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The thing is it took Apple 5.5 years from initial conception to market for the original iPhone. Then you see all these other companies(Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Sony) scrambling to get ANYTHING to the market based on design & implementation cues from Apple's half-decade of R&D. If it took Apple 5.5 years then how would it take anything less from another less-capable company to come out with a true game-changer?

And your point being…..?
 
The real question is why did the entire device-industry sit on it's hands during 2002-2007 and allow Apple to invent the iPhone? Take Nokia, they were the #1 handset maker in this period selling hundreds of millions of units but never making billions in profits like Apple. They were satisfied and couldn't envision what Jobs did - a small, elegant touch-only device that played music and accessed the internet. It's this singular lack of vision from the entire non-Apple industry which just staggers me.
 
And your point being…..?

Seconded. I was kinda getting lost in reading that myself... :confused:

When a point isn't immediately clear, it's usually because... well, there ain't one :D

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The real question is why did the entire device-industry sit on it's hands during 2002-2007 and allow Apple to invent the iPhone? Take Nokia, they were the #1 handset maker in this period selling hundreds of millions of units but never making billions in profits like Apple. They were satisfied and couldn't envision what Jobs did - a small, elegant touch-only device that played music and accessed the internet. It's this singular lack of vision from the entire non-Apple industry which just staggers me.

Here's a thought... you don't see something until you see it - Apple saw it, executed it perfectly, and then it came to be. Having a collective of employees with lots of money making products doesn't buy you insight or foresight, it just means you're a collective of employees with lots of money making products.

You can't BUY vision :)
 
Right, cause big screens and making stuff cheap is innovative.

Not the 64-bit, legit desktop class, CPU.

Yeah, which is hampered by apple's stingy 1Gig of ram(iOS takes up around half of the RAM). Innovation means nothing when it can barely be utilized.
 
Is possible that in any 50-year period there is only one visionary?

Is it possible that you could toss arbitrary questions into space, and cause a profound and meaningful discussion? Yes, but unlikely ;) ;)

In related news: My sock is on my foot, the moon is in the sky still and cheese is made from milk.
 
So you're saying all innovation is from Apple? Define meaningful vs unmeaningful innovation.

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There is no way you can navigate a large phone like that with one-hand like you could a 3.5" iPhone. Laws of anatomy.

Is it the exact same as with my previous iPhones and current 5S? Obviously not because they're smaller. But its very doable.
 
It's true Apple has the most years in doing hardware design compared to Microsoft & Google, but both are rapidly catching up. The Surface tablets are truly excellent innovations and the Chromecast dongle was a surprise.

The surface tablets were so much of an innovation they took a 900 million loss. Now they are going back to what they do best software.

I've not really seen Google mention how they make any money off of Android. Not much. They make more money off of Apple & iOS at this point. They are not quite catching up IMO.
 
How do you reach the corners of the 5" phone with your thumb without changing your grip? After using a number of phones I found with phones bigger than 3.8", I can't reach the corners without repositioning my hand despite having a fairly large hand. That includes a giant phone that makes the Galaxy S4 look small and a tiny one that makes the iPhone look big, along with many others inbetween.

I haven't tried to reach the corners. There's nothing in the corners that I need. I will give it a try next time I have it in hand though.
 
The surface tablets were so much of an innovation they took a 900 million loss. Now they are going back to what they do best software.

I've not really seen Google mention how they make any money off of Android. Not much. They make more money off of Apple & iOS at this point. They are not quite catching up IMO.

I'm not saying the Surface tablets are perfect, but they do represent a huge step forward for Microsoft when you realize what horrific things they were coming out with in the 10 years prior.
 
Yeah, which is hampered by apple's stingy 1Gig of ram(iOS takes up around half of the RAM). Innovation means nothing when it can barely be utilized.

Apple has done more with less memory at better performance then the competition for a very long time. All that hardware on competing phones but still a laggy interface.
 
Apple is product-centric, foremost. Don't bore us with shareholder demands - you'd have no shares if Apple weren't so good at what they design and produce.

Find another random stock to buy if you're unhappy with Apple's "performance" - it's just numbers and cash to you, after all; we could be talking about aggregates or shares in Virgin for all you care.

Wrong dude - there would be NO APPLE if it were not for we shareholders. That is about as clueless a response as I have ever heard.
 
I personally just like using one hand to do everything on my iPhone 5.

agreed! Have large hands and even on the 5S I have to arrange some icon folders on the home screen because it's awkward to reach the upper right hand corner with my left thumb. I really hope they keep a smaller screen as an option or I'm going to have this phone for a long time.

It'd be ironic if a a few years down the road I would have to to get a non-Apple phone just to have one that wasn't trying to be a phablet! I don't need a two hand phone for business.
 
This quote makes me chuckle even more now!

You beat me to it... I had that same post in mind when reading the headline lmao.

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If they end up listening to the market, then they'd be facing the "innovators dilemma" which Jobs (I believe highlighted as a favorite book). It's not about giving consumers what they want. Apple will fall behind listening to their customers' needs.

Edit: Apple can't get caught up in current needs. It needs to look to the future.

Apple needs to balance what customers want and what they want customers to have. Keeping a 3.5"-4" phone isn't a very forward looking perspective.

It's easy to do it your way when you're the only player in town. This isn't the same market as it was 5-7 years ago, and Apple is realizing that now... Several years later than they should have tbh.
 
You do know what you're describing regarding fragmentation and Android is not true. Not that fragmentation doesn't exist, just what you said... it isn't true. Android screen res is dynamic.

Correct, it scales. Fragmentation is due to varying hardware.

Analogy: Imagine if Windows came with zero device drivers, each manufacturer has to add theor own as therte are MANY CPU/GPU. soundcard, network etc options. Thats fragmentation, how it affects Android.

Apple has a very limited set of hardware, and its all in house + not a problem. I don not know if iOS scales resolutions as Android does, abut even if not, its a low number of res/screen sizes and all in house
 
Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. If come September all we see is a bigger iPhone, then I guess one can conclude Apple has lost its innovative art.

If Apple releases a bigger screened phone with internal upgrades, bye bye Nexus 4, hello iPhone 6!
 
Fragmentation is nothing to do with screen sizes. What single screen size do you wish to put forward for the iPhone, and iPad, and MBA/P?

MBA has 2, MBP has 2 iPad has 2, iPhone should also have 2 (4 plus 4.x). A very simple solution, with no issues as far as I can see

Only issue I can see is resolution. What would the resolution be at 4.7"? Would it still be Retina?
 
I comfortably use my LG G2 with a 5.2" screen in one hand. What kid of girly hands do you all have that you can't operate a 5" device with one hand? The only time I ever use two hand on my phone is in landscape mode while watching videos.

Not only is discounting more than half the population, I'd like to see just what kind of precarious grip you're adapting to and how many times a minuet you furiously shifting your hands around on your phablet just to delude yourself into thinking this makes any sense at all. :rolleyes: good way increase the probability of dropping it.
 
If the next iPhone fails to be 'new or innovative', is it all on Tim Cook? Or did Steve have hands in this model, too?
 
Apple would never make a phone larger than the perfect 4" size

instead they are developing a shrink ray device to make yourself smaller when you feel inclined to look at a larger screen and then go back to normal when you don't

that's Apple innovation

Perfect 4" size? 3.5 used to be the perfect size.

Fact is there is no perfect size, unless you survey most of the market to get the score, then you will see many want smaller, many want bigger, they are all correct. I know what I want and I dont like a company telling me they know what I want.
 
Perfect 4" size? 3.5 used to be the perfect size.

Fact is there is no perfect size, unless you survey most of the market to get the score, then you will see many want smaller, many want bigger, they are all correct. I know what I want and I dont like a company telling me they know what I want.

He is obviously joking. Do you think Apple can actually create a shrink ray?

Come on mate, NZ'ers are meant to be good with sarcasm;)

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If the next iPhone fails to be 'new or innovative', is it all on Tim Cook? Or did Steve have hands in this model, too?

Steve.
 
It has been for several years now.

You have to wonder why a company with such gigantic fortunes and staff can't revise every device every year to jump ahead of the market instead of catching up to it. Their iPads and iPhones get attention while most other products languish in corporate disinterest.

Exactly. When I hear that the OS X release is late because people had to be moved from the team to help out the iOS release, I start wondering why is there such a small group of engineers? Don't they have sufficient amount in the budget to build up the engineering, so there is no delays due to availability? This typically a problem of smaller companies with limited R&D budgets.
 
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