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Apple Adds 15-Inch MacBook Pro Models With Radeon Pro Vega Graphics to Refurbished Store
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It's my opinion because Apple has not solved the T2 issue and it sounded like people were returning lots of 2018 MacBook Pros for the T2 issue (i.e. the issue is most likely still there in the refurbs).
You have a small chance of getting a new 2018 MacBook Pro with T2 issues but I think that you have a much greater chance getting a refurb 2018 MacBook Pro with T2 issues.
Yes, they are under warranty but I don't think it's worth the money saved to get on the T2 bridgeOS repair merry go round.
It's my opinion only but I would not even consider getting a refurbished 2018 MacBook Pro.
Yeah, I’ve used the cheap windows laptops before. And more expensive professional ones. The MBP is a superior machine in all cases.
At least I have software that I can actually install what do you have on MacOS?
You have APPS that I can run on my phone lol.
People with a clue have no problems with windows.
You have APPS that I can run on my phone lol.
People with a clue have no problems with windows.
software...that I can actually install.
Your response makes no sense, is entirely uneducated, and clearly a result of maximalist thinking, so it makes me wonder how little you have going on in your life that you felt the need to start a pro-Winbox flame thread on a site dedicated entirely to Macs?
Take your time, consider your response.
I am uneducated and you can't even handle a Windows machine lol.
I must of missed the part of the software you run if you can name more then five I would be shocked. And no Flappy Birds doesn't count.
I must of missed the part of the software you run if you can name more then five I would be shocked. And no Flappy Birds doesn't count.
Dude, Razer's QA issues make Apple look like the best-built product in the history of the world.
I bought a refurbished MacBook Pro 2015 no problems but I agree with this Lol. I would either, least the newer ones
QUOTE="Plutonius, post: 27180919, member: 15143"]Now people can buy all the T2 bridgeOS MacBook Pros that were returned.
I usually buy from the refurb store when I can but there is no way I would ever buy a refurbished 2018 MacBook Pro.[/QUOTE]
QUOTE="Plutonius, post: 27180919, member: 15143"]Now people can buy all the T2 bridgeOS MacBook Pros that were returned.
I usually buy from the refurb store when I can but there is no way I would ever buy a refurbished 2018 MacBook Pro.[/QUOTE]
Well that didn't take long for refurbished Tim Applebooks. Wonder what happened to them? They were returns, not fixes...hmmm.....
I’m not telling you anything. I’m simply stating that most people who buy macs do so because of the ecosystem and os. Money is irrelevant.
I totally understand the T2 issues for sure but don’t you just disable the T2 and never have an issue?
Four months from release of the Vega 16 and 20 options before refurbs started showing up is not a big deal. Tut at was about the same amount of time before 2018 Mac mini’s started showing up as well. It used to be about six months, but I think they are getting more efficient at getting returns and repairs ready to process back into the Store. This is also the initial release, so they may sell and then you won’t see them again for a few months, or just certain models. The same happened with the mini, after an initial rush of multiple configurations, I rarely see anything more than the base configurations on the refueb store...you have to be quick.
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You cannot disable the T2, it performs essential functions now that an Intel PCH would normally handle. It is not an optional component.
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T2 can be disabled to allow booting from unsigned OSes or external media but it can’t be disabled for its hardware controller functions. It is the disk controller, audio processor, image signal processor for the camera and iirc some power management functions as well, and other things I’ve forgotten and am too lazy to look up.
re: the problems people are having, like many issues it seems to affect a relatively small number of users. Sometimes a machine swap solves it, sometimes it makes no difference. There are likely multiple failure modes. It often seems to be related to attached Thunderbolt devices and sleep modes, at least when I was following the thread.
As is typical with these threads, there are hundreds of posts from the usual spewers of all things Apple-hate—who don’t even own the machine—yet will tell you over and over how horrible it is, that it’s a hardware flaw that affects every machine, how Apple has lost their way, Tim Cook only cares about profit, Apple only cares about iToys and hates the Mac, etc. ad nauseam.
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Terrible alright I thought it could be disabled. Thats unfortunate.
Damn not good then well certainly appreciate the feedback!
You can not disable the T2 but you can turn off some of its functions.
Some people have had some luck avoiding T2 issues by turning off what factions they could while others have still had bridgeOS faults even after turning off the functions.
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Unless someone works at Apple in management, they don't have any idea how many users are affected.
Well some people need the power and speed. I just paid $4K for my 2.6i7/32gb/1tb/vega20 machine. Could apple be a little less greedy with the apple tax? Sure, but I needed these specs in a portable machine
Thats the exact same model Im going for as well. I was debating the 512 though and maybe going external for the rest. Its a 340 dollar difference between the 2 models.
Refurbs are too expensive. For that price you will get a new latest product from Apple Authorized Reseller in China. For example, 2016 15" MBP with 2.6/16/512 costs 17000 CNY in Apple Refurb store and a new 2018 15" MBP 2.6/16/512 costs 18000 CNY at AAR. Why buy from Apple?
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Just priced one with similar specs, ended up being $2,900, looks like more to me if my math is right. If you use Adobe tho RTX is probably better, for anyone using Apple software like FCPX tho the Vega is lit.