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It may be true <shrug>. But if so, it’s because Apple built a platform based on the rules it applies.

I know plenty of companies that depend on mobile transactions and app usage and they are 100% strictly Android and are very popular well companies not struggling.
 
That is just not how the law works. If I break a company's non-compete while I am still working there, I will get fired and probably sued for damages too. Sure I could take it to the courts, but I would still get fired WHILE its in the courts. I cannot keep working there. In fact there are places that have 2-year non-compete and I have known people who left a company, went to work in a different state and was sued for breaching the non-compete.

If I get a dog on a "no pets" apartment complex, sure I can take it to the courts but I would still get evicted.

Just FYI, you can TRY to go to court by just about anything. This whole argument that "only the court can decide if the contract is enforceable" is just not correct. The way people make this argument seems like they are trying to say you can pretty much do whatever you want without ANY form of consequences if you do not agree with something unless a court tells you otherwise. That is just not how things work. I cannot keep my job if I drag out the legal battles for months after breaching a non-compete. I cannot keep my apartment in a pet free environment for however long it takes for the courts to decide if I should give up my dog or not.

And there are 100000s of non-competes that have been overturned because they were not written fair. I know because I have been on both sides. No non-compete can stop you from working. The employer might think so, but case law says otherwise.

I never said there were not consequences, but even no-pet clauses can be overturned if they are not written correctly and enforced consistently. So it may not be smart to challenge a contract, but there is no legal or illegal determination unless decided by a court. If it is not decided by the court then you willingly abide by the terms of the contract. Your choice, which is fine. But your willingly following the contract does not make it a legal contract. If fact there is case law that make this point exactly.
 
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And there are 100000s of non-competes that have been overturned because they were not written fair. I know because I have been on both sides. No non-compete can stop you from working. The employer might think so, but case law says otherwise.

I never said there were not consequences, but even no-pet clauses can be overturned if they are not written correctly and enforced consistently. So it may not be smart to challenge a contract, but there is no legal or illegal determination unless decided by a court. If it is not decided by the court then you willingly abide by the terms of the contract. Your choice, which is fine. But your willingly following the contract does not make it a legal contract. If fact there is case law that make this point exactly.

Yes it can, all my family members work for a business that has immediate termination for breaching a non-compete. Like I said, you can take it to the courts, but you still lose your job in the meantime.
 
It's great what epic is doing. It highlighted something that has been going on for quite a long time. It allowed more and more developers speaking up and hopefully it will change some of apple practices. Seeing Apple apologize to WordPress was a good first step n hopefully it will lessen their bullying behaviors.
 
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Epic's argument is that Apple's contract is illegal. It's not illegal to own a pet, but if I do not agree with my apartments contract of no pets allowed, I cannot keep living there without any consequences to my actions while it gets taken to the courts.

So your point is?
 
Come on, it's not that black and white. Both companies have done bad things here. Sure, Apple did revolutionise the way we deliver software but why do you think there are more and more anti-trust complaints popping up these days? Also, stop calling him Tim Swiney if you want your comment to be taken seriously - it comes across as incredibly immature.

Why? Isn’t it obvious... bunch of haters trying to get ahead by any means necessary. Here’s an idea... innovate Apple out of the position they are currently in and then you won’t have to whine like a three year old.
 
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So your point is?
My point is that people saying a contract is not enforceable without having a court to decide is just not correct. As stated, all my family works for the same company that has immediate termination for breaching a non-compete contract. Yes, you are very welcome to go to the courts, but you cannot keep working at the company until they decide otherwise. Thus, a contract is enforceable without a court decision. You basically go to the court to overrule their actions. Getting evicted owning a pet in a non-pet apartment complex for example. You would essentially be having the court overrule their rules. But IN THE MEANTIME you are still evicted or fired.
 
My question to Apple would be whether the very same arguments that in 2008 resulted in 30% being chosen as an appropriate rate still do apply to this day? Because to me the main argument today seems to be that that’s what it as always been at.

One could ask the same thing about Apple choosing roughly 35% as their gross profit margin on hardware. The difference is that Apple has to provide something compelling enough for customers to upgrade their hardware regularly. If they raised hardware prices too much, their sales would suffer somewhat.

Who cares? Apple’s store, Apple’s rules. It’s all Apple’s ecosystem that THEY created for better or for worse; you want to play in it... you play by their rules. You knew that when you signed up, you can’t go crying about it later.
 
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Again, Apple had no idea what they were doing. The visionary was gone, it was bean counters and people who didn't know the business put in charge by shareholders. Developing multiple lines that overlapped (IIgs, Lisa, Mac) and weren't compatible with each other, and a fragmented line of Macs that were too expensive to produce for the size of their market. "Sorry Dude" you were an engineer and have no clue what they did wrong. They didn't fail in the late 80's and 90's because Microsoft built a poor copy of their GUI. They failed because their business model, hardware fragmentation, lack of compatibility, and inability to release an OS upgrade for nearly 10 years as they struggled to get even basic multithreading to work in very public view.

Seriously... Have you ever used Windows 1.0 or 2.0? I have, it was a laughable rip-off. 3.1 was okay. It wasn't until 1995 that Microsoft hit a home run, and they weren't the only game in town at that point either. OS/2 plus unix variations, as well as several other DOS-Based windowing shells in the early 90s. To blame Microsoft for Apple's failure to execute is laughable.

If the visionary was gone then, isn't that visionary gone now? Last I checked the visionary in question hasn't been leading Apple for just shy of 9yrs. On top of that, most of the secondary visionaries Jobs incubated have left or been forced out since his death. What visionary is left at Apple to justify defending them? I know this isn't the argument you are making, so anyone is free to respond, but why is there such a desire on sites like MacRumors to defend a company that has been resting on its deceased co-founder's laurels?

My thoughts: Apple was always primarily a device company under Jobs. Would it have been wrong for Tim Cook to move into services as well? No, but only as long as they continued to innovate in the device space as well. Tim Cook seems to have gone only for the former. Its let Apple increase its revenue, and along with stock buybacks, its share price. Great for investors, which is why Tim Cook still has a job, but otherwise bad for anyone that enjoys Apple devices and wonders about lost potential.

Widgets on the home screen... groundbreaking :rolleyes:
 
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Apple should just disclose the amount of revenue paid to Epic since the start of the App Store. Assuming it's legal to do so via the contract (which it may not be). It would be interesting to see just how much Epic has benefited from the App Store and its resources.
 
Epic is largely owned by giant monopoly Tencent that is only answerable to the CCP. It’s CEO Tim Swiney is said to be worth about $30 billion. That’s 30 times more than the best CEO on the planet.

Epic is worth around 18B so ... math is tricky right? Sweeney is said to be worth around 5B.
 
Who cares? Apple’s store, Apple’s rules. It’s all Apple’s ecosystem that THEY created for better or for worse; you want to play in it... you play by their rules. You knew that when you signed up, you can’t go crying about it later.
Microsoft did that once, the govt fined them 1M a day for giving away windows explorer for free. They ended up paying over 200M so your statement isn't always true. Apple needs to tread lightly bc if the govt feels they are a monopoly. They will break them up like they did with AT&T back then.
 
Epic found the best way to get screwed and loose the battle that from the day one can't win.
 
This whole thing is like a modern day star wars sequel. Apple becomes the evil empire. Seriously doesn't Tim Apple look like Palpatine?
 
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Apple won't lose an Antitrust Battle with Epic over Pricing.

But, they could lose an Antitrust Battle with other companies over "App Discovery".

In fact, they could lose complete control of the App Store over it !

And if that were to happen, then Apple would ALSO lose control over Pricing, as control of that would either go to the Govt (defining an App Store as a Utility, which would be best), OR to whoever runs / controls the new iOS App Stores !

IMO, there absolutely should be Other / Alternative iOS App Stores !

But, they must be run / controlled by third-party companies that have NO ties to third-party apps, & the penalty MUST be severe for any of them Playing Favorites.

Trusted, Verified, & Transparent should be the Goal !

Apple's existing App Store is Trusted (by the General Public), but it is NOT Verified, & certainly NOT Transparent !

Would love to see my U.S. Congress FORCE AAPL to disclose per-Qtr, per-Category Revenue Numbers for the entire history of the App Store (here in the States) !

That alone would do magical things INSIDE Apple !

It would force Apple to get their act together OUTSIDE of Game Apps & Little Kid Apps, where they have focused 99% of their efforts !!!

Make NO mistake, if Apple were to disclose per-Qtr, per-Category Revenue Numbers for the entire history of the App Store (here in the States), it would have the single BIGGEST impact (in the App Store) of anything they OR anybody else could do !

The stock would take a 20% hit, but it would probably quickly Recover if Apple detailed to the General Public how they are addressing the current limitations.
 
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All competition is anti-competitive. That's the point of competition -- to win. They have every right to compete, they do not have the right to win. Especially not because they decided to become whiny little babies about the thing they used for the last 10 years. The harder they choke the better.
"All competition is anti-competitive." - I think you need a dictionary, mate.
 
Come on, it's not that black and white. Both companies have done bad things here. Sure, Apple did revolutionise the way we deliver software but why do you think there are more and more anti-trust complaints popping up these days? Also, stop calling him Tim Swiney if you want your comment to be taken seriously - it comes across as incredibly immature.
Dead right - we shouldn't call him Tim Swiney, and nor should we be giving Captain Crook the nickname of Tim Apple :D
 
Now we need to see the numbers from Sony's store, Microsoft's store, and Google's store.

ALL those stores charge "rent" as you call it.

And "rent" isn't illegal. Neither are rules or contracts.

But violating those contracts... that's the fault of the offender.
"And "rent" isn't illegal." - Oh, but it is illegal if it is monopolistic. Same as if a company spews toxic waste into the river in order to increase it's profits. Breach the laws that our government makes (i.e. "we the people" make, as the government are our elected law makers), which are required to be followed if you want to operate a business in our country. See, "we" own the country, not the companies. The companies only get to operate if we let them. And we only let them if they follow the laws we make. And we make those laws to protect us from all the nasty business practices that a lot of businesses will take advantage of if we let them.
 
Microsoft did that once, the govt fined them 1M a day for giving away windows explorer for free. They ended up paying over 200M so your statement isn't always true. Apple needs to tread lightly bc if the govt feels they are a monopoly. They will break them up like they did with AT&T back then.
Google is way more monopoly then Apple ever will be. I don't think Apple has to worry about being broken up.
 
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It has nothing to do with numbers. Apple allows independent development on the Mac but not iOS.
It has nothing to do with numbers? That’s really the only argument one could make - that iOS is so big Apple has to keep it closed to keep it safe. Not saying I agree but I don’t know what other argument one could make for having one open and the other closed.
 
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