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Ok, ramen noodle eating artsy guy. Some people have families to support.

Startups have a burn rate. The creative freedom ends when the money is gone. Acquisitions add cash but tend to decrease creative freedom. Can't have it all, no free lunch, etc.

Bahaha - idk why this made me laugh but it did. :D

Anyway, I think that some "artsy" folks don't understand that just because they're doing great work that is inherently valuable and worthwhile doesn't mean that they should get paid money for it. This is an unfortunate reality. Just like getting a college degree doesn't entitle you to a job, doing something awesome doesn't inherently entitle you to a paycheck. Thinking otherwise is a fundamental misunderstanding of economics.
 
You'd be surprised at how many people aren't really motivated by money - but by their creative freedom

Money talks. Heck look when Microsoft bought DOS for $50,000. That guy (thought) he made a fortune for 70's standards. Course MS turned around and made millions off that...

I love their products but man it must seriously suck to work for them.

Why would say that? Do you, or have you worked for them? Then you don't know do you? Cause according to this article Apple is #2 on the most desired places to work.
 
You'd be surprised at how many people aren't really motivated by money - but by their creative freedom

Or the project itself. Back in the early 1990s when a bunch of us ended up together on a very cool (and very highly paid) interactive TV prototype project, we all joked about how we would've worked for much less just to be part of it.

However, yes the money kept us there when things got harder :)

You can't buy people (at least not in this country). People who opted to work for startup are highly unlikely to stick around and work for a large corporation.

Sometimes startups are formed just with the idea of being bought out.

I've been approached for groups like that before. It's a gamble that can pay off with millions if you do it right. Or nothing if done badly.
 
as I wrote above - it's not an either or.

I love how people have to polarize something here.

I agree with you.

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You can't have creative freedom without money?
When did you make that up?

Van Gogh had no money and only sold one of his paintings.

The history of creative expression is replete with people who had little or no money.

If you want to live in abject poverty, sure. But software people, and ones in startups particularly, typically aren't like that. I understand not being motivated by money, but that usually means they'd be fine with cashing out for a couple million instead of a billion. Or a real salary if they're not getting equity.
 
Why would say that? Do you, or have you worked for them? Then you don't know do you? Cause according to this article Apple is #2 on the most desired places to work.

I hear that North Korea was voted the best place to live by its citizens every year for the last 20 years.
 
"The acquisition is said to have been for the company's talent rather than any specific project it was working on."

You can't buy people (at least not in this country). People who opted to work for startup are highly unlikely to stick around and work for a large corporation.

Um... okay. Thanks for taking such a strong stand against something nobody was saying.
 
siri acquisition is a lot more complex, not merely for the talent. It's definitely more than just 2 guys though. Some will go for whatever reasons after completing their terms. Some will stay for their own reasons too. And some will leave and go back a few times. There is no hard and fast rule.

A lot of the next people stayed for example.

ok
 
were you mean? When I joined Apple I bought stock at 14 bucks a share. Employees are entitled to the 52 week low. At this point Apple Stock options are too expensive to be worth anything unless you can buy tons of them. You are better off putting that cash in your 401k.

For options yes, grants on the other hand...
 
You can't have creative freedom without money?
When did you make that up?

Van Gogh had no money and only sold one of his paintings.

The history of creative expression is replete with people who had little or no money.

It's probably already been said, but Van Gogh cut of his ear and likely died from a self inflicted gun shot wound.
 
"The acquisition is said to have been for the company's talent rather than any specific project it was working on."

You can't buy people (at least not in this country). People who opted to work for startup are highly unlikely to stick around and work for a large corporation.

As usual you have nothing but negativity to add to the discussion. Why do you bother to keep haunting Macrumors when you despise Apple and everything they stand for. I am concerned about your mental health. What deep seated emotional problems drive your pathological hatred of Apple? Why not seek phycological help? You'll live a happier life. I want you to be fulfilled. :)
 
Money talks. Heck look when Microsoft bought DOS for $50,000. That guy (thought) he made a fortune for 70's standards. Course MS turned around and made millions off that...



Why would say that? Do you, or have you worked for them? Then you don't know do you? Cause according to this article Apple is #2 on the most desired places to work.

"Course MS turned around and made millions off that."
Don't you mean Billions?
 
It's probably already been said, but Van Gogh cut of his ear and likely died from a self inflicted gun shot wound.

But that sure doesn't mean he didn't 'enjoyed' creative freedom throughout all his life... :D

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I think that some "artsy" folks don't understand that just because they're doing great work that is inherently valuable and worthwhile doesn't mean that they should get paid money for it. This is an unfortunate reality. Just like getting a college degree doesn't entitle you to a job, doing something awesome doesn't inherently entitle you to a paycheck. Thinking otherwise is a fundamental misunderstanding of economics.

Creative freedom is something every single person on the planet should aspire to, a lawyer,
a doctor, a CEO of a major corporation, a politician... not just "some 'artsy' folks".
Maybe if more of them did our - global - juridical, healthcare, economic and political systems
could have evolved into something other than an absolutely chaotic mess.

I honestly believe that "doing great work that is inherently valuable and worthwhile" has to mean
getting somehow paid for it, maybe not with money in some cases, but receiving something in
exchange for valuable and worthwhile work is crucial in my opinion. But most importantly,
I don't misunderstand economics at all, I just think that you should be entitled to survive and live
a decent life (including having some of the small 'luxurys' you are used to by 21st century 'western standard's')
without being required to have a "paycheck". Receiving something in exchange of any kind of 'work' it's not the same as having a "paycheck".

Just look at US, Spain, Greece or Portugal unemployment figures, for example, and tell me
we (as a whole, as a society) don't desperately need to rethink the way we conceive the notion of 'making a living'...

Clicke me! :cool:
 
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