Apple Adds Java SE 6 to Leopard

[RBR2]

Short answer - NO it is NOT dying out. Java has a huge developer base, and many enterprise level applications are written in it. It drives pretty much the entire insurance industry, is a huge part of IBM, and has educational institutions behind it. Apple just dropped the ball, and wants people to upgrade. Personally, I use my quad G5 for everything EXCEPT Java...for which I have a Windows machine for.

There are a lot more JAVA apps out there than most people realize and there are a lot more PPC Macs out there than Apple cares about. Having just had a new app fail to even launch today because of a JAVA error (which probably will remain unresolved) I am not at all pleased with Apple.

 

[gmcoates]

Short answer - NO it is NOT dying out. Java has a huge developer base, and many enterprise level applications are written in it. It drives pretty much the entire insurance industry, is a huge part of IBM, and has educational institutions behind it. Apple just dropped the ball, and wants people to upgrade. Personally, I use my quad G5 for everything EXCEPT Java...for which I have a Windows machine for.

Thanks for the answer, that is what I was expecting and hoping.

I have a Dual G4 1.25 PowerMac, yes it's old, but NO it isn't slow or past it. So my anger comes from Apple wanting me to upgrade a great machine fo rno good reason. I would love to upgrade to a nice new MacBook Pro but, I don't have the available funds. But the big problem is what do I then do with the old machine, throw it away, what a waste that would be, I should keep being used until it can no more be useful.

Anyway I will keep studying Java and try to get away from my C# ways and decide if I go to Linux or not.

 

[javierbds]

Java 6 for end users in the rest of the world

For those that say that Java 6 is not important to end users.

In the rest of the world: https://jdk6.dev.java.net/6u10ea.html

You may argue that some of those things are already present in Apple´s Java (or maybe some are not ...).

PS: Java in the desktop is getting traction to be on par with latest stuff from both Microsoft and Adobe ...

 

[Eraserhead]

Looking at the scenario:
MacOSX 10.3 has Java 1.4, but not Java 5
MacOSX 10.4 has Java 5, but not Java 6
MacOSX 10.5.2, for 64 bit Intel only has Java 6.
On Win98/WinNT, one can run Java 5, but not Java 6
Linux and later versions of Win can run Java 6.

So the least common denominator is Java 1.4.

As the number of people who use Windows 98 and Windows NT users is close to zero, aside from Apple's brainheaded Java support you can support most users with Java 6. Otherwise you can support pretty much everyone with Java 5.

 

[boingolover]

Anything Core 2 Duo or above is 64-bit Intel (IA64).

IA64 == itanium, not x86-64, a.k.a. em64t in intel-speak.

 

[madmax_2069]

people with 32 bit intel Mac can always download Soylatte http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/ and say screw apple's java development (if you have a 32 bit intel Mac) cause the way Apple works they dont care about you once you buy the Mac from them. they want you to be like every Apple fan boy and buy everything they make (meaning trash your 2 - 3 year old Mac and buy every updated Mac they make)

if you ask me SUN should take back development from Apple for Java for OS X cause to me they are doing a lousy job of it. just look at how long windows had java 6 and other OSes

i dont know if you can install or compile it for PPC or not yet, but there is places that say its for tiger and leopard PPC and intel. but i have yet to see anything offically saying for PPC.

 

[chillywilly]

On another note, why did they ignore Tiger...it is a 64-bit OS after all....at least on some level

I was wondering the same thing. Seems there is a push to forget about us Tiger users. I'm working on moving to Leopard, but have some apps I use that are not Leopard ready.

 

[Lord Zedd]

Tiger isn't clean 64-bit

 

[chillywilly]

Tiger isn't clean 64-bit

Yeah, I figured such. Just would have been nice for Apple/Sun to make a 32-bit version of 1.6 for Tiger. It's not like Tiger quit working once Leopard was released.

 

[Bergs]

I am running Mac OS X 10.4.11 on a 1.42 GHz PowerPC G4. Would I be correct in saying that there is currently no option for me to use java 1.6? I tried soylatte, but that's apparently only for Intel Macs...

 

[RBR2]

I am running Mac OS X 10.4.11 on a 1.42 GHz PowerPC G4. Would I be correct in saying that there isn't currently no option for me to use java 1.6? I tried soylatte, but that's apparently only for Intel Macs...

That is my understanding of things. (I have the same hardware, but am running Leopard. There is a Beta release for Intel Macs only which can be had from the developer website, I think.

 

[RaceTripper]

That is my understanding of things. (I have the same hardware, but am running Leopard. There is a Beta release for Intel Macs only which can be had from the developer website, I think.

No, it is not beta anymore. That's what this whole thread is about. Read the first post. Apple released a production version for C2D Macs over a month ago.

 

[RBR2]

No, it is not beta anymore. That's what this whole thread is about. Read the first post. Apple released a production version for C2D Macs over a month ago.

OK, so it is not beta. It is still pretty much worthless to most of the Mac world. Big deal...oh, it is a big deal. Apple botched it. All the rest of the world is using 1.6, but not most of the Apple users.

 

[cervaro]

Downloaded last week, but still won't get more than half way through the installation process for some reason.

 

[brbubba]

people with 32 bit intel Mac can always download Soylatte http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/ and say screw apple's java development (if you have a 32 bit intel Mac) cause the way Apple works they dont care about you once you buy the Mac from them. they want you to be like every Apple fan boy and buy everything they make (meaning trash your 2 - 3 year old Mac and buy every updated Mac they make)

if you ask me SUN should take back development from Apple for Java for OS X cause to me they are doing a lousy job of it. just look at how long windows had java 6 and other OSes

i dont know if you can install or compile it for PPC or not yet, but there is places that say its for tiger and leopard PPC and intel. but i have yet to see anything offically saying for PPC.

I've installed Soylatte and when i input "java -version" from the command line it works and show v 1.6. When I launch and app from the GUI it won't work and the option is not showing up in java preferences. Any ideas how to fix this?