Apple Admits to Court that Samsung Will Draw More Customers from Android than iOS

[w00master]

Here's a question I'd like to ask all of the Apple and Android Fanboys:

1. Why do you care why one uses one over the other? Seriously.

2. Are you truly happy with the mobile OS you have? If you are, then look at question #1

3. (For US users ONLY): As long as the court cases between Apple and others actually don't prevent you from getting the device you want (and in the US it hasn't happened yet, in other countries... yeah....), seriously... why do you care about these cases?

4. Does anyone REALLY believe that Android and/or iOS will ever be removed permanently due to these cases? I don't, and I'm betting most of you don't either. If you are in agreement of me... then look to question #3. WHY DO YOU CARE???

I'd love to start a group: I like my mobile device OS and am happy with it, and happy that others like their own devices/OS even if it isn't the one I'm using. Anyone want to join?

w00master

 

[KnightWRX]

w00master, why do you care so much they care ? Some of us just like discussing these issues. I'm classed as a "Fandroid" even though I'm a iOS user and never owned an Android device.

If you don't care for the thread topic, don't read the thread.

 

[w00master]

w00master, why do you care so much they care ? Some of us just like discussing these issues. I'm classed as a "Fandroid" even though I'm a iOS user and never owned an Android device.

If you don't care for the thread topic, don't read the thread.

Fair point. I guess my perspective is that I don't mind logical and good debate over said topic. However, we all know that's not a realistic hope. LOL.

Also, I think because I'm a big tech enthusiast, in this day and age it's very difficult to avoid the mud slinging (on both sides) on iOS vs. Android. I actually find it sad.

But you do bring a fair point. LOL. It's just hard to avoid.

w00master

 

[AidenShaw]

2. Are you truly happy with the mobile OS you have?

Yes, I'm truly happy with my old Samsung WinMo phone.

Why?

Because it's a great *telephone*. I've had friends with AT&T Iphones ask to borrow it - because I had 4 bars where they couldn't get the dial tone.

I see so many posts where people say that they love their Iphones, but wish that it did a better job at making and receiving telephone calls.

If your cell phone is crap at making and placing telephone calls - why bother?

"Job 1" should be being a good phone.

 

[AppleScruff1]

Yes, I'm truly happy with my old Samsung WinMo phone.

Why?

Because it's a great *telephone*. I've had friends with AT&T Iphones ask to borrow it - because I had 4 bars where they couldn't get the dial tone.

I see so many posts where people say that they love their Iphones, but wish that it did a better job at making and receiving telephone calls.

If your cell phone is crap at making and placing telephone calls - why bother?

"Job 1" should be being a good phone.

Careful. You know that will ruffle some feathers.

 

[DeathChill]

When you deny that android is laggy, that immediately rules you out as saying anything credible in my eyes. Heck, people who have developed for Android say it themselves! But no, your android stock roms have always been lag free and outperform the iPhone...

It's kind of interesting to note that he, a person who worked on Android at Google, specifically mentions that Android started out being similar to the Blackberry and changed direction to compete with the iPhone and that is part of why the UI has some lag issues.

Work on Android started before the release of the iPhone, and at the time Android was designed to be a competitor to the Blackberry. The original Android prototype wasn’t a touch screen device. Android’s rendering trade-offs make sense for a keyboard and trackball device. When the iPhone came out, the Android team rushed to release a competitor product, but unfortunately it was too late to rewrite the UI framework.

This is the same reason why Windows Mobile 6.5, Blackberry OS, and Symbian have terrible touch screen performance. Like Android, they were not designed to prioritise UI rendering. Since the iPhone’s release, RIM, Microsoft, and Nokia have abandoned their mobile OS’s and started from scratch. Android is the only mobile OS left that existed pre-iPhone.

You really need to take a breather. You're also incredibly transparent. You try and come off as unbiased and "telling it like it is" but you aren't remotely unbiased.

"People need to stop getting so defensive when something is said about Android (or iOS). Both are excellent OS's. Being in denial about their flaws is silly. Both lag, of course."

Unbiased.

Followed by your real thrust, "Android, quite obviously, lags much much more. Every legitimate reviewer has been saying this about Android for years. Then there's always like 3 guys who say that they've never experienced any lag ever and that their android phones are smoother then the iPhone... not quite."

You're a piece of work.

Oh let's be serious. You're the exact same way as him, except on the opposite side. I don't think I've seen a single positive comment from you about anything Apple.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Well of course yours have. You're the guy who said that Apple copies Android and then said Android doesn't copy anyone. Obviously, you're not going into this unbiased.

When you deny that android is laggy, that immediately rules you out as saying anything credible in my eyes. Heck, people who have developed for Android say it themselves! But no, your android stock roms have always been lag free and outperform the iPhone...

Interesting read. Provides some differences in the design.

Minus one fact that you and the original author got wrong.

Android will catch up to iOS in smoothness. Not because of the OS design but because the raw power of smart phones will be able to handle it. The extra over head from moving stuff around would become a non issue on thread priority. Mix that with multiple cores it is even less of an issue but then again that goes back to raw power.

Long term it is a non issue and at the end it will be a non issue. I agree right now it would be nice if it was put at real time because some times it is annoying when it stutters. The background task are effecting transitions but it will be come like on PC having it all in one for 99.9% of the time it is a non issue due to the raw power of the phones.
Remember our demand of use of said power for the general population is increasing at a much MUCH slower rate than the hardware is.

Proof in that is just lets look at PC. Most people use PC do what. Surf the internet, check email and do basic word processing. My old desktop that is was built in summer of 2004 is fine for that.

 

[adder7712]

It's all the overlays they put on like Blur and Sense and TouchWiz. Vanilla ICS, has gotten good reviews pretty generally as being mostly lag-free. Heck, even my D1 after overclocking suffers minimal lag.

Usually I don't really care much about the overlays (unless it lags so much) but I still prefer the stock Android UI.

I believe the newer TouchWiz with the new Galaxy S II is hardware-accelerated.

 

[divinox]

It's kind of interesting to note that he, a person who worked on Android at Google, specifically mentions that Android started out being similar to the Blackberry and changed direction to compete with the iPhone and that is part of why the UI has some lag issues.

More interesting, people putting weight on words from interns who are still in school about matters that happened when they were still in high school. Heck, from my experience not even key people in organizations seem to remember what actually happened x years ago, and now someone who wasn't even there at the time, and spent a few months as an intern is an "expert witness"? (i know he's not a witness, but you should be able to get my point).

That said, i am sure that Android (just like any OS) is burdened by legacy, and by old choices deeply rooted within the architecture. One of these could very well be the decision to be agnostic, rather than specific. To me, the explanation given sounds way more like Engineer-thinking, than anything else. And to be frank, while they might've very well seen touch as an option, they probably missed on the fast-paced technological journey cell phones would come to take (quad-core in a phone 5-6 years ago? if not unthinkable, probably not the main line of thought).

 

[locust76]

If your cell phone is crap at making and placing telephone calls - why bother?

Because actual telephony is no longer the primary feature of a mobile device, even if they call it a cell phone. That became clear way before the iPhone was even introduced, when you could walk into a phone shop and the first thing the salesperson would pitch is the megapixel count of Nokia's newest handset.

Email, internet, text messaging, camera, music, video. These are all things people want in a "phone" these days. They're multimedia communications devices, not just phones.

True, being able to make phone calls is important, but it's not the entire picture. I've owned all variations of the iPhone and have never had a non-carrier based telephony issue. In fact, the iPhone 4 I had got better reception and made clearer calls than the Nokia dumbphone I have as a work phone, despite Antennagate.

But when I get a new phone, the "phone" part is secondary to it's connectivity options and multimedia abilitities. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that when I get a new handset, I'm not looking for a phone that can do everything, I'm looking for a multimedia device that can do everything, including making phone calls.

 

[KnightWRX]

It's kind of interesting to note that he, a person who worked on Android at Google, specifically mentions that Android started out being similar to the Blackberry and changed direction to compete with the iPhone and that is part of why the UI has some lag issues.

Hum... that guy is still in school and only interned on Android after it was released. He even says he's not an authority in the manner :

I do not have any authoritative Android knowledge and I cannot guarantee what I say here is necessarily 100% accurate, but I have done my best to do my homework.

So let's take what he says with a grain of salt. Obviously, from the evidence provided by all the different Android form factors that are *currently* shipping, Android was never made to look like anything in particular. It's just a very hardware agnostic piece of software that supports many screen types, many input devices and many silicon architectures. The lack of proper hardware accelerated UI probably has more to do with the fact that early Android models had poor GPUs to begin with and it's just now that SoCs in Android devices are catching up. Remember, the iPhone has always been ahead of the curve as far as GPUs go, and the iPhone 4S again raised the bar with the SGX543MP2. No Android devices currently shipping matches it.

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Because actual telephony is no longer the primary feature of a mobile device, even if they call it a cell phone.

Don't mistake your opinion for the needs of the entire population. Telephony is #1 for me as my iPhone is my only phone. Obviously though, unlike Aiden's experience, since moving out of the faraday cage I had for a house prior to my current arrangements and getting a 4S (with the new antenna), it has been flawless. The 3GS wasn't as good as my Sony Ericsson, but I still had a landline back then.

Now I'm landline free.

 

[samcraig]

Oh let's be serious. You're the exact same way as him, except on the opposite side. I don't think I've seen a single positive comment from you about anything Apple.

Maybe you should look closer at my post history. And no - I'm nothing like the poster you reference because I don't have anger management issues. I also don't use phrases like "fanboys" and "fandroids" etc because there are better ways to express oneself than to see things in black and white.

 

[w00master]

Yes, I'm truly happy with my old Samsung WinMo phone.

Why?

Because it's a great *telephone*. I've had friends with AT&T Iphones ask to borrow it - because I had 4 bars where they couldn't get the dial tone.

I see so many posts where people say that they love their Iphones, but wish that it did a better job at making and receiving telephone calls.

If your cell phone is crap at making and placing telephone calls - why bother?

"Job 1" should be being a good phone.

I totally respect this. You're using a phone that *you* appreciate and utilize.

You're using technology the way *you* want to.


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Notice Apple and Android fanboys... the world didn't end!

w00master