It's easy to carry a 1000 man that is in a pen form factor in your pocket. So no issues with random shutting down...if it does I can boot it back up in 10 seconds. So yes I can do both...can you? I thought so.
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Apple Addresses Alleged Throttling of iPhones With Degraded Batteries
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Which resulted in a slower phone and a possible likelihood of a newer device purchase as the user has no idea the battery is the reason. Heck I had no idea and I am someone who has rooted and installed custom ROMs on Android
I would like to know when the throttling happens? If it starts at 90% capacity, then that's just wrong. That can happen in 6 months for some users.
IMO a phone should not slow down after a year. If thats the case then Apple needs to get a better battery supplier.
EDIT: It was in Apple's best interest to keep this quiet. Kind of like disposable razor companies being hush hush about how long razors last.
IMO a phone should not slow down after a year. If thats the case then Apple needs to get a better battery supplier.
EDIT: It was in Apple's best interest to keep this quiet. Kind of like disposable razor companies being hush hush about how long razors last.
It seems like a case of Apple balancing priorities and (stop me if you have heard this before) Apple puts a very high priority on aesthetics and design, often to the detriment of technical capability and user experience. A larger battery, a user replaceable battery, etc. would each just about eliminate this problem. But after a few EE's were sacrificed at the altar to Jony Ive, the engineers backed off.
The exact details of how the battery throttling is done is not known and would be very interesting and likely provide much more ammo for arguments either for or against the conspiracy theories.
The exact details of how the battery throttling is done is not known and would be very interesting and likely provide much more ammo for arguments either for or against the conspiracy theories.
I didn't say that at all. I said Apple artificially strangling older hardware is wrong. We have always known it was happening, it's only now that we have confirmation that it's annoyed so many people.
What's even more annoying is that Apple admitted even the iPhone 7 is on the 'strangle' list. That must be comforting for the tens of millions of iPhone 7 users to hear that. I'd imagine when the battery begins to wane then iOS 12 will be a sloppy experience - more so than iOS 11.
There is just no defence of this practise. Let old hardware die in a more natural manner, iPhone users do not have a problem with that. But don't artificially throttle the damn thing!
Absolutely
Apple is a branding company first, technology company second.
Unfortunately the whole phone industry is moving away from "functionality".
All glass phones that shatter, aluminum that is prone to scratching, non-removable batteries due to "weather resistance". New features that really arent that useful....
Its a case where the phone industry has plateaued so inorder to keep profits companies have to convince you to change phones every year when you dont.
Its the sad reality of capitalism.
However modifying phones without the consumers knowledge is a new low and has crossed the boundary of mfg to consumer trust. Lets just say its a new low..
It comes down to a question of integrity.
First, there is a factual conflict of interest with the approach Apple is taking. When they can invisibly and deliberately degrade a device that worked at one level when purchased down to a lesser level once in use, they have absolutely no incentive to pursue better battery life, device quality/longevity, or even performance, regardless of whether there is a cover story about "avoiding spikes".
Ummm....hey dude, write some code, fix the "spikes", but don't throttle the device!! That's a half-*ss approach.
Second, the fact that they were not forthcoming about this proves the first point.
First, there is a factual conflict of interest with the approach Apple is taking. When they can invisibly and deliberately degrade a device that worked at one level when purchased down to a lesser level once in use, they have absolutely no incentive to pursue better battery life, device quality/longevity, or even performance, regardless of whether there is a cover story about "avoiding spikes".
Ummm....hey dude, write some code, fix the "spikes", but don't throttle the device!! That's a half-*ss approach.
Second, the fact that they were not forthcoming about this proves the first point.
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Actually it does not. Even with those setting changes it does not run the same.
It starts at an arbitrary level Apple decides no one knows and can throttle even at 90% health. If you are lucky it won't happen at all at any Wear level.
Where in those documents did Apple explain this behavior? Or does it fall under the catch-all, "we reserve the right to do whatever we want with the device" clause?
Oh, and that vaunted resale value - watch what happens to it now in techie circles.
I'm pretty sure that can of worms will he opened up next – all popular manufactures will have their phones put through similar tests to determine if they do this too.
That's possible. Let's keep in mind that the phone has a NON-REPLACEABLE battery. That fact seems to get overlooked and just accepted.
The reason why Apple doesn't warn customers that the battery is worn and needs to be replaced is because it isn't designed to be replaced. Yes, it can technically be replaced but it is not "replaceable" in the non-destructive sense. Unless there is a manufacturing defect with the battery, Apple DOES expect you to replace the entire phone when the battery goes.
So for all of those that said that having a non-replaceable battery was no biggie, maybe NOW they'll understand why some of us believe that it is an important feature.
Most likely those with non-replaceable batteries will come under scrutiny.
And you know this to be a fact? How, what's your source?
Also, do you only refer to stock Android phones, or also to Android phones that have manufacturer modified (tweaked, skinned, etc) Android version running?
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Oh, release notes: https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1893
How does throttling the battery 16 months later strengthen your argument that they were throttling it after a year? You've yet to provide any evidence of bad batteries, you're just choosing to interpret everything as some kind of conspiracy. What I'm ok with is making the tradeoff between slowing some operations slightly as I reach end of life on my battery rather than hard resetting my phone. Personally, this allows me to go longer without replacing my battery, so it saves me money in the end.
I just had Apple store test my battery because I was experiencing throttling on my 6-month old battery; they wouldn’t tell me the exact capacity of the battery, but I was able to coax out that the battery was at least at 90% capacity. So, in my experience my phone is throttled from 1400 MHz down to 1127 MHz, when the battery charge drops to 89% charge, on a 6-month old battery with 90%+ capacity. I think this blows hard.
The Timster is taking Apple down a fatal path by taking an accountants view of Apple's customers, and largely an unnecessarily adversarial one.
You may be able to lower cost by reducing features, quality, and functionality while you raise prices by adding marketing, vanity, and reducing choices for a while.
But what are you going to do Tim, when the day comes that you have to basically just charge a subscription to use an iPhone??
Oh...its already here.
You may be able to lower cost by reducing features, quality, and functionality while you raise prices by adding marketing, vanity, and reducing choices for a while.
But what are you going to do Tim, when the day comes that you have to basically just charge a subscription to use an iPhone??
Oh...its already here.
So when your Note was shutting down at 50% battery, you would know that the battery was bad and you could just get a new battery. If they had used Apple's"solution", you would likely be thinking the phone has deteriorated and you needed to get a new phone.
For anyone wondering, you can see your Macbook’s and iPhone’s battery cycles with this utility:
http://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/
http://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/
I would like to know what triggers the power management and when. I have a iPhone 7 since launch date (so about 15 months). It has about 330 battery cycles on it and according to coconut battery 89% of design charging capacity left. I ran Geekbench 4 today with 79% charge for both CPU and Compute. In both cases my iPhone 7 performed 10-20% above the quoted iPhone 7 benchmark values.