rant - but its looking like a Battle Royal (with cheese) of Egos. I just hope they can all get along and remember why they're holding an expo in the first place.....

D
 
Re: Oh, this is just too much stupidity!

Originally posted by dukestreet
Sorry to get in on this late and rant - but its looking like a Battle Royal (with cheese) of Egos. I just hope they can all get along and remember why they're holding an expo in the first place.....
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Yes. To make ****loads of money! :D
 
Re: Say What...!

Originally posted by touchsky
MacCoaster put the crack pipe down man...your destroying yourself. You need a intervention.

"Remember, most Macs used today are incapable of running Mac OS X, and 8.5 and up so they run either 7.x or 8.0/8.1."

I run a school district and I would say that schools are probably where you would find the most old Macs still being used. The oldest computers we still have in operation are a bunch of G3 all-in-one's (which run OS X great). We got rid of all of our pizza boxes and others. State law says that if the unit does not have a internal CD-ROM it can not be counted as a computer.
Are there old Macs out there in use...yes...effectivily...yes but to say that most Macs in use today are incapable of running even 8.5....put the crack pipe down...
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Sadly, I live in a county where the newest Macs for the most part are Performa 550s and the like! They are soon phasing out and going to Dell. I've been trying to find the people to convince them otherwise, but that's what's going on! And they are supposed to be one of the best school districts in the country!
 
Originally posted by MacCoaster
strider42: Actually, it's Apple who are shooting themselves. Apple does not need to decide where the Expos should be, that's IDG's business. If Apple were smart enough, they would go to the Boston one as well.

It's Apple's loss, not IDG's.

Sigh. Don't we wish Steve Jobs were a lot less arrogant and a better CEO, Apple would be a lot better company these days. My god, I miss the days of pre-Steve Jobs Macintoshes (System Software 6.x, the easter eggs, Mac OS 7.6.1, etc.).
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Don't forget, without Steve Jobs, THERE WOULDN'T BE AN APPLE!!! The guy is an excellent CEO. I'd like to see someone try to do better. Sometimes companies don't make money, and sometimes they do. You have to ride out the bad times to get to the good. People are making Apple out to be on the verge of bankruptcy, when in fact they are far from it. I met they guy at MWNY, and he wasn't arrogant at all. In fact, I found him to be one of the nicest CEO's I've ever had the pleasure of meeting. Keep up the good work Steve! And, try to get us our G5's.
 
One good reason for no more Macworlds!

Well I'm against Apple's making this move, but I can see one glimmering light on the horizon. Apple will no longer have any dates left over in which
rumor sites will be able to guess when Apple will release its next new product. Assuming IDG goes through with its threat to stop Apple from Macworld San Francisco in January, this could be in a way beneficial to Apple, because then it could release new products whenever it chooses! Including right prior to the Christmas sales season, and including right prior to the educational buying season in early summer. With the January/July schedule, Apple was stuck not being able to release all its consumer products in times for consumers to spend money on them. And then during the peak sales season consumers held off buying, knowing lower prices were just around the corner at these conferences. But many of those consumers got restless and instead of waiting, decided to buy a PC in the meantime! Free Apple from the January/July schedule entirely, and you free them to release products when it really counts! During the beginning of peak buying seasons, and not at the very end of those seasons!

Of course then Macrumors will have to guess when the next press event will be and where.

In some ways, I think Apple should ask IDG to reschedual Macworld for a November/May San Francisco/Boston. Oh and move WWDC to March!
 
I thought he dropped newton because it was a money pit and with Palms coming out they were sure to be more of a drain. :)

Just like the cube :(

I think it was a terrible move to move MacWorld back to Boston. New York just has flair, and is the town where it's at.

Oh well, we'll see in the long run.
 
Originally posted by Goblin2099
In a shocking development, IDG and Apple have come to a compromise, agreeing to one Macworld in South Dakota. South Dakota, although lacking any building big enough to house the expo, has agreed to let IDG take over the entire state for a one week period, and is even allowed to collect taxes from the locals. Apple has said that this was "the only equitable decision for our customers," and insists that the decision was purely based on having a meeting location equally close to both the east and west coast. Governor Bill Janklow of South Dakota declined to comment.
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ROTFLMAO :D
 
Either Apple will rock up to MW Boston or Macworlds will die. Apple will either hold a Stevenote at some regular time (broadcast over quicktime & satellite) or simply announce products whenever they want.

I really think that the former will happen -- Apple will turn up to Boston. They're just threatening IDG so that they get a better deal. Apple could easily run a competing SF expo at exactly the same time as MW and MW would die.

Apple & IDG will probably kiss and make up... Otherwise, kiss MWExpos goodbye
 
Originally posted by GPTurismo
I thought he dropped newton because it was a money pit and with Palms coming out they were sure to be more of a drain. :)

Just like the cube :(
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Nope, they spun the Newton group off into Newton Inc. It was just starting to turn sequential profit (probably because PDAs were starting to catch on by then) when Jobs returned and killed it.

Jobs was ousted from Apple originally by John Scully in a corporate coup of sorts. And Newton was Scully's brainchild. Jobs killed it because of hard feelings.

The PDA wars are still far from over. And at that point in time, Newton was just as viable a contender as Palm (and much moreso than Windows CE). Newton OS is still years ahead of anything on the market. I think what Jobs did (killing a subsidiary that was finally making money for Apple) was pathetic.

I like Jobs vision but I don't think he's necessarily a great businessman. But he's got a great team and I think he's a good leader. I credit Apple's revival much more to Johnathan Ives and Avie Tevanian than I do to Jobs. Funny too because Apple was just ranked as having one of the top five WORST boards of directors in the country (along with Gap, who Jobs was also a board member). And he was also last years highest compensated CEO. The amount he got in "executive compensation" was more money than Apple lost this last quarter.
 
Originally posted by j763
Either Apple will rock up to MW Boston or Macworlds will die. Apple will either hold a Stevenote at some regular time (broadcast over quicktime & satellite) or simply announce products whenever they want.
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I think Apple would be better off blowing off MWSF and Boston, and introducing new products when they're ready and people will buy them. Introducing new consumer-targeted products at MWSF, just a little too late for anyone to get them for Christmas, doesn't seem brilliant to me--either Thanksgiving or right before back to school buying season are better times for that.
 
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