Apple Accuses Former Employee of Stealing Vision Pro Secrets

[ilikewhey]

If he's convicted he'll have plenty of time contemplating his stupid choices in life

its a civil lawsuit there is no conviction. only monetary damages.

 

[nathansz]

If he's convicted he'll have plenty of time contemplating his stupid choices in life

Convicted of what?

There is no criminal charge here. This would be a civil case. He could be “found liable,” but not “convicted.”

 

[ilikewhey]

Of course it's different, I know that, but they do have their investigations into their employees. You would be surprised what they think they can and can't do. Remember the stories with Retail employees having their stuff searched daily? It only gets worse from there.

these retail employees didnt know the full extend of their rights, apple would walk a very fine line if any of them knows their constitutions.

 

[ilikewhey]

People think he should be punished and probably locked up, but by the legal system not Apple.

I think you are misinterpreting statements.

why you talking about criminal prosecution in a civil suit then.

 

[tennisproha]

your statements are non-sensical

it's theft, not accidental. there's a clear motive

 

[darngooddesign]

sure, california penal code 487 capped max value for grand theft at 950 usd, first time offender is considered a misdemeanor. that is if the state prosecutor even bother prosecuting this as its almost the same level as stealing an iphone.

They didn't cap grand-theft at 950, 487 says that under $950 is petty-theft, over 950 is grand-theft. If discovery shows the intent was to disclose Apple's data to a third party Apple will have no problem proving the damages exceed $950.

 

[nathansz]

it's theft, not accidental. there's a clear motive

No theft has been proven

And you don’t know the motive for the actions

 

[ilikewhey]

Under $950 is petty theft, over is grand theft. If discovery shows the intent was to disclose Apple's data to a third party Apple will have no problem proving the damages exceed $950.

thats what i been stating this whole time, over 950 is grand theft, the value capped out at 950. abiet less than the value of a iphone.

 

[nathansz]

Under $950 is petty theft, over is grand theft. If discovery shows the intent was to disclose Apple's data to a third party Apple will have no problem proving the damages exceed $950.

still up to the prosecutor whether charge as a misdemeanour or felony, usually based on criminal history

 

[darngooddesign]

thats what i been stating this whole time, over 950 is grand theft, the value capped out at 950. abiet less than the value of a iphone.

Yes, the value for petty theft is capped at 950.

 

[darngooddesign]

still up to the prosecutor whether charge as a misdemeanour or felony, usually based on criminal history

Of course it's up to the prosecutor, but if discovery proves the intent was for third party disclosure the prosecutor will have no problem proving felony grand theft.

 

[ilikewhey]

The value for petty theft is capped at 950.

yes, there is no disagreement here, im not sure what you are trying to address at this point.

 

[kk1ro]

Perhaps he was simply keeping a personal archive of his own work

"No, your honor, I was just keeping a personal copy of highly-sensitive material that belongs to my employer and over which I have no ownership right." That's gonna work, for sure!

Your work does not belong to you. If you want to have total and complete ownership over everything you do at work, open your own business. If you wanna be "smart" and either take your employer's intellectual property home with you or (if you're an absolute clown) share it with your previous employer's direct competitor, you need to be ready for the consequences.

 

[tennisproha]

No theft has been proven

And you don’t know the motive for the actions

Not sure what you're misunderstanding here, or just have a misconception of law and order. Downloading company data to an unauthorized personal drive and then going out of your way to conceal your actions are textbook theft. Easy conviction.

 

[nathansz]

Of course it's up to the prosecutor, but if discovery proves the intent was for third party disclosure the prosecutor will have no problem proving felony grand theft.

I guess we’ll see if a prosecutor ever even looks at any of it

 

[kk1ro]

They them like seriously dude...

You replied to me as far out of context as possible just to have something to say. It was a rhetorical question supposed to have you think a little bit beyond the headline of this article.

You, or basically 99.9% of people who will read this article have zero clue as to what data he took with him. I merely suggested it could be his work, his work that maybe Apple turn down or didn't want, or maybe he couldn't get it further because getting though his bully manager was a PITA, maybe now Apple saw Snap take his idea and make it work and Apple realized they have the right to claim, who knows. Just giving out ideas to make people think in different directions other than the narrative...

Not trying to be cute or anything, but I didn't even notice you were the one posting the comment I was originally replying to. Sorry about that.

 

[darngooddesign]

yes, there is no disagreement here, im not sure what you are trying to address at this point.

I misunderstood when you said "sure, california penal code 487 capped max value for grand theft at 950 usd..." instead of "sure, california penal code 487 capped max value for petty theft at 950 usd".

 

[nathansz]

Not sure what you're misunderstanding here, or just have a misconception of law and order. Downloading company data to an unauthorized personal drive and then going out of your way to conceal your actions are textbook theft. Easy conviction.

I’m not misunderstanding anything

Nothing has been proven yet

Certainly not that he has shared anything with his current employer, which you have stated “we have to assume”

Not that’s a misunderstanding of law

We don’t have to assume anything

 

[Cicada101]

This is a nothing case, will be dropped soon. Way too many holes to go down to find any real conclusion.

 

[Pepperfection]

Alleged pic of Liu and worker from Snap.

 

[tennisproha]

I’m not misunderstanding anything

Nothing has been proven yet

Certainly not that he has shared anything with his current employer, which you have stated “we have to assume”

Not that’s a misunderstanding of law

We don’t have to assume anything

obviously nothing has been proven yet, this is a comment thread you're on, not the actual trial lol...

 

[darngooddesign]

Alleged pic of Liu and worker from Snap.

Liu hiding his tracks after downloading Apple's data.


Apple caring about their confidential and proprietary data.

 

[nathansz]

obviously nothing has been proven yet, this is a comment thread you're on, not the actual trial lol...

I’m just pointing out that when you say that “we have to assume” that he’s shared stolen information with his current employer, your statement is entirely senseless

 

[tennisproha]

I’m just pointing out that when you say that “we have to assume” that he’s shared stolen information with his current employer, your statement is entirely senseless

we're already discussed this, not gonna run in circles with you

 

[thiscatisfat]

Alright guys, 7 pages of rage for some bloke who copied his cat pictures and a collection of memes to his free 5GB iCloud Drive. Let's crack on with the day