Apple Adds 15-Inch MacBook Pro Models With Radeon Pro Vega Graphics to Refurbished Store

[Fishcake21]

Comparing windows machines and macs is a pointless exercise. It’s about the os.

If it's 2009 yes, 2019....I dunno...osx gets worse every year with non support and broken things forcing to rebuy apps.

Looking forward to next osx where 32 bit is gone. There goes all my free video editing and Unix apps that I doubt anybody will upgrade.

At least there is final cut pro...

 

[sledgehammer89]

Like who can afford this!

I mean come on! And I make an modest income of $67-70k a year

If I had to pick a MacBook Pro or an Hawaii Vacation?

Your Hawaii vacation ends after just 2 weeks... hmm... but keyboard and display of your MacBook too :-o

 

[Hfunny]

You're not calculating in the value added by the inclusion of that awesome Touch Bar™! The Touch Bar™ easily adds $1000 to the intrinsic value of a computer - because it's so Awesome™!

You did forget to mention the awesom added emoji value

 

[The_Joker13]

If it's 2009 yes, 2019....I dunno...osx gets worse every year with non support and broken things forcing to rebuy apps.

Looking forward to next osx where 32 bit is gone. There goes all my free video editing and Unix apps that I doubt anybody will upgrade.

At least there is final cut pro...

OSX getting worse is an opinion. That may be yours, but others would not agree. My ONLY point is, comparing macs and windows machines is not an apple to oranges comparison, that is all.

 

[Edsel]

Yeah, I’ve used the cheap windows laptops before. And more expensive professional ones. The MBP is a superior machine in all cases.

Ninety percent of the population do not need "expensive professional" notebooks. The cheap HP one I purchased on a whim will stream movies, display and touch-up photos, stream music, compose simple multi-track music, etc.

The MBP is overkill for anything but Photoshop workflows, Autodesk, FL Studio, etc. Apple has become a "fashion house" wherein possessing the Apple logo is akin to owning a Rolex v. Timex.

 

[nwcs]

Ninety percent of the population do not need "expensive professional" notebooks. The cheap HP one I purchased on a whim will stream movies, display and touch-up photos, stream music, compose simple multi-track music, etc.

The MBP is overkill for anything but Photoshop workflows, Autodesk, FL Studio, etc. Apple has become a "fashion house" wherein possessing the Apple logo is akin to owning a Rolex v. Timex.

That is your opinion which is fine but hardly the only one. It may be overkill for you but there are plenty of other uses people have for powerful computers.

 

[rgbrock1]

Good lord. Dat price tho!

Exactly. Which is the main reason I will continue using my 2015 15" MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD. To me, the 2015 models are the last great MBP's made by Apple.

 

[bottleofwhiskey]

I wouldn't buy one and I'm in the 6 figures...its not who can afford one but "Why???" buy this when there are several better non-mac options out there.

Perhaps because we have needs (or wants) the require MacOS. Personally, I'm an Apple Developer and need a Mac to run XCode.

 

[Westside guy]

You did forget to mention the awesom added emoji value

And there you have it - another $500 value added right there!

Overpriced, my ass!

 

[ilikewhey]

Why do you say that? Apples Refurbished Process is pretty strong and still comes with the exact same warranty along with AppleCare to be purchased so they do stand behind it.

tell that to my 15inch mbp that i had to sent in 3 times before they replacing it entirely
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Yeah but it’s made by Razer. Enjoy that wretched customer support when it inevitably fails.

And woo, ports! USB 3.0 which can be used for... USB! Not like those stupid “portless” 40Gb/s TB3 connections that can be daisy chained, charge the laptop, and support any legacy port — all at once, if you were so inclined. You got it skipper, USB 3 is where the Pros are at.

no dongles needed though.

 

[Jerion]

I'll admit, the Vega 20 would make it a tremendous road warrior machine. But I have a feeling that if you're looking for serious dGPU muscle these days, that chip is simultaneously going to end up both impressively adequate and immensely frustrating in a couple years' time.

 

[zosobao5150]

Apple thermal management is atrocious. Not enough ventilation for these powerful systems. Terrible for the components and motherboard. Until they get airflow to a point where there is need to throttle due to temps, these machines are an expensive gamble beyond several years old.

 

[Idefix]

I think it's extremely bizarre that Apple introduces high-end models in October and then puts them on the refurbished website in March! Has this ever happened before?

Sure, in the past, high-end models would eventually trickle into the refurbished store, but not so quickly, and not in such volume?

First off, it means the much-anticipated beefed up laptops were very poorly received with problems being high-lighted right away in reviews.

Next, despite the pent-up demand for new laptops, it means that a huge number of high-end laptops were bought and then immediately returned--either because of thermal problems or because of repeated problems with the T2 chip or the supposedly fixed keyboard. Previously, Apple devotees would bend over backwards in making excuses for Apple: it'll be fixed right away in software, don't worry!

Usually, Apple would retain the returned laptops in-house, so as to "generously" satisfy their loyal customers who have problems by replacing their laptops, no questions asked.

This quick transition into the refurbished store means that Apple an uber-ton of returns, and rapidly diminished demand for new sales. They ended up being buried under returns.

 

[linxy33]

I think it's extremely bizarre that Apple introduces high-end models in October and then puts them on the refurbished website in March! Has this ever happened before?

Sure, in the past, high-end models would eventually trickle into the refurbished store, but not so quickly, and not in such volume?

First off, it means the much-anticipated beefed up laptops were very poorly received with problems being high-lighted right away in reviews.

Next, despite the pent-up demand for new laptops, it means that a huge number of high-end laptops were bought and then immediately returned--either because of thermal problems or because of repeated problems with the T2 chip or the supposedly fixed keyboard. Previously, Apple devotees would bend over backwards in making excuses for Apple: it'll be fixed right away in software, don't worry!

Usually, Apple would retain the returned laptops in-house, so as to "generously" satisfy their loyal customers who have problems by replacing their laptops, no questions asked.

This quick transition into the refurbished store means that Apple an uber-ton of returns, and rapidly diminished demand for new sales. They ended up being buried under returns.

In your opinion does this also mean new MBPs are around the corner?

 

[Tech198]

Picking one up today.

Refurbs are getting a better option.

 

[ShootingStarPho]

In your opinion does this also mean new MBPs are around the corner?

I certainly hope so.

Apple has produced great MacBook Pro’s with powerful hardware.

Right now, they could release new intel processors, new GPU’s, new screens, new design, and new heat sinks to create the most powerful and versatile MacBook Pro yet, addressing all critiques of the prior design.


The sooner, the better.

If they decide to make it an early 2019 release, it’d immediately create so much buzz around the future of the Mac lineup later this year, e.g. the Mac Pro and iMac Pro. Almost like a taste of what is to come.

Ideal configuration:

6 or 8 Core i9 (2019) Intel architecture, 64GB or 32GB RAM, 8GB eGPU, 4TB Storage, new larger haptic Touch Bar, Fingerprint reader, Face ID, new screen (rounded corners, maybe 4K OLED, just to bring the pro res), new keyboard mechanism for the keyboard, 6 latest Thunderbolt ports, headphone jack, willing to have a thicker MacBook Pro if it’s faster, better cooling, Space Grey, and of course, a price reduction to where it feels more attainable by around 25% reduced, if not a bit more.

Why? Apple can win back some major points with reviewers and users to get so much right in their hardware this time around. Close margins are worth it when you give sheer joy to customers that’ll be loyal to a product they love so much.

 

[hans1972]

It's not for those who earn a living with their computers. Speed of workflow is the most important thing to them.

Not necessary if you are paid by the hour. I charge my clients by the hour and if I use 97 hours instead of 100 hours on a project due to a faster machine, I would loose money.
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You are trying to tell me using MacOS is worth thousands of dollars?
Please

It is for me.

I would rather pay $3000 for a Mac than $1000 for a Windows machine. In fact, converting me to Windows + Android + Android Watch/Tizen watch + Chromecast, would require someone to pay me quite a bit of money even if I got the hardware for free. I would consider it for $10 000 depending on how long I would have to use the stuff.

 

[Zdigital2015]

I certainly hope so.

Apple has produced great MacBook Pro’s with powerful hardware.

Right now, they could release new intel processors, new GPU’s, new screens, new design, and new heat sinks to create the most powerful and versatile MacBook Pro yet, addressing all critiques of the prior design.


The sooner, the better.

If they decide to make it an early 2019 release, it’d immediately create so much buzz around the future of the Mac lineup later this year, e.g. the Mac Pro and iMac Pro. Almost like a taste of what is to come.

Ideal configuration:

6 or 8 Core i9 (2019) Intel architecture, 64GB or 32GB RAM, 8GB eGPU, 4TB Storage, new larger haptic Touch Bar, Fingerprint reader, Face ID, new screen (rounded corners, maybe 4K OLED, just to bring the pro res), new keyboard mechanism for the keyboard, 6 latest Thunderbolt ports, headphone jack, willing to have a thicker MacBook Pro if it’s faster, better cooling, Space Grey, and of course, a price reduction to where it feels more attainable by around 25% reduced, if not a bit more.

Why? Apple can win back some major points with reviewers and users to get so much right in their hardware this time around. Close margins are worth it when you give sheer joy to customers that’ll be loyal to a product they love so much.

The earliest we may hear about new mobile CPUs from Intel (i7-9750H, 9850H, 9880H and i9-9980HK "Comet Lake") is April, which means that OEMs are looking at at least 60-90 days before delivery, possibly longer given Intel's conitnued 14nm manufacturing issues.

AMD Navi is slated for May, which means another 30-60 days before AIB GPUs are released, and probably in small batches.

Realistically, October would be the earliest a refreshed MacBook Pro from Apple. Depending on whether Apple goes larger on the chassis and screen, you are more likely to see:

* 6-core or 8-core 45w H-Series
* 16GB, 32GB (64GB is 50/50)
* Up to 4TB Storage
* Haptic Touch Bar (50/50)
* 4GB GPU standard top to bottom, maybe an 8GB GPU option on the high end
* 16" or 16.5" (3360x2100)1680x1050@2x or possibly (3840x2400)1920x1200@2x P3 LED LCD - No OLED.
* New keybaord mechainism is 50/50, I personally would like the Magic Keyboard mechanism.
* 4 Thunderbolt Ports + 2 USB 3.1 Gen 2 (USB-C) ports is more and realistic, as the USB-C ports are built-in to the CM246 PCH, would not oversaturate the DMI 3.0 bus and could free up TB3 ports from charging and support lower speed devices.
* Headphone jack on the left, plesase.
* TouchID or FaceID, pick one, we aren't getting both and it doesn't make sense
* Better cooling only if they move to a new chassis, which is 50/50 at this point.
* Space Grey and Silver for sure.
* Apple is not lowering the price, but that is a given.

 

[Ener Ji]

Yeah but it’s made by Razer. Enjoy that wretched customer support when it inevitably fails.

And woo, ports! USB 3.0 which can be used for... USB! Not like those stupid “portless” 40Gb/s TB3 connections that can be daisy chained, charge the laptop, and support any legacy port — all at once, if you were so inclined. You got it skipper, USB 3 is where the Pros are at.

Well, in fairness, it DOES have a USB-C Thunderbolt 3 port, plus HDMI, mini-displayport, and more than one USB 3.1 port. It's nice to have options.

 

[nitropowered]

Thats the exact same model Im going for as well. I was debating the 512 though and maybe going external for the rest. Its a 340 dollar difference between the 2 models.

I do a lot of photo and video and the 512 was cutting it a bit close on my old machine. I do dump my files when I'm done but having to worry about one less drive for mobile backup seemed worth it in the end (I did go back and forth a bit between 512 and 1tb)

 

[BuCkDoG]

I do a lot of photo and video and the 512 was cutting it a bit close on my old machine. I do dump my files when I'm done but having to worry about one less drive for mobile backup seemed worth it in the end (I did go back and forth a bit between 512 and 1tb)

Makes sense for sure it’s just Apple charges a ridiculous amount for storage upgrades it’s kinda insane.

 

[Spytap]

OH Really how many class action lawsuits has Razer had?

Couple thousand. Which, given that they sell about .1% of the computers that apple does, is embarrassing as ****.