If they are clones, then they are in every aspect better than the "original". I switched from the iPhone to the much superior Galaxy S2 and I'm not looking back. Samsung did everything right with the Galaxy S2.
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If they are clones, then they are in every aspect better than the "original". I switched from the iPhone to the much superior Galaxy S2 and I'm not looking back. Samsung did everything right with the Galaxy S2.
You Android fanboys do not get the facts: it is not us "Apple fanboys" who are suing Samsung, it is Apple that is suing them. And Apple has good reasons. Wouldn't BMW suing KIA if the koreans built a clone of a "BMW 330 i"? Most of the customers are no fanboys like you and me; certainly they know more about the iPhone from TV ads and other channels, but once in the shop they can get easily convinced by the salesman that this "other smartphone", that looks and feels like the iPhone, is better and cheaper. Just because Samsung provides some of the iPhone parts doesn't give them the right to copy the whole package. And copying if is not IP protected is perfectly legal. But this is not the case.
But they really aren't a copy? And Apple announce iOS 5.0 at their keynote demoing features straight from the Android OS? - Also, the Samsung Galaxy SII isn't cheaper than the iPhone 4.. It's more expensive.
yep.
Not a single feature in iOS was not a blatent rip off and copy (and a iffy copy at best) of the other OS.
It little pop up notifications rip off of both Jailbreak and WP7.
Notification pull down. Direct copy of Android.
iMessage is BBM.
What feature in iOS was not a direct copy?
Year of the copy cats. Means year Apple copies everyone else.
I dont think people are getting it.
Its not about copying. iOS 5 copies that stupid (IMO) pulldown that is totally unintuitive to a new user, and I don't really like it, but it doesn't make me confused about what OS or HW Im using.
What apple is alleging is that by ripping off so many things in combination, samsung are confusing potential customers about the HW and SW (at least on a superficial level).
That, IMO is the key, and brings Samsung down to the level of cheap chinese knockoffs, which they really should be above because they are capable of so much more.
No one ever confused an iPhone with a win-mobile or a crappy moto phone when it came out, it stood on its own merits, even if they took ideas that existed before.
This will be good for Samsung in the long-run, so, whatever, theyll just have to be more original..."
Its not about copying. iOS 5 copies that stupid (IMO) pulldown that is totally unintuitive to a new user, and I don't really like it, but it doesn't make me confused about what OS or HW Im using.
What apple is alleging is that by ripping off so many things in combination, samsung are confusing potential customers about the HW and SW (at least on a superficial level).
That, IMO is the key, and brings Samsung down to the level of cheap chinese knockoffs, which they really should be above because they are capable of so much more.
No one ever confused an iPhone with a win-mobile or a crappy moto phone when it came out, it stood on its own merits, even if they took ideas that existed before.
This will be good for Samsung in the long-run, so, whatever, theyll just have to be more original..."
There are phones like Nexus S which absolutely don't like an iPhone. As for the galaxy tab 10.1, here's a better pic:
It surely does look like an iPad from above; but well, I'll leave it for Apple/Samsung to decide on that.
When it comes to tablet PC's I don't know what people would like manufacturers to change in the frontal design. Going by that picture above, do you think the Xoom is an iPad clone also?
For me, my first experiences with tablet computing were with the HP TC1000's older brother, the TC1100 and I feel that a lot of modern tablet PC's are inspired by this design:
Image borrowed from Wikipedia
A clean, minimalistic design with no buttons on the front area is pretty much all I've seen from tablet manufacturers these days. The TC1000 did all of this years before the current crop of tablets.
When device prominently features sign "Samsung" on the front side how stupid/illiterate one should be to confuse it with Apple? Before Apple filed this lawsuit, nobody ever mentioned that Samsung phones are so similar to iPhone that people were confusing them. Why? Because people did not confuse them.
You experienced the taste of sweet, honeysuckle-scented pwnage, and I enjoyed witnessing the carnage so much more than I should have.
Now, it is indeed time for you to grow up some.
Exactly my point. Sometimes there is very little you could do to differ your product against a very popular product. I do agree on that part though.
But if you're saying that it can't be done in a different way then you're wrong. It can and is being done by a lot of other manufacturers manufacturing other honeycomb tablets.
Like? Where should they show the pop-up? Down near the dock - webOS, up-near the status bar or covering the status bar - jailbreak. Ya they should use thin air from now on.
Did Android copy SBSettings? Or Mac OSX for that matter that has always displayed settings and notifications on the top-status bar? I'm guessing you'd say No.
Then what is Gtalk or WindowsMessenger or any other chat client for that matter? The only difference is that those are available on different platforms; BBM and iMessage are not.
I'm waiting for Google to get a IM implementation similar to what Apple has done and will wait for the comment then.
Do you even know the difference b/w copying, extending features and making a competitor?
Next you will say Apple copied OTA and the cloud.
Just waiting for the day Android copies GPU acceleration from other operating systems.
The difference is those others did not go out and cry like a little baby every time someone does a remote copy of them. It was Apple who made fun of everyone for remote coping and yet they turn around and do it a hell of a lot worse than everyone else.
The reason Apple is and should get so much crap about it is because of how big of a hypocrite they made of themselves. Others never pointed fingers about coping but Apple did time and time again in its past. That and the year of the copy cats slide at a keynot does not help their case much.
1. Are you crying now?
2. It doesn't validate your previous post at all. I gave an explanation as to how those things are not copied. Yet you post: 'It was Apple who made fun of everyone for remote coping and yet they turn around and do it a hell of a lot worse than everyone else.' Do you have an argument for that, cause it looks like you're falling over.
I never accepted that thing myself and Apple really is spoilt on that regard. But yes, they were true to that slide as well. Right after people criticising iPad to be the ********* Apple product ever, Google saw an opportunity and tweaked their Operating system to run on tablets. I don't know if that's copying or not, but that's seriously going behind the successful run of Apple's iPad and making a dent of their own.
Again, I don't subscribe to Apple's practices in this regard but they were true to it. Still, you were unable to defend your copy/paste argument in your previous post.
Throw some facts please.
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Apple has so much going for it here. Almost every smartphone is a direct copy of the iPhone, at least originally. We forget how the market looked in '07 when nothing like this existed, but from then on it was copy after copy. Android has definitely distinguished itself to a certain extent, but the app ecosystem was pioneered and perfected by Apple.
If those are your agrument then the counter to pretty much everything apple and a lot of other saying others are coping is
How many ways can you make a slab touch screen device. Black and while are pretty much the primary professional looking colors.
Touch screen interface is commonly a grid.
What I find funny is the argument being used to defend Apple doing it all at once that list of coping is weaker than the how many ways can you make a slab argument.
It is a black slab device. Sorry but most things are going to look the same when you get to that point.
You are saying that the look and feel of the iPhone were copied from this? That's quite a stretch...
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I have specifically said that the most recent act of Apple adding non-related devices is just plain ridiculous.
If you need one single word for this, I'd say: Atrocious or maybe Abomination.
Referring to the actual lawsuit, I was with Apple and I appreciated their concern and respect over their own IP and design decorum. But they seem to have lost me with this recent addition of non-related phones and I absolutely don't support this.
Again, referring to your comments in every other thread with respect to Apple copying notifications and BBM, etc, its getting ridiculous too. It is very true that Apple copied Android style notifications but its not that they had not existed before or Android was the first one to bring them in.
But yes, I could go on and on as to how Android copied a lot of iPhone features from the very beginning to become a great piece of software that it is now. [Still don't deny that Apple don't copy from competitors].
Seriously?
People have continuously expressed concerns that touchwiz is extremely iOS like and the galaxy phones give an overall iPhone like appearance.
I recently went back to India and saw one of my nephew's phone. Holy... the phone was so very similar to the iPhone. It's not that I haven't used an android phone. I use to use an HTC desire before going for a mozart but that samsung one freaked me out. But as soon as I saw its keyboard, I was brought to senses that it wasn't an iPhone.
See that's the point. It's about confusing the consumer so that the consumer pays extra attention to your product. This is a very common practice in businesses but I have never experience it on such a level as it is b/w Samsung and Apple.
Nothing like this existed!? What about:
2002
Even if you dismiss the quality of these earlier touch-only phones and don't think the technology had matured enough, the concept was already well established when the iPhone came.
yep the biggest change around 2007 was ccapacitive touch screens that support multi touch became cheap enough and good enough to put in cell phones. It is not like Apple invented them. Just the technology became available then.
Apple jumped on the tech a little earlier but it is very safe to say all the manufactures were working with it in R&D.
This is way you saw a lot of the same sensors start appearing in phones as well. They became cheap and good enough to work well.
Yeah but that's like Ford suing everyone because they invented the steering wheel on the Model T. There are only so many ways you can skin a cat.
Again, before even turning the phone on, did not you see a sign that clearly said "Samsung"? Besides, even when you turn the phone on, the original (home) screen in TouchWiz looks nothing like iPhone. One needs to know how to go to application drawer to find UI page that does look similar to iPhone (and all other "grid of icons" type UIs). Is not it stupid of Samsung to hide iPhone-like page when all they want is to confuse people that this is an iPhone? I do not buy it for a second. Let's take a look at contemporary Galaxy S reviews. Here is a pre-view from Engadget from June of last year. The preview does not even mention the iPhone let along states that there is any similarity. And this is from a web site that tends to mention Apple at every opportunity.
And this comparison is also very good because Ford obviously did not invent the steering wheel just like Apple did not invent the phone or the icon or the grid of icons UI or the candy-bar phone format or touch screen or multi-touch or anything that they claim Samsung copied from them.
don't bother
Waste of time.
Most Apple fans believe that Apple invented USB. Facts and prior art won't change their minds.
Waste of time.
Most Apple fans believe that Apple invented USB. Facts and prior art won't change their minds.