Still secondhand though, in The Netherlands they have to give you a new one for instance (by law) in certain cases and not a refurbished one.
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Apple Adds 2017 13-Inch MacBook Pro Models to Refurbished Store
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Still secondhand though, in The Netherlands they have to give you a new one for instance (by law) in certain cases and not a refurbished one.
I'm fairly particular, so I prefer new. But for those who want to save somewhat of a discount and has a one-year warranty, it has its appeal.
I wait for the day when they have refurbished multiport adaptors 
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I don't think you can do edu discount on these. Can you?
Yes you can. Say it with me: " yes we can"I wait for the day when they have refurbished multiport adaptors
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I don't think you can do edu discount on these. Can you?
True.
I prefer new as well, not only that, the prices for Apple refurbished gear is too high if you ask me, I prefer to pay just that 10% more and have a brand new item.
Storage is my biggest headache with their pricing. It's funny to think that 6-7 years ago 320gb was the standard, now now today it's only 128-256gb (but SSD) with no option of an extra 2.5" HDD for slow storage.
A 13" 512gb / 16gb ram model, even in the outlet, is $1860. That's just nuts. The pricing is so high for base model 13" mbps now that it's pushing me towards a 15". That, along with the fact that they have drastically shrunk the battery size (49Wh for the touchbar models !?!?! Economy level PC laptops have bigger batteries than this).
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I ordered my new computer. I always get the refurbed when they first show up. Discount price, exact same warranty as new. I've never had any problem at all.
and clearance items here... Apple has to rethink one (or two) and only USB-C port strategy.
https://www.apple.com/shop/browse/home/specialdeals/clearance
https://www.apple.com/shop/browse/home/specialdeals/clearance
Prices as low as $1,529
So what they are actually worth then..
Who knows but the 13" one w/ 8GB memory and 512GB SSD, touch bar for $1700 looks good to me.
Or the 16GB memory, 512GB SSD for $2120. annoying bump for the jump but still.
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They are not really secondhand... they are complete refurb...
Refurbs aren't simply second hand products that somehow ended up back in Apple's hands. They're usually returns that Apple had to fully refund, or defective machines that Apple sent out replacements for and have subsequently been fully repaired. They're thoroughly inspected and cleaned, and brought up to and indistinguishable with "new" condition, but they can't legally be sold as new.
15% is a fairly decent discount for a machine that may as well be new, and it's not like Apple's "selling it" a second time and making pure profit. You just don't get the "prestige" retail packaging, that's all there is to whine about.
I bought my daughter a refurb MacBook Air a few years ago, and I've had zero complaints about it.
The person you gave a free laptop to hasn't complained? What an endorsement!
Right. I mean functionally. They're all I ever buy, never had a lemon yet, buy them for my nextgen kin too.
I know what refurbished means, it's used and if it's used it's not new therefor secondhand.
People went to court over this and won against Apple in The Netherlands.
I am sure they are perfectly fine, I agree with you on that.
When you have teenage kids you'll understand.
I was hoping the prices on the 2016's would have dropped a little more whenever they put out the 2017s but that isn't the case at all. Prices remained the same.
I can get a new one from B&H with no sales tax and save 10
Some deal. I can get a new one from B&H with no sales tax and effectively save 10%.
Another user-serviceable 2012 non-Retina there, too. A bit expensive as a refurb, but a tank of a machine. I'm glad I won't be the last to buy the old reliable MD101LL/A.
Running GB with audio interface handling inputs from mic, guitar, midi keyboard, external hard drive, and absolutely no dongles required.
It's no sports car, but it's getting the job done really well.
Running GB with audio interface handling inputs from mic, guitar, midi keyboard, external hard drive, and absolutely no dongles required.
It's no sports car, but it's getting the job done really well.
I'm always impressed by people's inability to remember the concept of "time value of money". Interest goes up, cost of living goes up, sometimes wages go up, meaning that most products also go up in price over the years. Computers are one of the only products that somehow has gotten more affordable over the years. For example, a Porsche 911 in 1965 was ~$6,500. Now, they go for ~$90,000. If computers followed the same pace of almost all other objects for sale, your MacBook Pro would cost you $10,000+. For example, the Powerbook 100 laptop in 1991 cost $2,500. My first 286 computer with a CGA monitor was around $2,000. I think there comes a point where we should all realize how entitled we've let ourselves become. Truly, modern computers are a bargain!!
Another user-serviceable 2012 non-Retina there, too. A bit expensive as a refurb, but a tank of a machine. I'm glad I won't be the last to buy the old reliable MD101LL/A.
Running GB with audio interface handling inputs from mic, guitar, midi keyboard, external hard drive, and absolutely no dongles required.
It's no sports car, but it's getting the job done really well.
Me too, x2 of them. Good for the long haul.