But it’s not just about whether it’s at 20% charge overall. It’s whether it’s healthy enough to provide the immediate burst of power the cpu needs at any instant in time.
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Apple Addresses Alleged Throttling of iPhones With Degraded Batteries
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But it’s not just about whether it’s at 20% charge overall. It’s whether it’s healthy enough to provide the immediate burst of power the cpu needs at any instant in time.
It could be that the throttling only takes place when a bad battery is detected. Seems to be a lot of grey area here.
Or Apple made this throttling for the 6S but continue to have it just in case? Its anyone's guess at this point, until its fully cleared.
I hope that this gets the same level of attention as VW dieselgate.
And what I’m saying is the only way Apple could get away with this so-called planned obsolescence is if customers are just a bunch of iSheep who are suckers. Otherwise they’d be leaving in droves for Samsung or someone else. Anyway I do think Apple should be much more transparent here and should also let people know when it’s time to replace the battery.
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Right because that’s how you retain customers by scamming them into buying new hardware.
That killed the resale of my GTI and mine is a gaser.
I totally agree with you, the only trouble is in this instance, according to some of the posts here the phone batteries are wearing down too quickly, some were seeing this behaviour before the phone was 12 months old, I have no reason to doubt the commentators who are posting these figures. So the question is, should a good battery degrade to the point that it cannot maintain a high enough voltage within such a short timeframe? because it does sound like the root cause of this is poor quality/faulty batteries. We know Apple had a battery replacement program for certain serial numbers of these phones because of faulty battery https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/ maybe just maybe the scale of the problem is bigger than Apple have admitted, they would have tested these batteries once they found an issue, those they figured would fail pretty soon they replaced the batteries on, but maybe some batteries were borderline failures or deemed likely to fail just outside the warranty period, so to hide that they then introduced the throttling code into IOS, is it a coincidence that Apple introduced this code roughly 14 months after the phone was released, six months before the warranty of the first phones to be sold expired.
Except for the numerous cases where people experiencing the throttling or premature shutdowns, were told by Apple, via their AMAZING battery checking tool, that the Battery was A-OK.
When the OS does one thing, and the tool says something different, that is a whole other level of scummy.
I doubt you have detailed characterization data on Apple's custom A chips. For all we know, some or all of these chips could run at much higher processor clock rates given lower impedance power sources (e.g. new or bigger batteries) than would fit in a style-competitive iPhone. At least for short periods, given thermal constraints.
At for thicker mobile phones, that's a consumer choice. I see almost nobody using those extra thick iPhone cases with an included battery. If very few consumers choose to carry more battery weight in their hand as an option, why should Apple foist that thickness and weight on every customer? I still occasionally carry my 5s because of its small size and low weight.
With an industrial UPS, I doubt the customers care much about the extra few pounds/kilos that the wasted battery capacity (e.g. above spec when new) costs.
Maybe this explains why other phone manufacturers use less powerful CPUs? Those A processor bursts are literally killing the iPhones. Or maybe we were wrong claiming that iPhones do not need as large batteries as Samsung phones because "iOS is much better optimized"? It looks like iPhones could have used larger batteries after all.
And some people bend over backwards to defend every shady Apple move, as if it gives THEM an O
By all means, explain the difference between the LiCoO2 LiPo pouch cells that Apple uses with LiFePO4 they could have used from the start to this know-nothing.
Its just the knowledge that Apple are in there (my phone) doing stuff, sneakily, underhand messing with my stuff. It gives me chills, if they are doing this without my knowledge what else are the capable of doing to my 1K Phone that I dared to beleive I could hold on to after one year of “owning”?
I have never trusted an iOS update in all my years of using iPhone. If it’s not one thing it’s another that their shoddy updates introduce with very little actual improvement. iOS has barley changed in 6 years but rest assured, for each update they are up to something and not always for our benefit, but guaranteed to work in ‘their’ favour.
Call me crazy but this feels slightly like vindication for my lack of trust in iOS updates. This News only confirms what we already knew, That Apple have full control of the iPhone in your pocket and that YOU don’t.
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So instead of Apple slowing down iPhones when old (normally aging battery), Apple speeds them up when new (fresh, lower than typical impedance, battery).
That's a good thing.
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This does seem to be a problem. Apple's diagnostics should be able to communicate with the on-device software to detect when battery deterioration has triggered throttling. If a battery is bad enough that iOS has determined performance must be scaled back, that device should instantly qualify for battery service - at the customers expense if out-of-warranty.
Actually, forums online suggested it was a connection issue. Why would I think my battery was bad at 50% charge?
I only know it was most likely a battery issue now because of the knowledge Apple dropped.
I defend Apple for several reasons.
I HATE bad information spread on the internet. I ALWAYS seek to negate it with facts no matter what the subject is. Apple just happens to get a whole lot of crap information told about it.
Apple has given me so much over the 30+ yrs I have been a user I feel obligated to repay them with my support
I have benefited so much by using Apple products I want to share that opportunity with other people. If uninformed people are discouraged from enjoying Apple products because other people tell lies, I think that’s a tragedy I want to fix for them.
My question is, why do so many people feel the need to go out of their way to bash products they don’t buy? THAT’S pathological to me. I don’t go on forums for Android to bash android phones. Same for Windows PCs, Samsung products (although I own a few and could tell tales of bad experiences). It’s so WEIRD to be pathologically hateful of products you have never owned. I just don’t get it and never will
Of course. Almost every mobile device could use a larger battery. But most customers don't want to pay for it (in size or weight). And then they would still complain anyway when that even longer battery life and CPU power boost decayed to just today's new iPhone performance level.
For instance, a new iPad Pro (or even a year-old iPhone 7) way outperforms a hypothetical 17" dual G5 PowerBook that every MacRumor reader screamed for and demanded, and yet they are still not satisfied.
I got a free battery replacement on my son's 6s just last week. Totally unrelated to this throttling issue. I ran a battery health app on it and showed that it had 30% battery wear, then found that this phone was eligible for the free replacement. Too bad I wasn't aware of this just a week ago, or I would've run a geekbench test before and after to see for myself. FWIW he noticed no performance difference.
I do wonder how many would've actually noticed it before this became news everywhere..
I do wonder how many would've actually noticed it before this became news everywhere..
You could be right. Maybe the quest to have thinner phones has reached the point of diminishing returns if not over to damaging customer experience.
Haven’t you repaid them enough? 30 years is a lot of business. Its hard for me to read things like this. I get the loyalty thing but you owe them nothing. If anything they owe you for sticking with them, through scandal and obvious manipulative behaviour that borders on a complete disrespect of their users.
But a properly designed and manufactured battery should not degrade to the point that it cannot maintain the correct voltage in such a short period of time such as the 1-1.5 years as you say, it should at least last as long as the warranty period and then some. All phone batteries lose capacity over time, but capacity is not the same as been able to deliver the correct voltage, people on this site have pointed out that they have even older models of phone that have batteries that have lost even more % of their original capacity but still can deliver enough voltage to prevent the phone from crashing or shutting off, this does suggest that either the batteries are faulty or apple under specced the battery requirements in order to maintain the thinness of the phones and they introduced the throttling in later version of IOS to cover this up.
What bad information is on this subject?
Does Apple slow down phones such as the 6s after some battery degradation or not?
Did Apple share this information OPENLY before reddit caught them?
Did Apple change how the phone behaves AFTER it was released?
My relationship with Apple is my choice, not yours. You do you. It costs me absolutely nothing to counteract lies and please refer to my first reason. I have no issue with legitimate criticism of Apple. I’ve done my own. I disagree with your characterization of the method Apple used to maintain the usability of an iPhone when its battery has reached the end of its life.
Saw the original post a fortnight ago (about the alleged issue). Got my iPhone 6s in Oct 2015.
Put my serial number in the checker and mine was actually covered by the recall. Now, have to say, I haven't experienced any random shutoffs at 10-20% since IOS10, but these allegations probably explain that. I'm not usually the quickest to update to point releases either.
I was getting absolutely exasperated at how slowly my 6s was running under iOS11. Had the battery swapped free of charge at the Apple store last week, and although it doesn't seem to be lasting any longer, the speed boost is noticeable.
Put my serial number in the checker and mine was actually covered by the recall. Now, have to say, I haven't experienced any random shutoffs at 10-20% since IOS10, but these allegations probably explain that. I'm not usually the quickest to update to point releases either.
I was getting absolutely exasperated at how slowly my 6s was running under iOS11. Had the battery swapped free of charge at the Apple store last week, and although it doesn't seem to be lasting any longer, the speed boost is noticeable.