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Yeah, they only created the blueprint for the entire smartphone industry today. Then they went on to create the blueprint for mobile computing with the iPad. Plus App Store, apps, etc. Now they're bringing us into the Post-PC era and everyone else is struggling to follow.

Nearly everything meaningful to the consumer in the mobile industry today can be traced back to Apple in one way or the other. If it weren't for them the mobile landscape would look *completely* different today, probably for the worse, judging by what was going on pre-iPhone.

When you do get your HTC Sensation, say "Thank you, Apple." And then enjoy.

Umm.. no Mobile market "blueprint", as you call it, was created by three other companies: Nokia, Handspring, and Palm. I hope HP is watching because if Apple wins against Samsung, then HP should take on Apple for stealing from Palm. After all Apple clearly imitated Palm's interface.

As a side note, I find it hilarious that Apple now also includes Infuse in the suit. Clearly it's the case of "penis envy"; Apple wishes they had a phone like Infuse.
 
To all of those saying Apple cherry-picked those images: I agree.

However, if you were the one suing, you'd darned made sure the pictures looked as similar as you could! Look what happened with Nokia. 648 million now and another ridiculous amount of millions later ;)
 
The hard ware doesn't even look the ****in same, what do you expect samsung to do? Make a triangle phone or something?

It has a bigger screen, totally different home button, touch sensitive buttons, made of plastic, different shade of black, all the buttons are different etc

The software is very similar though, in the sense it has a wall of apps but that's about it.
 
Apple is definitely in the right here. Samsung should really stop their blatant copying asap. Samsung is really irritating here in this country because I see all their cheap rip-offs everywhere.
 
Earlier reply I did. Apple is going to have an uphill battle here :


That one ? You're sure :

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Oops, different angles tell a different story. From the side, no similarity. From the back, no similarity. Do I need to go into details here ?

From the front ? Only if you believe the bevel is actually chrome and not blackish. It's also a different shape (it's not flush with the screen like the 3GS's and 3G's bevel). The home button is quite different and there are 2 extra capacitive buttons on the front. Not to mention the big SAMSUNG right there... It's also much bigger than the iPhone :

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The UI is the same ? Not really :

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Where's the icon grid ? Notice also the page indicators, while round and in a line, they are completely different from iOS. This is the homescreen, no icon grid there. Only a dock with widgets. Sure can't confuse that with iOS...

Again, if you go outside the media hype on this story, you can see this isn't going to be an easy win for Apple. And the Samsung Galaxy S i9000 is only 1 model of Samsung Galaxy S line-up, the other phones are quite different and if you mistake them for iPhones, I have bad news for you :

Epic :

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Fascinate :

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Captivate :

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Vibrant (this is the only other model based on the i9000) :

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So please guys, again, go beyond the Apple cherry picked evidence pictures go and try to look at this objectively. This isn't the blatant copying it's made out to be.


Let's now add the Nexus S, again, looks nothing like the iPhone, and again, no icon grid on the Home screen :

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Now this one is a total mystery. The Infuse 4G ? Really ? It doesn't even have a "Home button" centered on the bottom :

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But I guess Apple can even outdo themselves in ridiculousness. The Replenish ? Really ?

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None of those make sense. Heck, again, the initial complaint about the "hardware" being a "blatant copy" is quite subjective and depends very much on the model and angle you look at it from. This is far from won from Apple.

As for icon trademarks, kdarling made 2 splendid posts about them, I can only this one though :

In this case, the argument is reversed. For the phone icon, Apple employed a commonly used shape and color that users could easily recognize. If anyone wants to argue that a company could've used a different shape or color, then Apple should be high on their complaint list.

Starting with the first giant handset, nearly every cell phone since has used a green phone emblem. Heck, HTC and Palm both used a left leaning green phone on their Send keys for years before the iPhone came along:
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Translate that key to a touchscreen, and the most reasonable thing to do is make it a green button with a white icon. As you can see below, in fact that was done in at least one example back in 2004 on Windows Mobile.

What I find more interesting is that Apple first demoed the iPhone in Jan 2007 using the all green icon below. But they did not try to trademark that one, probably because it was obvious and already used. Instead, they trademarked a version with background stripes on it, something quite different from what everyone else used, including Samsung.
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I have evidence that it's a blatant ripoff right next to me.
I showed my fiance (who knows almost nothing about tech of any sort) the picture of the iPhone 3GS, and asked her what kind of phone it was.
"iPhone"
I showed her the picture of the Samsung phone in question.
"iPho... Wait..."

Casual viewing doesn't matter.

The court case will hinge on whether or not a normal customer would be confused when actually buying the product.

The shape and icons themselves aren't a great case, because they express functionality common to smartphones.

Many also think that Apple will have a pretty difficult time claiming someone spending money on a smartphone would be confused, especially since Samsung puts their name in big letters on their products.

As to possible confusion that Apple might've licensed Samsung to make iPhones, well... is there any person on the planet who doesn't know that Apple never lets others build their products? Who knows.

Here's a pretty good article that brings up some of the issues.

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Casual viewing doesn't matter.

The court case will hinge on whether or not a normal customer would be confused when actually buying the product.

That's not quite true. See, e.g. 15 USC 1114 referring to "any person" (not a normal customer) and "likelihood" of confusion (not "would be confused").

The test is usually stated in such a way as "the consuming public would likely be confused." There are many cases extending this to, for example, "initial interest" confusion. For example, someone in the market for a new phone goes looking for one of them shiny new Apple products. He sees a samsung whatchama tab. For an instant he thinks it's an apple product, so he picks it up. He quickly realizes it isn't an apple product but he likes it and buys it. He never would have picked it up except for the confusion he had for an instant. (This is sometimes stated as a person in search of one product who inadvertently comes upon a related one buys that instead.) Under the "initial interest" line of cases, Samsung may be liable for unfair competition and/or trademark infringement.
 
... There are many cases extending this to, for example, "initial interest" confusion.

For example, someone in the market for a new phone goes looking for one of them shiny new Apple products. He sees a samsung whatchama tab. For an instant he thinks it's an apple product, so he picks it up.

He quickly realizes it isn't an apple product but he likes it and buys it. He never would have picked it up except for the confusion he had for an instant. ...

Thanks, that's a very fascinating legal concept.

It's like creatures in nature that ape the look of other things in order to get the prey to come closer :)

And yet.... how does this "initial interest" line of thinking jibe with other cases where the name was enough to avoid trouble? For instance, the artificial sweetener case cited in that article. Or other ones where just having the name (e.g. Excedrin) large enough on similar packaging was enough.

In other words, if someone is out to buy an iPhone, would they be confused or sidetracked enough to buy the Samsung instead? Hmm... I would say yes, if the iPhone wasn't available on that carrier! But otherwise?
 
Thanks, that's a very fascinating legal concept.

It's like creatures in nature that ape the look of other things in order to get the prey to come closer :)

And yet.... how does this "initial interest" line of thinking jibe with other cases where the name was enough to avoid trouble? For instance, the artificial sweetener case cited in that article. Or other ones where just having the name (e.g. Excedrin) large enough on similar packaging was enough.

In other words, if someone is out to buy an iPhone, would they be confused or sidetracked enough to buy the Samsung instead? Hmm... I would say yes, if the iPhone wasn't available on that carrier! But otherwise?

This isn't my practice area, so I'm not competent to comment on why different cases turn on different things. One thing I have heard is that "initial interest confusion" is more likely to be found where the infringed mark is particularly famous.

It's also important to remember that trademark law, unlike patent law, varies quite a bit from state to state (patent law is always federal. "Trademark law" usually refers to the federal law, but there are also state "unfair competition laws" that serve similar purposes in each state). The result may depend on what state's laws are being applied, how famous the mark is, whether the plaintiff can actually prove they lost business to this type of confusion, etc.
 
Dude, the notification system is one small thing. But the copy of the whole phone and (subjectively) the whole UI is quite another.

The whole UI? The only part that looks like an iphone in the UI is the app drawer. Most people create shortcuts to apps on the homescreen and dont use the app drawer.

The notification system is much more significant because everytime you get a text, tweet, email etc... it pops in the notification tray. for many people that's easily 100+ times a day. No one uses the app drawer 100 times a day.
 
I don't even like Samsung but this kind of trash makes apple look like a bunch of babies and it also assumes that the consumer and the cell phone reps are a bunch of cretins that can't turn a door knob let alone identify two different phones.

As if the concept of desktop style icons is unique and different. Get real apple.
 
This isn't my practice area, so I'm not competent to comment on why different cases turn on different things. One thing I have heard is that "initial interest confusion" is more likely to be found where the infringed mark is particularly famous.

Thank you, I will look that up. Seems counter-intuitive, though. Shouldn't a more famous mark be harder to draw interest away from? And even if the buyer is drawn away because they like the competition, isn't that just fair salesmanship?

It's also important to remember that trademark law, unlike patent law, varies quite a bit from state to state ...

Good reminder. Cmaier brought that up one time when I mentioned that the Jeep vs Hummer seven-slot grill case was decided partly on the basis that stopping Hummer sales would cause a lot of layoffs... and that was because the trade dress case was brought in Motor City itself, with its own needs.

So where's the jurisdiction? California?
 
Thank you, I will look that up. Seems counter-intuitive, though. Shouldn't a more famous mark be harder to draw interest away from? And even if the buyer is drawn away because they like the competition, isn't that just fair salesmanship?



Good reminder. Cmaier brought that up one time when I mentioned that the Jeep vs Hummer seven-slot grill case was decided partly on the basis that stopping Hummer sales would cause a lot of layoffs... and that was because the trade dress case was brought in Motor City itself, with its own needs.

So where's the jurisdiction? California?

I believe this case has federal law claims and california unfair competition claims.

Famous marks are given stronger protections because trademark law is rooted in the idea of "unfair" competition - someone trying to be "unfair" is likely to be more successful by imitating a famous mark. (I just made that up. I have no idea.)
 
Famous marks are given stronger protections because trademark law is rooted in the idea of "unfair" competition - someone trying to be "unfair" is likely to be more successful by imitating a famous mark. (I just made that up. I have no idea.)

*chuckling* Well, that was honest!

So okay, I did a quick study of "initial interest", and besides being a comparatively rare situation, it seems to tend (tho not always) towards having something really core being similar, such as the name (e.g. "iFone") or emblem (e.g. having a fruit symbol on the back). I would be surprised if Apple brought it up.

Actually, this whole case dilutes the Apple brand in my mind. If Apple themselves believe that some visual similarities are enough to sway buyers, then what the heck does that say about the uniqueness or supposed superiority of the iPhone?

Is the iPhone that easy to copy? Is it really that easy to build something that can tempt buyers away? This seems to be their argument, and because it's true in many ways, it doesn't ultimately help their brand value.

I fear that all Apple will do with this case, is create more interest in Samsung.

Regards.
 
*chuckling* Well, that was honest!

So okay, I did a quick study of "initial interest", and besides being a comparatively rare situation, it seems to tend (tho not always) towards having something really core being similar, such as the name (e.g. "iFone") or emblem (e.g. having a fruit symbol on the back). I would be surprised if Apple brought it up.

Actually, this whole case dilutes the Apple brand in my mind. If Apple themselves believe that some visual similarities are enough to sway buyers, then what the heck does that say about the uniqueness or supposed superiority of the iPhone?

Is the iPhone that easy to copy? Is it really that easy to build something that can tempt buyers away? This seems to be their argument, and because it's true in many ways, it doesn't ultimately help their brand value.

I fear that all Apple will do with this case, is create more interest in Samsung.

Regards.

Note that "dilution" of the mark is a separate theory of unfair competition. If I remember the complaint correctly, Apple asserted it. Again, you can only dilute a "famous" mark.
 
Note that "dilution" of the mark is a separate theory of unfair competition. If I remember the complaint correctly, Apple asserted it. Again, you can only dilute a "famous" mark.

That makes sense.

And yet.... hmm, how do you prove the extent of damage? Would Apple claim that those two million Samsung Galaxy sales in the first month or so should've been iPhone sales? Or X percentage of them?
 
I believe this case has federal law claims and california unfair competition claims.

Famous marks are given stronger protections because trademark law is rooted in the idea of "unfair" competition - someone trying to be "unfair" is likely to be more successful by imitating a famous mark. (I just made that up. I have no idea.)

One may also make a point of Samsung being a more well known cell phone brand than Apple. They sell many times more phones than Apple and have been doing so for quite a while. Can Samsung then sue Apple for damaging their brand? It's really hard to believe that Apple can win this lawsuit. Because if they do what will the remedy be? Force Samsung to change the radius of the corners? Move the screen by 2 mm? Change the color of two icons? Put "Not an iPhone disclaimer" on the box? That would be laughable.
 
I have evidence that it's a blatant ripoff right next to me.
I showed my fiance (who knows almost nothing about tech of any sort) the picture of the iPhone 3GS, and asked her what kind of phone it was.
"iPhone"
I showed her the picture of the Samsung phone in question.
"iPho... Wait..."

Marking material is not exactly relevent. Have both phones sitting there and have you wife look at them and I can promise you she will not be confused.

That is unless she things that all slab touch screen phones are iPhones then if that is the case well that is another issue because there are only so many ways you can make a slab phone.


*chuckling* Well, that was honest!

So okay, I did a quick study of "initial interest", and besides being a comparatively rare situation, it seems to tend (tho not always) towards having something really core being similar, such as the name (e.g. "iFone") or emblem (e.g. having a fruit symbol on the back). I would be surprised if Apple brought it up.

Actually, this whole case dilutes the Apple brand in my mind. If Apple themselves believe that some visual similarities are enough to sway buyers, then what the heck does that say about the uniqueness or supposed superiority of the iPhone?

Is the iPhone that easy to copy? Is it really that easy to build something that can tempt buyers away? This seems to be their argument, and because it's true in many ways, it doesn't ultimately help their brand value.

I fear that all Apple will do with this case, is create more interest in Samsung.

Regards.


I am trying to figure out Apple case they seem to be really struggling and I could see in court it really falling appart on them.

Also they seem to go after anything that is a slab touch screen phone. Sorry but how many ways can you make an all touch screen phone and they look different powered off. On some of there targets they have on Samsung that would mean The Blackberry Storm, Atrix, almost all the HTC phones ect because from the front they are black slabs touch screen phones.
 
One may also make a point of Samsung being a more well known cell phone brand than Apple. They sell many times more phones than Apple and have been doing so for quite a while. Can Samsung then sue Apple for damaging their brand?

By doing what? Making a phone that looks like a samsung phone that doesn't exist yet? Competition isn't actionable. Unfair competition is.
 
Such a blatant ripoff. Samsung is provoking this action. I think it about time Apple sends over a couple of their best goomba's and have a nice "one to one" talk.... (okay, yeah, that'll work) with the CEO.
 
Ok so I showed my friend an iphone and she new it was an iphone. I showed her a galaxy s 2 with the screenshot samsung uses. She said it was some android phone, only thing they had in common was a large home button.
 
It's clear that people who blindly follow Apple will see things in Apple's favour regardless of anything. We all just read how Apple LOST to Nokia. But did the Apple followers see it that way? Of course not. They spun it as if Apple won. When a company like Apple "settles" and at the same time they are on the shorter side of that settlement, it just means they failed at trying to get away with something that they didn't want to pay for. And again, none of the blind Apple followers had anything to say about it, other than, Apple came out on top, and made smart business moves. Apple just finished raping Android's notification, and again, the Apple loyalist completely came out saying how great it is with absolutely no credit to Android. All they while they truly believe Samsung is not a leading innovator in the tech world. It's utterly laughable. So no matter how much FACT you introduce, it's being presented to the blind.
Before you blindly follow the Apple haters, perhaps you should inform yourself better regarding the details of this action. There was never any dispute that Apple was using Nokia IP for its connection standards, as every company using 3G technology is required to do. The dispute was over what constituted fair compensation for the use of that IP. Apple claimed that it was not offered terms comparable to what other manufacturers were offered, and that this constituted anticompetitive practice, especially with regards to the use of an industry standard (one could certainly question how one company could be allowed to hold a patent on an agreed-upon industry standard, but that is another discussion). No judgment was made in this case, as the two companies settled, the terms of which were not made public (it appears that the dollar figures bandied about were concocted by "analysts"). For all we know, Nokia may have licensed the tech to Apple under the terms that Apple had requested.
 
There are aspects of this case that make sense. I'm in Australia, and many of the promotional images for the Galaxy S (and ONLY the galaxy S, not the tab, S2 and so on) showed only the front view with the app screen. Now, actually going into a store and using a Galaxy S, you'd notice the difference from the iPhone immediately, but some of the advertising could be confused.

That said, essentially everything else on that list is atrocious. I'm currently looking at getting an S2, couldn't confuse the thing for an iPhone if you tried. Very different devices (relatively speaking).

And I'd like to comment on the fanboy argument here. I don't care if you like apple or google (I'm more partial to google in the slate industry, simply because I like control). If you like iOS then buy an iPhone, and if you like android, go with android. It's people who buy an android phone, and try to justify to themselves (and everyone else) that it's so much better than apple, because they don't want to be part of the apple crowd. Those people really annoy me.

I'm just gonna put this out there:

THEY'RE PHONES!!! wonder if anyone ever sat back and thought about that......
 
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Yeah, they only created the blueprint for the entire smartphone industry today. Then they went on to create the blueprint for mobile computing with the iPad. Plus App Store, apps, etc. Now they're bringing us into the Post-PC era and everyone else is struggling to follow.

Nearly everything meaningful to the consumer in the mobile industry today can be traced back to Apple in one way or the other. If it weren't for them the mobile landscape would look *completely* different today, probably for the worse, judging by what was going on pre-iPhone.

When you do get your HTC Sensation, say "Thank you, Apple." And then enjoy.

I will be saying thank you to HTC and Google. If Apple did start the smartphone revolution they are lagging behind a lot now. Ios has always been playing catchup, take stealing notifications and bbm for recent examples. Hardly bringing us into the post pc era.
 
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