I don't understand why so many people think it will be 4S, as you say it just confuses the customer as to which model you own... Then again, why is the iPod touch just called iPod touch? That doesn't make much sense either, since the iPad is named by number now as well.
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I don't understand why so many people think it will be 4S, as you say it just confuses the customer as to which model you own... Then again, why is the iPod touch just called iPod touch? That doesn't make much sense either, since the iPad is named by number now as well.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Couldn't "Mr. X" find us something implying an updated 
TV? While I know we had a new one arrive last year, we've had "720p max" since 2007. In 2011, it's increasingly difficult to find a big HDTV limited to just 720p.
Could we finally get one that is 1080p capable... even if 1080p iTunes content might wait a while longer? I've got 5 years of 1080 HD footage shot with consumer HD camcorders, edited on Apple's iMovie and storing just fine (and playing) in iTunes. In the living room I have a 1080p HDTV (my second by the way, as I was 1080-capable from about 2001-02). Need a way to move the content natively from Mac/iTunes to the HDTV without downconverting it to 720p. And I'm really wanting to stay within the iTunes universe to get this done.
Com'on Apple. Please!
TV? While I know we had a new one arrive last year, we've had "720p max" since 2007. In 2011, it's increasingly difficult to find a big HDTV limited to just 720p. Could we finally get one that is 1080p capable... even if 1080p iTunes content might wait a while longer? I've got 5 years of 1080 HD footage shot with consumer HD camcorders, edited on Apple's iMovie and storing just fine (and playing) in iTunes. In the living room I have a 1080p HDTV (my second by the way, as I was 1080-capable from about 2001-02). Need a way to move the content natively from Mac/iTunes to the HDTV without downconverting it to 720p. And I'm really wanting to stay within the iTunes universe to get this done.
Com'on Apple. Please!
Or, as in, there really is only one new iPhone. Hint hint.
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Couldn't "Mr. X" find us something implying an updated
I think that is a software limitation, not hardware.
Couldn't "Mr. X" find us something implying an updated
Could we finally get one that is 1080p capable... even if 1080p iTunes content might wait a while longer? I've got 5 years of 1080 HD footage shot with consumer HD camcorders, edited on Apple's iMovie and storing just fine (and playing) in iTunes. In the living room I have a 1080p HDTV (my second by the way, as I was 1080-capable from about 2001-02). Need a way to move the content natively from Mac/iTunes to the HDTV without downconverting it to 720p. And I'm really wanting to stay within the iTunes universe to get this done.
Com'on Apple. Please!
I don't think this will happen yet, what would make sense to me is if Apple waited until they manage to get streaming movies and TV shows in iTunes, upgrade to 1080P in iTunes, and THEN update the
TV. No point updating it if iTunes doesn't have the content yet is there?But it won't happen for a while, since iCloud has only just begun and it's taken them a while to get agreements from the movie producers.
I think the "wait" you all keep referring to has a lot to do with iOS 5 and not just hardware updates. The new features in iOS 5 will make the iPhone / iPod / iPad a much more solid experience as a whole.
I defer to the old saying, "Hardware is only as good as the software that runs it." The internals of the current iPhone 4 are solid as is; a bump in specs and a much more solid software package can make all the difference and user experience as a whole.
Personally, I'd rather have a nice solid experience where everything works clean, speedy and without bugs then to run into another redesign with potential issues that will need to be ironed out... again.
This year is all about solidifying the iOS experience for Apple.
I defer to the old saying, "Hardware is only as good as the software that runs it." The internals of the current iPhone 4 are solid as is; a bump in specs and a much more solid software package can make all the difference and user experience as a whole.
Personally, I'd rather have a nice solid experience where everything works clean, speedy and without bugs then to run into another redesign with potential issues that will need to be ironed out... again.
This year is all about solidifying the iOS experience for Apple.
But why would that icon not have a literal meaning like the others? The clock icon is on there to show the time, not hint at an upgrade to the Clock app.
John Gruber has already hinted that there will be only 1 new iPhone. And when John (well connected) Gruber says something, you can pretty much take it to the bank!
I don't know what is going to be unveiled next week....we've all speculated....but I am just sitting here glancing at my iPhone 4 on the desk and I can't help but think it's still the most impressive design of a tech gadget I've ever seen. If iOS5 runs well on it, and I get most/all of the new iOS features without needing new hardware, I'm gonna be a happy camper still.
Unless of course the new phone has 4G
I'll do an irish jig all the way to Verizon and sell my existing phone.
Unless of course the new phone has 4G
I'll do an irish jig all the way to Verizon and sell my existing phone.Does repeating something make it true? I don't think the OS number has ANYTHING to do with the iPhone version. How do you explain the iPhone 3G running then iPhone OS 2? Apple must have really screwed up.
Or what about the iPad and iPad 2? Ran iOS 3 and 4 when they came out, and what in the world will they do with the iPad 3 when it comes out with iOS 5?!!
I'd still like to see a Nano with BT, and a service that runs on the iPhone that updates it with notifications, etc.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Don't believe such illusions. Why would it apply to only this ONE thing from Apple. We don't have iMac Xs or iMac 10.7s or iMac Lions. We don't have iPad 4s. We don't have iPod 4s. We don't have
TV 4s. If Apple was so concerned with synching an iPhone public model number with the software version, they could just make the software number increment so 3GS could have been 4 on iOS4. Apple would never do that? They jumped from Quicktime 7 to Quicktime 10 in one hop. They jumped from Final Cut 7 to 10 in one hop too. What happened to 8 & 9?
At Apple the hardware leads the software, not the other way around. If something is going to "bend" to fit some such wants at Apple, they'll adapt the software. Much easier to do. Much Cheaper. That the iOS version number and the iPhone public model number just happen to be currently lined up is just coincidence.
I think the "wait" you all keep referring to has a lot to do with iOS 5 and not just hardware updates. The new features in iOS 5 will make the iPhone / iPod / iPad a much more solid experience as a whole.
I defer to the old saying, "Hardware is only as good as the software that runs it." The internals of the current iPhone 4 are solid as is; a bump in specs and a much more solid software package can make all the difference and user experience as a whole.
Personally, I'd rather have a nice solid experience where everything works clean, speedy and without bugs then to run into another redesign with potential issues that will need to be ironed out... again.
This year is all about solidifying the iOS experience for Apple.
However, there are both seperate software and hardware teams. What was the hardware team up to? A redesigned iPhone 5.
I think Apple limits 1080p output to the A5 processor. May not be an actual limitation of the hardware, but they choose not to support 1080p on the A4 in iOS 5 due to it not being up to their standards of performance.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
There's a lot of information that says it's a hardware cap... that while the guts of an
TV can do the "heavy lifting" of processing 1080p, the output is hard capped at 720p on the current model. Obviously, it is a good reason to motivate an upgrade to a third version when that resolution limit is lifted.
Maybe that IS the literal meaning, that there's a "New iPhone" by the badge being there. I'd say that if there was a 2 instead of a 1, that would signify 2 new iPhones. Of course there's meaning, they wouldn't just stick a 1 there for decoration.
I just don't understand why they would keep Nuance under wraps if there isn't some sort of fundamental change in the iPhone hardware other than a speed jump.
All I can say is, there will be big disappointment if all this hype over a new design is all for nothing. I for one will definitely upgrade my iPhone for a new design. The iPhone 4 design is what kept me from upgrading. It just doesn't feel right in your hand compared to the 3GS.
Separate teams, yes. They still need to work closely together to ensure performance and compatibility with any new hardware changes that may have been included in the update.
You can't just slap together new hardware and load up some software and expect them to play nice with each other, let alone yield the optimization and polish that Apple prides itself on.
Here's hoping that they at least double the RAM in the refreshed iPod Touch to 512MB like the iPhone 4, even if they stick with the Apple A4.
Presumably with the elimination of the iPod Shuffle, the price of the iPod Nano would move down and make room for cheaper iPod Touches.
It would be nice if Apple no longer offers 8GB models of the iPhone and iPod Touch and bumps things to 16GB for a minimum. With the size of apps ever increasing, some games for instance being ~1GB when installed, 8GB is very limiting considering you still need room for music, video, along with some room whatever photos and 720p video you take with the cameras.
Presumably with the elimination of the iPod Shuffle, the price of the iPod Nano would move down and make room for cheaper iPod Touches.
It would be nice if Apple no longer offers 8GB models of the iPhone and iPod Touch and bumps things to 16GB for a minimum. With the size of apps ever increasing, some games for instance being ~1GB when installed, 8GB is very limiting considering you still need room for music, video, along with some room whatever photos and 720p video you take with the cameras.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I don't think this will happen yet, what would make sense to me is if Apple waited until they manage to get streaming movies and TV shows in iTunes, upgrade to 1080P in iTunes, and THEN update the
I appreciate that (common) perception, but I would think the opposite makes more sense: for hardware capabilities to lead software. After all, if a Studio wanted to test 1080p content for
TV today, the test would miserably fail. Why? Because there are no TV's in place that could play that content at 1080p.It would be like believing we have to have all the DVDs or BDs in the stores first before there are any players. If there are no players, that's just wasted shelf space and ZERO revenues. Get the hardware in place and some Studio will be tempted to test whether 1080p content can be profitable via
TV. Until the hardware is in place, NO Studio can test this.Apple does this "hardware first" thing with just about everything else they make. For example, new Macs tend to have features that will take a while for the software to fully exploit. New iPads rolled out with resolutions above native iPhone apps; software had to catch up. New iPhones rolled out with double resolution; software had to catch up. In all of these cases, one could say that the better hardware offered the OPTION to the software providers to "catch up". And that's the case here too. 1080p software for
TV added to the iTunes store today is like rolling out Mac software that depends on Macs equipped with 16-core CPUs: can't do much with better software unless the hardware is in place.Ideally, both arrive at the same time. But since Apple only has real control of the hardware, they can lead with this, get lots of units into homes and let the volume of capable units tempt some Studio to test 1080p content in iTunes. Lots of movies didn't come out on BD until there were lots of BD players in homes on which to play those movies. The opportunity motivates the Studios to play.
Besides
TV can do a lot of things besides just rent iTunes content. In my own case, I could care less if iTunes EVER has 1080p content. I just want it for many years of precious home movies shot at 1080, edited on Apple software, databased in iTunes (where they play just fine), but difficult to push to the living room 1080p TV. Apple gives us all the tools for 1080. All that is left is this last little link in the chain.
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I will think positively, I will think positively, I will think positively... Re-designed iPhone, re-designed iPhone, re-designed iPhone...
Another thing, I don't know how they are going to make this media event as good as it needs to be without new hardware other than A5. Once you set the standard for something (i.e. huge improvements year by year as seen in the past iPhone upgrades), it's not only an embarrassment for the company to release something less but it's a hard hit on reputation.
And while the iPhone will STILL sell regardless, I highly believe that the iPhone needs to distance itself from its competitors more. The new fabled design will definitely do that.
And while the iPhone will STILL sell regardless, I highly believe that the iPhone needs to distance itself from its competitors more. The new fabled design will definitely do that.
I know Apple too well to think most/many/any of the lofty rumors floating around will come to light.
I think it'll be a basic upgrade--speed, memory, camera, etc. with most of the talk during the presentation relating to the voice integration feature (especially since the name of the event is "let's talk, iPhone), facebook/twitter integration and the other iOS5 features. Thinking it'll be anything more is just setting yourself up for dissapointment.
Remember folks, here is how this always goes down: (1) everyone gets their hopes up, (2) Apple delivers a solid, but not amazing update, (3) people bitch and moan about how they fell short, how they dropped the ball, etc. and (4) slowly, over time, most come to accept the update as being good, but not great and finally (5) the rumor mill starts for iPhone 6
wash, rinse, repeat.