If Apple knew the battery’s powering 6,6s,7(?) weren’t powerful enough to power the phone. Then they still used them because god forbid the phone be a 1-2mm thicker. This will be a huge hit for Apple.
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Apple Addresses Alleged Throttling of iPhones With Degraded Batteries
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I'm nervous about going to some guy sitting in a kiosk at the mall due to possible issues bricking Touch ID or other functions while attempting to change a battery. I don't know why Apple refuses to change the battery even if I want to pay.
Re read. My reply is succinctly accurate. You’re still trying to compare the performance battery needs of a 4S - since you’ve even had the gal to mention it to a modern 64-bit cpu based iPhone (6 and up).
Further you’re assuming the battery could not power any of the iPhones 6-7 because of a software adjustment done 12mths after use. Lol. Seriously now suddenly you’re an expert in cellphone comp ents and batteries and making a bold statement that Apple “knew” the batteries couldn’t power iPhones. When the fact is they do.
Software adjustment made in the statement by Apple is done after battery begins to degrade (12mths or more) again battery degraded. No battery lasts forever. Show me/others here your 4S battery is original and has no degraded in 7yrs. Where is your proof.
Apple sees fit to protect internal circuitry from degraded batteries not perfectly fine batteries which you’re colluding towards (they knew their batteries couldn’t power their phones- your statement).
Apple did not communicate to the end user community nor provide them a choice which it should have. That’s what I have fault in Apple about this. You seem to think this is a design flaw yet haven’t even specified where you think the design flaw is: battery, circuitry, software or the entire phone designs.
I have no idea what you’re talking about... 6 year old battery can perfectly power a 4S 45nm processor (higher nm process = higher power draw). 1 year old battery (6,6S,7) cannot power 12nm processor so it has to throttle.
Newer phones are insuficiently designed. Apple hides it until found out.
I will not reply further.
The person I found to do this was through Google. All the reviews were excellent and he came to my house to do the job and it only cost $59.
The battery is no doubt an original Apple part. I compared the old with the new before he installed it. The phone now lasts just as good as it did when it was new. My 6S+ is a factory unlocked 128GB rose gold so I was in no way ready to stop using it even though I ordered a 256GB 7+ as soon as my new battery was installed.
I'm thinking of calling the guy out to replace the battery in my 6S in a few months. My 6S is on 10.1.1 so there will be no throttling on it. The phone is also jailbroken.
Maybe if third-party battery replacements catch on more, Apple will consider letting people upgrade. More transparency would be great, but I can't see Apple doing it.
BTW, can one test if one's getting throttling by running the phone from an external power source?
BTW, can one test if one's getting throttling by running the phone from an external power source?
I'm sure IOS is coded to look at the internal battery health before throttling but I could be wrong
I asked at the Apple Store today about whether I could elect to have a new battery, even if my current one wasn't knackered, and was told that, yes, I can have my battery "serviced" and was told that that meant I could indeed get a new battery (in my 6+) if I wanted to. I do think that my phone is much slower than it used to be, but had put it down to being quite full on the memory - and hence fragmentation was setting in.
Maybe a reinstall and recover from online backup would be one way to test this.
Maybe a reinstall and recover from online backup would be one way to test this.
I don’t see how modern phones can suffer from fragmentation; their storage is all solid state. There’s either room what you’re storing or there isn’t.
No, because that doesn't prevent the phone from malfunctioning again less than a year later.
What people seem to be missing is that Apple is doing this - not to save battery - but because the phones are defective right off the line. Without this "issue" or fix, the phones shut down without warning at 80% battery, 65% battery, 40% battery, 33% battery - whenever they want to. They cause the phone to fail and the phone shuts off.
What's worse, (I had this issue with my iPhone 6S so I know), the phone does not turn back on until connected to a power source. It won't let you. It flashes the empty battery screen, even though it just shut off with sometimes 80% or more left. Once you plug it in, boom it powers back on and the battery is right back where it was.
Apple realized this flaw and implemented "fixes" on everyone's devices rather than choosing to issue a standard recall (as Samsung did for their batteries). It undoubtedly boosted their sales because they covered up the battery flaw for months as it was, then only admitted it as a 6S flaw, no other devices, yet they are still throttling every other iPhone manufactured since 10.2
iPhone 7's are running about on par with an iPhone 5S - that's illegal. That's not what people were told they were getting. Apple stands to lose billions upon billions upon billions if they are found at fault, which I can't see how they aren't...
What people seem to be missing is that Apple is doing this - not to save battery - but because the phones are defective right off the line. Without this "issue" or fix, the phones shut down without warning at 80% battery, 65% battery, 40% battery, 33% battery - whenever they want to. They cause the phone to fail and the phone shuts off.
What's worse, (I had this issue with my iPhone 6S so I know), the phone does not turn back on until connected to a power source. It won't let you. It flashes the empty battery screen, even though it just shut off with sometimes 80% or more left. Once you plug it in, boom it powers back on and the battery is right back where it was.
Apple realized this flaw and implemented "fixes" on everyone's devices rather than choosing to issue a standard recall (as Samsung did for their batteries). It undoubtedly boosted their sales because they covered up the battery flaw for months as it was, then only admitted it as a 6S flaw, no other devices, yet they are still throttling every other iPhone manufactured since 10.2
iPhone 7's are running about on par with an iPhone 5S - that's illegal. That's not what people were told they were getting. Apple stands to lose billions upon billions upon billions if they are found at fault, which I can't see how they aren't...
That is a good summary of this issue.
It is also repeated by a different poster every other day, which leads to renewed rebuttals, accusations of heresy and conspiracy by the pro-apple posters until another neutral wanders into this thread and in a fit of reason, posts something similar to your summary which triggers the white knight army again and so on and so forth.
It is amazing.
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firstly you need to be sure that your phone has an illness and that there is a potential cure. Secondly you need to know what the cure is and how to administer it.
Most users just go "time for a new phone...."
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Lol @ paying Apple for a new battery when they are the ones who sold you a defective device, incapable of its promised performance. That's taking loyalty to a whole new level.
Assuming apples explanation is true and accurate, and other users new battery solution, then a battery replacement should fix the issue as far as throttling goes.
Man I recall that old Android were notorious for becoming as slow and buggy as throttle affected iPhones. How times have changed.
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Interesting perspective, extreme but interesting.
Can’t wait for Apple to release another statement or update to their OS. Or how other manufacturers will spin their method of dealing with dying rechargeable batteries.
I do admit it's a bit extreme, but to me it's just such a black and white issue. They make a huge deal of speed improvements at each keynote release. Its the entire reason they made an "S" cycle to begin with. How do we defend them slowing an iPhone 6, 6S, 7, 8, etc to the levels of a phone released 5 years ago? Benchmarks show these devices on par with the 5S, LOL. And those batteries are super old. It seems relatively clear that there is a huge problem that Apple didnt want to admit to. They didn't even release THIS info voluntarily, only once other users figured it out. Doesn't that really say almost everything?
At the risk of sounding like I’m defending Apple this post is really misleading in the same way a car is not defective if all the tires go bald or if the brake pads Need to be changed.
No “old” technology with an OS is as fast as the day it was new unless you never ever update it and it’s powered by an arc reactor....
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There’s soo many explanations for other features on the iPhone that can be released that honestly really would do more bad than good.
Seriously the average customer only sees “Apple slows down iPhones on purpose” and really doesn’t care to learn about how battery technology works or technology in general.
I honestly think that the reputation that the older a android phone gets the more buggier and unusuable it gets is due to a similar situation Apple is in except people just assume android is crappy like that.
Either way it’s a bad look for Apple and they need to come up with something to make their customers, and perhaps shareholders, warm and fuzzy again.
My iPhone X better not slow down next year and if it does they better replace the battery for free 99.
When my car's key fob battery is low and needs replacing a message is displayed on the instrument cluster. It would have been ethical for iOS to display "Battery should be replaced to restore top performance."
Over the course of the last week, there's been speculation that Apple is throttling the performance of older iPhones with degraded batteries, leading to resurgence of accusations that Apple is deliberately slowing down older iPhones that aren't operating at peak battery performance.
In a statement to TechCrunch on the results people are seeing when testing iPhones with older batteries, Apple says it is aiming to smooth out the high power draw peaks that can result in shutdowns and other problems in older devices to "deliver the best experience for customers."
Lithium-ion batteries degrade over time by nature, and there's nothing Apple can do to halt the process, so it uses power management techniques to attempt to prolong the life of the iPhone and its battery. Apple isn't denying that iPhones with older batteries can sometimes see slower performance, but power management is not a feature that's been implemented to force users to upgrade by deliberately slowing devices.The throttling accusations first surfaced last week, after a Redditor shared Geekbench results taken before and after the battery in his iPhone 6s was replaced. He claimed that performance on his iPhone 6s sped up drastically after replacing a battery with a wear level "around 20%."
Then, earlier this week, Primate Labs founder John Poole showed some aggregate Geekbench data that visualized a link between lower processor performance and degraded battery health. He compared iPhone 6s scores between iOS 10.2 and iOS 10.2.1, which showed variations in benchmarking scores following the update.
Apple in iOS 10.2.1 introduced an update designed to fix a bug that was causing iPhone 6s models to shut down unexpectedly, a problem attributed to uneven power delivery from older batteries. Apple says this feature has been implemented for iPhone 6, 6 Plus, 6s, 6s Plus, SE, and, as of iOS 11.2, the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus. It will be implemented in future iPhones going forward, too.
It's this power management feature causing the benchmark variations John Poole found in Geekbench scores between iOS 10 updates last year. As explained by TechCrunch's Matthew Panzarino:When an iPhone's battery ages, there may come a point when it can't provide the processor with enough power to reach a peak of power, and thus it spreads the requests out "over a few cycles," resulting in the peaks and perceived lower scores on benchmarking tests. As Panzarino points out, benchmarking tests are not reflective of real world usage and will artificially trigger the power management features in the iPhone.
"In other words, you're always going to be triggering this when you run a benchmark, but you definitely will not always trigger this effect when you're using your iPhone like normal," writes Panzarino.
Apple has clear battery replacement guidelines in place. The iPhone battery is designed to retain 80% of its original capacity at 500 complete charge cycles. A defective battery that does not meet those parameters can be replaced for free for customers who have AppleCare+ or who have devices still under warranty.
For out of warranty customers, Apple offers a battery replacement service, with the company charging $79 for a battery replacement plus $6.95 in shipping.
Apple's iPhones do send out a notification when a battery has degraded enough that it's going to impact performance, but it is "pretty conservative" according to Panzarino, and he recommends Apple make this notice more aggressive, in addition to providing customers with clearer information on the link between battery life and performance.
Article Link: Apple Addresses Alleged Throttling of iPhones With Degraded Batteries
Piss poor battery design and management resulting in batteries not lasting 12/24 months isnt "a bug"
Its a deliberate design decision and it is the reason why apple need this cpu choke.
Nobody else does this because nobody else overstresses battery design like apple does.
A personal device. Computers and smartphones aren't the same. You can't do high end photo or movie editing with a phone. I mean, designing apps for smartphones require a computer of some type.
Really? "Nobody else" adjusts the cpu clock? Ever? Under any circumstance?
It seems a good solution to ensure aging batteries operate in all conditions from extreme cold to extreme heat. It could be some batteries have defects like my 6s, which was replaced. But my two 5s are 4 years old. My iphone 6 before I cracked the screen the phone was fine. My 6s+ and 7 are recent.
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Or maybe not. Really can't predicts what will happen and if apple was already in the process of planning some sort of recall concurrent with all of this happening.
Apple doesn't want to get in the business of Android running 5 different OS versions across devices.
Apple is smart for doing this.
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You can't do a lot of that stuff with a computer either. Depending on the computer, an iPhone X is probably more powerful than many peoples' primary computers.
You haven't read the Seeking Alpha article yet and learned what it is you are actually arguing against, have you?
Funny, you say your 6s had defective batteries. What about other phones? They have exactly same problem. Apple could have "fixed" your defective battery by throttling the CPU too.
And to those saying that Apple should just add a popup announcing that they started throttling the phone... This would make for a great Samsung commercial. Not that there is anything wrong with this per se but when it happens to a year or two year old phone with battery that still has 80+% capacity it is wrong. Free battery replacement for 3 or four years is the least Apple can do to address this. Phone recall would be even better.
I could be wrong but doesn't android(galaxy phones) have a reputation for becoming as unstable as throttled iphones as they age? I've heard this from several anti iphone/android users.
How are other phone manufacturers with sealed batteries handling degraded batteries? Can samsung call out apple withoit exposing themselves also?