Apple Adds New Samsung Products to Infringement Lawsuit, Strengthens Assertions

[KnightWRX]

It's people who buy an iPhone, and try to justify to themselves (and everyone else) that it's so much better than Android, because they want to be part of the apple crowd. Those people really annoy me.

Funny how that goes both ways uh ?

Anyone claiming their subjective opinion as fact in support of a brand of products is annoying. These are faceless corporations, they owe you no loyalty and you owe them none in return. They don't care about you, be it Apple or Google or Microsoft. They only care about your money.

Choose the product you like best at the price you can afford. "Street creds" for buying material things is the most ridiculous and sheepish thing you can try to achieve.

I own an iPhone. My next phone will probably be an iPhone again. I have no problems siding against Apple on many of these ridiculous issues they keep bringing up, crying to the courts like a an offended schoolgirl.

 

[blackpond]

What's the big deal with Apple claiming something as simple as a grid layout UI? Check out this UI from 1983!

Oh wait... that was the Apple Lisa.

 

[Leaping Tortois]

Funny how that goes both ways uh ?

Woops, I actually meant it to be the other way around but got mixed up. I don't know anyone who'd buy an iPhone to because they want something like android, but I have seen it the other way around.

I'm a big fan of "I don't care what brand it is so long as you're happy with the decision," and people who buy iPhone look-a-likes (not necessarily android in general) and keep going on about how much better it is just sounds like them justifying to themselves, and would probably have been far more satisfied with an iPhone.

I bought an iPod touch (years ago now) to replace my samsung P2, and while the P2 had better audio quality by far, the iPod had gapless playback, a really important feature to me, and I haven't regretted buying it since, even though I actually don't like apple. Same goes for my Macbook pro, and for my Windows 7 desktop.

Sorry 'bout the mix up, completely undermined my statement

*EDIT* GASP!!!! I've been misquoted!!!!

 

[KnightWRX]

*EDIT* GASP!!!! I've been misquoted!!!!

No, you haven't. I was pointing out how your statement goes both ways so I fixed it up. I know people who buy Apple stuff because it's "trendy", and then go on and on about how superior it is and then ask stuff like "is there a way to make it do X ?" that is just not available on the iPhone but is on Android.

Those people end up jailbreaking usually.

Seriously, there's fanboys on both sides and both sides are annoying.

 

[Leaping Tortois]

I was pointing out how your statement goes both ways so I fixed it up. I know people who buy Apple stuff because it's "trendy", and then go on and on about how superior it is and then ask stuff like "is there a way to make it do X ?" that is just not available on the iPhone but is on Android.

Those people end up jailbreaking usually.

Seriously, there's fanboys on both sides and both sides are annoying.

Ah yes, I get you now, I just thought I'd typed my thing out wrong. I completely agree. That's where the "They're phones, people!" comes in. Buy something that suits you. However, internet browser fandom is COMPLETELY justified! GO FIREFOX

P.S. I actually ended up jailbreaking when apple decided that their new update allowing backgrounds wasn't allowed on my Touch!

 

[BLACKFRIDAY]

Evolution... not revolution, dont give apple THAT much credit.

Why? Are you going to decide how much credit Apple should be given for changing the entire mobile industry?

Oh! No they didn't?

You cannot have rational discussions with such people in the forums who just cannot agree to the 'fact' that Apple changed the entire game.

I guess, it wasn't your favourite phone that changed everything so you could come up with a similar argument then.

Apple didn't change anything. The mobile industry just changed overnight automatically. Yeah right.

 

[BLACKFRIDAY]

I will be saying thank you to HTC and Google. If Apple did start the smartphone revolution they are lagging behind a lot now. Ios has always been playing catchup, take stealing notifications and bbm for recent examples. Hardly bringing us into the post pc era.

Is GoogleTalk a copy of BBM? or is Windows messenger because the underlying thought is just the same.

Or do you mean, that GoogleTalk is on other platforms as well so its not a copy of BBM?

I'm just waiting for Google to release something same for Android so you could come up with a counter argument stating that a chat client is not a copy. It's after all a chat client.

Ah well! Those notifications look so much like SBSettings. Don't they? Did android copy them?

 

[BLACKFRIDAY]

This is so ridiculous! Apple didn't invent the mobile phone. They didn't invent the touch screen. They did some fantastic work on making touch screen smart phones usable! In doing so, and since, they have borrowed from others and others have borrowed from them.

At the beginning of 2007, Apple announced the iPhone and Samsung announced the F700 - the announcements were less than a month apart (in other words there simply wasn't time to copy).

Both are rounded touch screen devices with a grid style icon layout.

Apple really need to accept they didn't invent everything!

The Samsung F700:

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(This from a long time Apple fan and iPhone user since 2008)

You mean this?

The phone was announced before the iPhone. But it was NEVER shown in public before.

I think someone needs to get their facts clear.

 

[kdarling]

What's the big deal with Apple claiming something as simple as a grid layout UI? Check out this UI from 1983!

Not sure what your point is.

Humans have laid out items in a grid pattern for tens of thousands of years.

Programmers especially do it a lot, since it simplifies keeping track of objects.

Before GUIs came along, computers displayed text in a predefined grid pattern on a terminal or printer.

 

[BLACKFRIDAY]

Look how the google smartphone / Android (Prototype) looked like before the iPhone was announced:

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... looked like a RIM copy cat.

Source: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/02/g...e_shown_next_week_at_mobile_world_congress-2/

No! That isn't a copy.

I have no effects but I need to defend this somehow. Right?

/s

 

[Leaping Tortois]

Sorry Steve Jobs, it's easy to make something like a phone cool. It takes someone really cool to make something like a Bow Tie cool, or a Fez, that's right! I think that google should employ The Doctor to make their products even more hip and trendy. I dare you to say that you wouldn't buy this phone:

If it was used by this guy:

 

[Rodimus Prime]

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You mean this?

The phone was announced before the iPhone. But it was NEVER shown in public before.

I think someone needs to get their facts clear.

One month is not enough time to copy and get something into production. It was feature and design lock months before the iPhone announcement.

 

[BLACKFRIDAY]

Go Apple! I support this.

Really?

I supported Apple because I thought Samsung did try to copy Apple a lot. But adding these phones, which don't even look like an iPhone is quite ridiculous.

There are phones like Nexus S which absolutely don't like an iPhone. As for the galaxy tab 10.1, here's a better pic:

It surely does look like an iPad from above; but well, I'll leave it for Apple/Samsung to decide on that.

 

[BLACKFRIDAY]

One month is not enough time to copy and get something into production. It was feature and design lock months before the iPhone announcement.

Hey!

I totally agree to that. On another note, I fail to see that even if it did copy the iPhone to become F700, it shouldn't matter as those two phones are quite different in their appeal and software.

But keep in mind, the phone wasn't released for 6-8 months after the announcement. For all these major companies, it isn't a big deal to carve a prototype with baby software for a show appearance. You must know that the software that samsung showed had existed for a while (that's what I think).

Companies like Samsung, LG, etc can make these prototypes in a week's time; but whatever the case is: F700 and iPhone do not look the same or even similar in almost any way.

 

[Lennholm]

I have evidence that it's a blatant ripoff right next to me.
I showed my fiance (who knows almost nothing about tech of any sort) the picture of the iPhone 3GS, and asked her what kind of phone it was.
"iPhone"
I showed her the picture of the Samsung phone in question.
"iPho... Wait..."

That only proves which company has had the most successful marketing, most people would mistake the HTC Legend for iPhone at first glance, simply because Apple with alot of help from the media have been shoving "iPhone" down peoples throats.

Seeing all the cherry-picked images of Samsung phones on these forums it seems all Samsung is guilty of copying from Apple is their marketing photos.

 

[Leaping Tortois]

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It surely does look like an iPad from above; but well, I'll leave it for Apple/Samsung to decide on that.

I reckon samsung, to avoid the "it looks like an iPad," should remove the black border, have an edge to edge screen, how cool would that be? I reckon (this is purely from a hardware and appearance perspective) would make it look way cooler than an iPad, but it takes a good UI to make the tablet good, not a flashy thing like that.

 

[blackpond]

Not sure what your point is.

Humans have laid out items in a grid pattern for tens of thousands of years.

Programmers especially do it a lot, since it simplifies keeping track of objects.

Before GUIs came along, computers displayed text in a predefined grid pattern on a terminal or printer.

My point was that posting images like these and claiming that Apple stole the grid from someone else is pointless.

 

[BLACKFRIDAY]

I reckon samsung, to avoid the "it looks like an iPad," should remove the black border, have an edge to edge screen, how cool would that be? I reckon (this is purely from a hardware and appearance perspective) would make it look way cooler than an iPad, but it takes a good UI to make the tablet good, not a flashy thing like that.

I think edge to edge screens might come in this form factor.

The point of throwing that image in that regards was to pin-point that there is very less difference b/w the iPad and the galaxy tab when looking from above.

I mean, there could be many ways of making a tablet running Honeycomb. There are great designs from ASUS; and I simply love the transformer; an awesome buy for an awesome price. Coming to the point, samsung could have differentiated. But instead they chose not to. And that's why they have to a price now.

Being more consistent with my previous post, I think Apple is being more than ridiculous by adding phones that don't even look like an iPhone. I don't know if they are trying to insult Samsung or themselves.

 

[Leaping Tortois]

Being more consistent with my previous post, I think Apple is being more than ridiculous by adding phones that don't even look like an iPhone. I don't know if they are trying to insult Samsung or themselves.

Agreed. I think going after them for the GS was reasonable, they had to for legal purposes, but adding all these other phones, to me, seems to scream of apple believing themselves to be so good that they can get away with it. Kinda annoys me. It's one thing to pursue them for potential patent breaches, but it's another thing to just be a jerk.

 

[kdarling]

My point was that posting images like these and claiming that Apple stole the grid from someone else is pointless.

Exactly. Claiming that anyone stole a grid is pointless. It's a natural layout pattern to use.

The dock had also been used on UIs for a long time.

Developers designing UIs eventually arrive at similar destinations if they play around long enough. I think this is especially true for devices that have to support finger touch. Small screen, large fingers, is a common design constraint.

 

[cirus]

My point was that posting images like these and claiming that Apple stole the grid from someone else is pointless.

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No, the point is to shut those up who keep saying "They copied the grid!"

 

[BLACKFRIDAY]

Exactly. Claiming that anyone stole a grid is pointless. It's a natural layout pattern to use.

The dock had also been used on UIs for a long time.

Developers designing UIs eventually arrive at similar destinations if they play around long enough. I think this is especially true for devices that have to support finger touch. Small screen, large fingers, is a common design constraint.

+1

If you'd notice, contesting the grid format is same as questioning Mathematics.

The grid in simple terms is a m*n matrix with 'm' rows and 'n' columns. I think the grid layout is no invention or even contributes to a patent (I don't think there's one).

As for the dock, if I'm not wrong, it first showed up in NeXT OS and was then used by a lot of other UI designs incorporated in different operating systems. The same dock that originated in NeXT OS finally made its way to the Mac with OS X. Apple and NeXT should be credited but its no big deal if some other company starts to use it in the same way.

But I guess, we all are every clear that the lawsuit isn't about a grid layout OR a dock or a similar looking icon. It's about the entire presentation from start to finish to trick people into looking at a product and giving it some attention.

 

[cmaier]

Not sure what your point is.

Humans have laid out items in a grid pattern for tens of thousands of years.

Programmers especially do it a lot, since it simplifies keeping track of objects.

Before GUIs came along, computers displayed text in a predefined grid pattern on a terminal or printer.

+1

If you'd notice, contesting the grid format is same as questioning Mathematics.

The grid in simple terms is a m*n matrix with 'm' rows and 'n' columns. I think the grid layout is no invention or even contributes to a patent (I don't think there's one).

As for the dock, if I'm not wrong, it first showed up in NeXT OS and was then used by a lot of other UI designs incorporated in different operating systems. The same dock that originated in NeXT OS finally made its way to the Mac with OS X. Apple and NeXT should be credited but its no big deal if some other company starts to use it in the same way.

But I guess, we all are every clear that the lawsuit isn't about a grid layout OR a dock or a similar looking icon. It's about the entire presentation from start to finish to trick people into looking at a product and giving it some attention.

Right. The issue isn't whether individual elements existed. It is whether the combination results in an overall presentation that is confusingly similar.

Arches existed before mcdonalds started using them. Script fonts existed before the Coke logo.

 

[cervaro]

Apple are not an innocent when it comes to 'reworking' other peoples ideas, so to accuse Samsung of copying, especially with them being a major component supplier is a little rich.

Been an iPhone 3G user for nearly 3 years now. The Samsung Galaxy S2 looks far more appealing to me at the moment compared to the iPhone 4. The next iteration of the iPhone will have to produce some major changes to convince me not to buy the Samsung instead. Price is also a big factor in the Samsungs favour too, as Apple are still being far too greedy when it comes to handset subsidies in the UK.

 

[*LTD*]

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...e_samsung_meeting_to_discuss_patent_suit.html

Top execs from Apple, Samsung meeting to discuss patent suit

I smell consensus.

Maybe.