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Apple Accuses DOJ of Wanting Amazon to Have 'Significant Competitive Advantage'

Apple is right. The first element to a successful administrative case against the government is a finding of arbitrary and capricious. DoJ just handed that to Apple on a silver platter.

As for Obama, he is a politician. He talks sweet nothings, asks for your support, drinks your booze, then fines the crap out of you and says, "he couldn't help it", the other part of the government did that. The other part of the executive branch! Then keeps the money!
 
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Renzatic said:
Yeah, it's pretty arbitrary. I could buy tons of ebooks on Amazon and download them to the Kindle app on my iPad, and Apple doesn't get a dime. But if I want to do the same thing through the app, Apple charges developers and services a 30% cut.

It doesn't make any sense. How is buying through an app any different than getting it off the webpage?
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Because your making money of someone's else portal that they created. Sort of like when sales person works with a customer for awhile and then another sales person comes in an snakes the deal away.
 
itr81 said:
Because your making money of someone's else portal that they created. Sort of like when sales person works with a customer for awhile and then another sales person comes in an snakes the deal away.
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If you're gonna talk about portal, at least understand that the portal is the OS. The app is just software inside the OS. Both the app and the web browser (just another app) are just software in iOS. There is nothing that distinguishes one from the other. Why do service providers have to pay for selling through the app, but not the web browser? In both cases, they are selling a service through iOS that has nothing to do with Apple. And its not like Apple got nothing. They got an OS with lots of apps. Or do you think they would sell as well with no third party services at all?
 
itr81 said:
Because your making money of someone's else portal that they created. Sort of like when sales person works with a customer for awhile and then another sales person comes in an snakes the deal away.
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I think this is where most people get mixed up, confusing the platform for the app store. The iPad is no different from a Windows machine or a Mac. When you're running Kindle on OSX, Amazon isn't sneaking into Apple's store and stealing their customers. They're offering up another storefront for certain goods and services on Apple's platform. Like I've been saying previously, Apple doesn't owe MS anything because they're offering people iTunes on Windows, so why should Amazon, Netflix, MS, and the rest owe Apple for doing the same thing?

Keep in mind that 3rd party services make the platform more appealing to customers. There are some people out there who bought an iPad to read their Kindle books on. If they didn't have that option, they might've gone with an Android tablet. There are probably even more people who like watching Netflix on the iPad. If Netflix wasn't on the iPad, then...well...they'd probably go with Android.

Third party services aren't leeches greedily sucking the lifeblood from Apple's customer base. It's very much a mutually beneficial affair. Apple provides a popular platform for 3rd parties to make money off of, and 3rd parties make the platform more appealing by offering more options.

Now I agree that Apple deserves a cut for any service they provide. Hosting on the app store? They should get their 30% cut. Same with any hosting or payment processing fees. But when it comes to the service itself, Netflix's subscription fees, Kindle's books sold off their own servers using their own bandwidth, things Apple has no part of, they don't deserve a dime. Like if Zynga uses the app store servers and payment setup for their IAPs, then Apple gets their 30%. For something like Netflix, not so much.
 
MacRumors said:
In the proposal, the DOJ aimed to provide support for its argument that Apple should be forced to allow e-book retailers like Amazon and Barnes & Noble to place links to their respective bookstores within their App Store apps. Apple is opposed to the idea, as it would give Amazon a way to sell books within its App Store apps while avoiding paying Apple a 30% cut of the proceeds.
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Wouldn't this also allow the book publisher large or small just to create there own app with either their own store or an Apple hosted IAP store. Apple could in iOS8 overhaul Newsstand to two folders back to back one holds easy access to content from stores that are on the back folder.
 
the8thark said:
The political debate started with the original MR article. If you don't want political debate, read other articles.
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No, the original article discussed the DOJ, and the punishment it is seeking (and its motivations thereof). It is a legal issue/story, not a political one. And more to the point... i cannot read "other articles" to avoid political debate... when my point was that political debate seems to spring up at the most random of times.
 
charlituna said:
Which is part of why Apple is appealing. The question of bias needs to be addressed.
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Appeal has nothing to do with any imaginary bias of the judge

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John.B said:
This was the same judge who predetermined the trial's outcome before a single shred of evidence was presented in court. What a sham.
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People has explained to you some times that your claim is wrong but don't let reality break your dreams
 
Don't really feel bad for Apple one bit.
Apple supports progressive politicians which then use progressive policies and progressive tactics to punish Apple.
Cry me a river. Apple has the government it supports.
 
charlituna said:
Sorry but no. Those two, especially Borders were dead in the water way before Apple came in the picture.
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Then how B&N said in 2.010 before the iPad was presented that they gained a 20% of ebook market share in just a year?

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itr81 said:
Because your making money of someone's else portal that they created. Sort of like when sales person works with a customer for awhile and then another sales person comes in an snakes the deal away.
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Can you tell me the difference between buying from the Amazon app and buying from the Kindle app?
 
Renzatic said:
Tim Cook heads a company worth over $400,000,000,000, is a member of Ordo Templi Orientis, and is a strict follower of the Law of Thelema. I don't think he has much to worry about from a trite Bilderberger.
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The only one having problems is the reptilian Ballmer
 
drew0020 said:
Are you all kidding me? Apple is so wrong on this one. Even the biggest Apple fan boy should be able to see this!
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Are you talking about the verdict or the penalty? DOJ is trying to use a civil case to rewrite anti-trust law, and at the same time taking the civil verdict as evidence that Apple has monopolies in book sales, movie sales and music sales. All of these things are plainly ridiculous.
 
Aluminum213 said:
I don't exactly know how, but I was listening to Rush Limbaugh and he said Obama hates apple because it represents the Republican Party

So sad to see Obama trying to take down apple, he hates American success
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Seriously?

First of all you rush is an idiot, second Obama doesn't even remotely have direct control of the courts. It's not like Obama sat down in the whitehouse one morning and said "Hey! Let's go use the pants off Apple today!!"

The DOJ MAY be trying to take down apple, but Obama most certainly is not.
 
Renzatic said:
Actually, it'd be like buying a computer from Walmart, using it to shop on Target's website, then Walmart expecting 30% of everything you buy because you bought the computer from their store.
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Nope you are free to go to Amazon's website on your iPhone and buy stuff from Amazon, and Apple does not get a cut.

So we're talking about buying products in Apple's store not on Apple's device. Apple's store takes a markup, like every other store in the world (more or less).
 
Stephen123 said:
Nope you are free to go to Amazon's website on your iPhone and buy stuff from Amazon, and Apple does not get a cut.

So we're talking about buying products in Apple's store not on Apple's device. Apple's store takes a markup, like every other store in the world (more or less).
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No, Kindle app is not the Apple Store or, alternately, if Kindle app is the Apple App Store, why the Amazon app is not the Apple App Store?
 
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Of course the DOJ wants Amazon to have an unfair competitive advantage. Amazon gave huge amounts of money Obama's election campaigns. Apple didn't. Payback time.
 
Apple should discontinue all book applications including iBooks, and the release Apple Books, a closed system. Never allow another ebook reader. This is an internal policy decision not ant anti trust issue.

Listen, those who preferred the old way will gravitate back (torrents) so the govt alleged aim would be met since the prices will drop to zero, cant get better than that, just ask the music industry

While we are at it delete and dis-allow the amazon app
 
Tknull said:
No, the original article discussed the DOJ, and the punishment it is seeking (and its motivations thereof). It is a legal issue/story, not a political one. And more to the point... i cannot read "other articles" to avoid political debate... when my point was that political debate seems to spring up at the most random of times.
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You think you can separate the law and politics?
Impossible. As both are intertwined. And most legal bodies or firms have a political agenda as well.
 
mudman2 said:
Apple should discontinue all book applications including iBooks, and the release Apple Books, a closed system. Never allow another ebook reader. This is an internal policy decision not ant anti trust issue.

Listen, those who preferred the old way will gravitate back (torrents) so the govt alleged aim would be met since the prices will drop to zero, cant get better than that, just ask the music industry

While we are at it delete and dis-allow the amazon app
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Google Voice say hello. EU will say hello, FTC will say hello

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mcarling said:
Of course the DOJ wants Amazon to have an unfair competitive advantage. Amazon gave huge amounts of money Obama's election campaigns. Apple didn't. Payback time.
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http://influenceexplorer.com/organization/apple-inc/6fba97b1038744ad8ab27d5fac99bfd7

http://influenceexplorer.com/organization/amazoncom/071ce0c7acd24e13b7333429fc01fc7d

Try again
 
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