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I advocate teaching the mechanics, responsibilities and outcomes of sex as soon as the parent is ready and the child is mature enough.

I agree. I don't mind schools teaching some of this stuff, as long as it stays objective. Though parents should play a big role in this as well.

So many things in life are not inherently good nor bad; they just exist. It's just that people's perception of them that makes them good or bad.
 
This is the right move Apple. Don't withhold content, but correctly label and catagorize it.
Yes. Label it 'Erotica" or "Violence" or whatever; "Explicit" is too vague. I thought the age ratings would take care of this, but if they need to sort by type, an additional description is useful.
 
Yes. Label it 'Erotica" or "Violence" or whatever; "Explicit" is too vague. I thought the age ratings would take care of this, but if they need to sort by type, an additional description is useful.

Indeed. When we upload apps, we have to fill out a form telling how much gambling, sex, violence, etc. are in the apps. Why not let people filter on that information?
 
What kind of scale do they use, is it for the overall app or does each category have to be rated?

There are about 10 categories, and in each you have three choices (something like "none," "a little," and "a lot.")


Then Apple automatically assigns it an overall age rating based on those responses.

Categories are:

Cartoon or Fantasy Violence
Realistic Violence
Sexual Content or Nudity
Profanity or Crude Humor
Alcohol, Tobacco, or Drug Use or References
Mature/Suggestive Themes
Simulated Gambling
Horror/Fear Themes
Prolonged Graphic or Sadistic Realistic Violence
Graphic Sexual Content and Nudity
 
There are about 10 categories, and in each you have three choices (something like "none," "a little," and "a lot.")


Then Apple automatically assigns it an overall age rating based on those responses.

Categories are:

Cartoon or Fantasy Violence
Realistic Violence
Sexual Content or Nudity
Profanity or Crude Humor
Alcohol, Tobacco, or Drug Use or References
Mature/Suggestive Themes
Simulated Gambling
Horror/Fear Themes
Prolonged Graphic or Sadistic Realistic Violence
Graphic Sexual Content and Nudity

It really boggles my mind how this boondoggle got started then. It appears all of the tools were already in place.
 
It really boggles my mind how this boondoggle got started then. It appears all of the tools were already in place.

They may have added 1 or 2 of those recently. All my apps are strictly 4+ (though one has some simulated gambling, which raises the age a bit) so I don't pay much attention to the list.
 
The Supreme Court of the United States disagrees with you.

See, e.g.: Allegheny County v. ACLU, 492 U.S. 573.
See also: Stone v. Graham, 449 U.S. 39

(Nativity scene case and 10 commandment case)

Both cases a bunch of PC BS.

What I don't get is though, its okay to push whatever teachings or beliefs you're into, as long as it is not Christianity.
 
I'm just curious, how many many of you think explicit material is evil & shouldn't be allowed in the App store?

How many are fine with explicit material, just make the app accept/rejection process consistent?

How many of you think that since Apple owns the store, they can put whatever they want on it, screw everyone else?

How many of you just don't care?
 
I don't know, if this was the plan all along, why not mention it when the apps started being pulled.

And also why the public exception for Playboy and SI?


Either way, if this does reverse the previous ban, good for Apple.

Still would like a way to manually install apps that don't have to be 'blessed' by apple.

+1
I agree. Why didn't Apple just revise their development agreement and re-categorize the explicit apps instead of suddenly pulling them from the store and then adding the new explicit category?
 
Both cases a bunch of PC BS.

What I don't get is though, its okay to push whatever teachings or beliefs you're into, as long as it is not Christianity.

Probably because many other religions do not proselytize, so it doesn't come up as often. Others do not have a tradition of public displays. And, of course, there are more Christians than others in the U.S.

However, it does come up from time to time, and there are cases, for example, forbidding the use of public resources in furtherence of all sorts of religions and faith-based traditions. Even non-denominational government sponsored prayers are banned. Jewish government employees cannot place the torah in court houses. Etc.

There is no inconsistency between the treatment of christianity and other religions.

One reason people get confused is that if a public space is open to ALL religions then there's no issue. So people see a menorah (albeit next to a nativity and a christmas tree - but they ignore those) and think the Jews are getting special treatment. Or they see that a law preventing animal sacrifice was ruled unconstitutional and they think voodoo practitioners are getting special treatment, but they ignore the fact that the law was passed specifically to target those practitioners when they moved to town, and hence it's only purpose is to discriminate against a religion.
 
I would rather have a list where I can check off a category(ies) to exclude instead of an age rating, which at best is an interpreted rating.

I agree 100%. I don't care about gambling, language, and sex, but want to restrict violence, for example. That's why i'm wondering why apple doesn't just support filters based on the criteria the developers already provide.
 
I'm just curious, how many many of you think explicit material is evil & shouldn't be allowed in the App store?

How many are fine with explicit material, just make the app accept/rejection process consistent?

How many of you think that since Apple owns the store, they can put whatever they want on it, screw everyone else?

How many of you just don't care?

I don't care what others read. The only line I would draw is if those used to create the content did it under duress or were under-age.
 
My kids are never unsupervised...
Then what is the problem?

[T]his smut was mixed in where it should not have been, and was impossible to avoid.
But your kids were never unsupervised so how could they have ever installed it in the first place? Not to mention that this is a brand new category so just exclude it from their access and stop trying to control what the rest of us install. You really need to get over yourself and calm down.

can we get a special app store category for all the religious apps, too? I hate having to wade through all the fascist cultist brainwash christian crap mixed in with all the useful or entertaining apps. god forbid some impressionable young mind get unsuspectingly warped by accidental exposure to that stuff.
Hear hear! Any cult-promoting tomb that implies slavery and murder are "family values" needs to be 17+.

yeah like my right as a woman not to have a company promoting something that objectifies me as an object
Objectifying you? Seriously? Are you posing for these apps and if so which one were you in? The ability of some overly prudish people to be personally offended by broad social trends that have absolutely nothing to do with them is truly mind boggling. When I load up a smut app I'm not objectifying you, I'm trying to forget I ever knew you existed.
 
I'm just curious, how many many of you think explicit material is evil & shouldn't be allowed in the App store?

How many are fine with explicit material, just make the app accept/rejection process consistent?

How many of you think that since Apple owns the store, they can put whatever they want on it, screw everyone else?

How many of you just don't care?
I think it's fine as long as it's labeled and sorted and responds to users' lockout settings. But as I said before, simply saying "Explicit" is insufficient. "Explicit what?" We should be able to search by all those categories mentioned by cmaier.
 
But your kids were never unsupervised so how could they have ever installed it in the first place? Not to mention that this is a brand new category so just exclude it from their access and stop trying to control what the rest of us install. You really need to get over yourself and calm down.

Just because they're supervised doesn't mean they won't stumble upon this stuff. I have an aunt who's a 4th grade teacher and when teaching her kids about Washington DC, they accidentally went to whitehouse.com instead of white.gov. For those who don't know, whitehouse.com is a porn site. It was totally accidental & easy enough to be confused by (especially 9-10 years olds).

Objectifying you? Seriously? Are you posing for these apps and if so which one were you in? The ability of some overly prudish people to be personally offended by broad social trends that have absolutely nothing to do with them is truly mind boggling. When I load up a smut app I'm not objectifying you, I'm trying to forget I ever knew you existed.

I don't think she meant her personally, but rather women in general. Several people like to generalize.
 
It is not just kids who have never been to a public school who are swelling the growing ranks of home schooled kids, it is growing so fast because parents are removing them from public and home schooling them for the first time, so your analogy is not quite right.

My kids are not taught mistrust. They are free to see everything on my computer as I see it on theirs, they can pick up the phone and listen in if they want to unless it is something the other party does not want known like a sickness in their family. My kids know for a fact that I don't go anywhere where they can't go, just like they can't go anywhere I can't go.

I respect them and they respect us. I live under the same rules as they do. Yes I hear you asking about martial sexual relations. It is possible to have privacy, but that is private.

My kids probably meet more new people in their own age group per week than the average child, they also have strong and lasting friendships. We go to lots of functions with like minded families.

We live as a family, under family rules, and there is none of this us vs them that so many families deal with.


edit: Sorry to all, I didn't realize how far off topic this has gotten. Any new posts from me in the thread will be on topic.


None of this explains why Apple (or any other company) should do any filtering for you.

If you want filtered content, pay someone else to filter it - don't ask or expect the mass to be filtered for your specific benefit.
 
There are about 10 categories, and in each you have three choices (something like "none," "a little," and "a lot.")


Then Apple automatically assigns it an overall age rating based on those responses.

Categories are:

Cartoon or Fantasy Violence
Realistic Violence
Sexual Content or Nudity
Profanity or Crude Humor
Alcohol, Tobacco, or Drug Use or References
Mature/Suggestive Themes
Simulated Gambling
Horror/Fear Themes
Prolonged Graphic or Sadistic Realistic Violence
Graphic Sexual Content and Nudity
So I wonder if the iBook store will also have these categories for porn made for women, also known as: Romance Novels.
 
1. Listing these apps under explict makes it more clear what they are instead of having them mixed in with lifestyle, game, and social media sections. Good move.

2. I bet Apple will not allow explict apps to appear in the overall top apps lists and to find them you will have to go to the explict section. If this is the case once again bravo apple.

Summary: keep the apps but make me have to go to them instead of having me see "dirty fingers" listed next to "facebook" in the top apps list.
 
So I wonder if the iBook store will also have these categories for porn made for women, also known as: Romance Novels.

That isn't porn, that is erotica!

(Apparently there are nonerotic romance novels, too.)
 
That isn't porn, that is erotica!

(Apparently there are nonerotic romance novels, too.)

e·rot·i·ca
–noun
literature or art dealing with sexual love.

Most Romance novels qualify as literature in the same way that Hustler qualifies as art.
 
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