Apple Admits to Court that Samsung Will Draw More Customers from Android than iOS

[rmwebs]

P'LEEAsSE!!! I can add a battery pack if need be, as for the SD slot, again not enough to sway this IOS user, Silly... anyway I have iCloud. Good luck with the Android sales pitch.

Oh and there are other ways to insure your mobile devices aka 3rd party warranties. ex: Squaretrade.

Ah yes...iCloud. Mine was full approx 30 seconds after activating it on just my iPod. Given Apples terrible cloud speeds and reliability, I wont be paying their excessive prices to upgrade.

If you really want to play that card, on Android you can sync to Google and it doesnt limit you on space or charge you for it. You can also store and sync files on your dropbox account, amazon s3 account, sugarsync, box.net, etc. Even the HP Touchpad allowed syncing with a box.net account.

As far as iCloud goes, its currently very young and very much for the 'I buy Apple only' crowd. At the end of the day, Apples servers are no different from anyone else's, Apple just limits what they can do and charges double.

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Nobody in their right mind.

Android user base consists of people who don't know any better/ignorantly think the iOS and android worlds are one in the same and people who irrationally hate apple.

The former don't bother me, they don't know any better, don't really care and it is good enough for them.

Nice narrow mind you've got there. I've used and still use both iOS and Android.

For me it boils down to this:

iOS - Very slick design, fantastic app store, very 'closed' and limiting.
Android - Inconsistent interface, app store still a little sluggish, however very open allows you to do what you like with it.

Both have pros and cons. Neither is superior.

 

[deputy_doofy]

Being tech savvy doesn't mean you want to spend loads of time making your phone right for you. Phones are still just phones, and all these little tweaks are neat and all, but don't add much to the experience and don't make the phone much more efficient.

Exactly! You think cops want to live in the crappier neighborhoods just because the cost of living is lower? A cop surely knows how to handle the bad elements of the neighborhood and the neighborhood is surely "open" (to any kind of business you may want, including strip clubs, pawn shops, and convenience stores with names you never heard of), but that doesn't mean he wants his personal life to be there.

I support PCs pretty regularly and I'm AMAZED time and again with the stuff the general public perceives as "just part of the way computers are." They can keep thinking it. Keep paying me to fix problems they don't need to have. I'll live in tech-luxury.

 

[layte]

I work in two medical offices and in an obstetrical call group, and every one of the physicians in those three groups (a total of 32 physicians) uses an iPhone (even the one who vowed never to own a smartphone).

Thanks for reminding us all of how uneducated we are.

Explain to me why being a physician would make one an expert in smart phone purchasing?. I would like to think that when somebody in this thread talks about being uneducated it refers to the subject at hand (smart phones) and not their academic background. Or are we saying that being an expert in one field makes you eligible to make sweeping statements about another?

 

[voonyx]

Exactly! You think cops want to live in the crappier neighborhoods just because the cost of living is lower? A cop surely knows how to handle the bad elements of the neighborhood and the neighborhood is surely "open" (to any kind of business you may want, including strip clubs, pawn shops, and convenience stores with names you never heard of), but that doesn't mean he wants his personal life to be there.

I support PCs pretty regularly and I'm AMAZED time and again with the stuff the general public perceives as "just part of the way computers are." They can keep thinking it. Keep paying me to fix problems they don't need to have. I'll live in tech-luxury.

Your sound logic will fall on deaf ears, my friend. To some android users, being able to "hack" (and by hack, I mean cutting and pasting commands) your phone makes you smarter, and somehow makes your phone better.

What they don't realize is that they're being forced to "hack" their phones and flash custom ROMs because they don't perform well stock. I hope ICS and the Nexus can change this (and from the preliminary reviews, it appears it has) but the whole "Apple controls what you do and Android doesn't" crap is really just a juvenile attempt at "I'm better then you!"

 

[PlipPlop]

Your sound logic will fall on deaf ears, my friend. To some android users, being able to "hack" (and by hack, I mean cutting and pasting commands) your phone makes you smarter, and somehow makes your phone better.

What they don't realize is that they're being forced to "hack" their phones and flash custom ROMs because they don't perform well stock. I hope ICS and the Nexus can change this (and from the preliminary reviews, it appears it has) but the whole "Apple controls what you do and Android doesn't" crap is really just a juvenile attempt at "I'm better then you!"

My stock Android roms have always ran perfect my Sensation is running quicker on its stock rom than any iphone, sounds like your getting confused with people having to jailbreak their phones because Apple are slow at problems fixing bugs and security holes.

 

[voonyx]

My stock Android roms have always ran perfect my Sensation is running quicker on its stock rom than any iphone, sounds like your getting confused with people having to jailbreak their phones because Apple are slow at problems fixing bugs and security holes.

Well of course yours have. You're the guy who said that Apple copies Android and then said Android doesn't copy anyone. Obviously, you're not going into this unbiased.

When you deny that android is laggy, that immediately rules you out as saying anything credible in my eyes. Heck, people who have developed for Android say it themselves! But no, your android stock roms have always been lag free and outperform the iPhone...

 

[samcraig]

Well of course yours have. You're the guy who said that Apple copies Android and then said Android doesn't copy anyone. Obviously, you're not going into this unbiased.

When you deny that android is laggy, that immediately rules you out as saying anything credible in my eyes. Heck, people who have developed for Android say it themselves! But no, your android stock roms have always been lag free and outperform the iPhone...

FYI - both iPhones I own and the iPod touch all experience lag at times too.

No OS is infallible.

 

[PlipPlop]

Well of course yours have. You're the guy who said that Apple copies Android and then said Android doesn't copy anyone. Obviously, you're not going into this unbiased.

When you deny that android is laggy, that immediately rules you out as saying anything credible in my eyes. Heck, people who have developed for Android say it themselves! But no, your android stock roms have always been lag free and outperform the iPhone...

My phones never lagged and the performance of my Sensation smashes the iphones I have compared it against.

 

[dgree03]

Well of course yours have. You're the guy who said that Apple copies Android and then said Android doesn't copy anyone. Obviously, you're not going into this unbiased.

When you deny that android is laggy, that immediately rules you out as saying anything credible in my eyes. Heck, people who have developed for Android say it themselves! But no, your android stock roms have always been lag free and outperform the iPhone...

Funny thing is, I just got an 4s to test for work(my wife already has one) and I experience lag at times. I experience crashes(mostly safari).

This is my first time touching an iphone since my 3gs, altho I had an ipad(until earlier this year) and still have an ipod touch 4g. ALL OF THEM LAG.

I have owned an HTC EVO, Thunderbolt, Nexus One. They all had lagging too.. what it comes down to for me, is how does it function? I can simply do more with android than I can with iOS. That doesnt mean I think iOS is crap, I actually like it.. especially if I leave my requirement for a highly functional device at the door step.

 

[voonyx]

Funny thing is, I just got an 4s to test for work(my wife already has one) and I experience lag at times. I experience crashes(mostly safari).

This is my first time touching an iphone since my 3gs, altho I had an ipad(until earlier this year) and still have an ipod touch 4g. ALL OF THEM LAG.

I have owned an HTC EVO, Thunderbolt, Nexus One. They all had lagging too.. what it comes down to for me, is how does it function? I can simply do more with android than I can with iOS. That doesnt mean I think iOS is crap, I actually like it.. especially if I leave my requirement for a highly functional device at the door step.

I never mentioned iOS as not lagging. My original statement was that the reason people "hack" their android phones is because stock android does not perform well and lags. I'm sure iOS lags, but its not comparable to the way android lags (unless you're wearing android colored glasses).

People need to stop getting so defensive when something is said about Android (or iOS). Both are excellent OS's. Being in denial about their flaws is silly. Both lag, of course. Android, quite obviously, lags much much more. Every legitimate reviewer has been saying this about Android for years. Then there's always like 3 guys who say that they've never experienced any lag ever and that their android phones are smoother then the iPhone... not quite.

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My phones never lagged and the performance of my Sensation smashes the iphones I have compared it against.

Yes, again, I'm sure yours don't lag. You were lucky enough to get the one android phone that doesn't lag, and I envy you.

Like I said, I'll take the word of someone who actually had developed for Android over someone who claims their Sensation (really?) doesn't lag and outperforms the iPhone...

 

[samcraig]

People need to stop getting so defensive when something is said about Android (or iOS). Both are excellent OS's. Being in denial about their flaws is silly. Both lag, of course. Android, quite obviously, lags much much more. Every legitimate reviewer has been saying this about Android for years. Then there's always like 3 guys who say that they've never experienced any lag ever and that their android phones are smoother then the iPhone... not quite.

You really need to take a breather. You're also incredibly transparent. You try and come off as unbiased and "telling it like it is" but you aren't remotely unbiased.

"People need to stop getting so defensive when something is said about Android (or iOS). Both are excellent OS's. Being in denial about their flaws is silly. Both lag, of course."

Unbiased.

Followed by your real thrust, "Android, quite obviously, lags much much more. Every legitimate reviewer has been saying this about Android for years. Then there's always like 3 guys who say that they've never experienced any lag ever and that their android phones are smoother then the iPhone... not quite."

You're a piece of work.

 

[deputy_doofy]

I never mentioned iOS as not lagging. My original statement was that the reason people "hack" their android phones is because stock android does not perform well and lags. I'm sure iOS lags, but its not comparable to the way android lags (unless you're wearing android colored glasses).

People need to stop getting so defensive when something is said about Android (or iOS). Both are excellent OS's. Being in denial about their flaws is silly. Both lag, of course. Android, quite obviously, lags much much more. Every legitimate reviewer has been saying this about Android for years. Then there's always like 3 guys who say that they've never experienced any lag ever and that their android phones are smoother then the iPhone... not quite.

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Yes, again, I'm sure yours don't lag. You were lucky enough to get the one android phone that doesn't lag, and I envy you.

Like I said, I'll take the word of someone who actually had developed for Android over someone who claims their Sensation (really?) doesn't lag and outperforms the iPhone...

I see lag all the time in iOS (on my iPhone 4), though it's nothing horrible. My experience with Android is limited, but I test new devices all the time. My biggest gripe to date with Android is that, for all its touting of higher-clocked, multi-core CPUs, touching and dragging a screen still feels like I'm moving a piece of paper over a sandpaper surface. If they cannot make basic UI smooth, that's very telling about how crappy software is on high-powered hardware...

 

[KnightWRX]

You're a piece of work.

He's just here to get a rise out of people. He moves goal posts like there's no tomorrow to drag discussions on and on and on and the more he does, the farther away from the thread topic people get.

That's why he made the cut for my ignore list. Just a suggestion.

 

[voonyx]

I see lag all the time in iOS (on my iPhone 4), though it's nothing horrible. My experience with Android is limited, but I test new devices all the time. My biggest gripe to date with Android is that, for all its touting of higher-clocked, multi-core CPUs, touching and dragging a screen still feels like I'm moving a piece of paper over a sandpaper surface. If they cannot make basic UI smooth, that's very telling about how crappy software is on high-powered hardware...

Absolutely. I have no doubt that iOS lags and can lag. It's software, there's bound to be glitches somewhere. That being said, again, the general consensus of everyone who actually reviews these things for a living is that Android lags more. The Google+ link I posted above is actually quite a good read and breaks down exactly why Android lags far more then WP7 and iOS and webOS. It also states exactly why OEMs are piling on specs, because they almost need to counteract the lag. I mean a quad-core in a freakin' phone?? Please...

It baffles me when people try to say that their Android devices never lag. That's known as straight up lying to yourself.

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He's just here to get a rise out of people. He moves goal posts like there's no tomorrow to drag discussions on and on and on and the more he does, the farther away from the thread topic people get.

That's why he made the cut for my ignore list. Just a suggestion.

Many countries sell the iPhone for free.
Many companies sit on patents for years.

After you were called out on those patently false claims, you put me on your ignore list Talk about moving goalposts...

 

[samcraig]

It baffles me when people try to say that their Android devices never lag. That's known as straight up lying to yourself.

Wrong. Not everyone experiences the same thing. I have plenty of friends that have never had their iPhones lag. But I have and so have many other of my friends.

I am sure there are plenty of people who own Android phones that have never experienced lag. That doesn't make them liars to you or themselves.

A shame you'll never see this post though. At least others will see it and your completely polarized view.

 

[AppleScruff1]

Who's paying the judges and staffs salaries, the taxpayer?

 

[adder7712]

I see lag all the time in iOS (on my iPhone 4), though it's nothing horrible. My experience with Android is limited, but I test new devices all the time. My biggest gripe to date with Android is that, for all its touting of higher-clocked, multi-core CPUs, touching and dragging a screen still feels like I'm moving a piece of paper over a sandpaper surface. If they cannot make basic UI smooth, that's very telling about how crappy software is on high-powered hardware...

I agree some Android devices are poorly optimised *cough*Atrix 4G, LG Optimus II*cough*.

But, HTC and Samsung usually got their UIs right.

As for lag, I experienced lag on my iPad, phone and my Mac. No device is immune from lag.

 

[voonyx]

I agree some Android devices are poorly optimised *cough*Atrix 4G, LG Optimus II*cough*.

But, HTC and Samsung usually got their UIs right.

As for lag, I experienced lag on my iPad, phone and my Mac. No device is immune from lag.

It's all the overlays they put on like Blur and Sense and TouchWiz. Vanilla ICS, has gotten good reviews pretty generally as being mostly lag-free. Heck, even my D1 after overclocking suffers minimal lag.

 

[reefoid]

Funnily enough, the only time my SGS2 lags is when I'm viewing these forums (*cough* sort it out Tapatalk *cough*).

 

[danahn17]

I never mentioned iOS as not lagging. My original statement was that the reason people "hack" their android phones is because stock android does not perform well and lags.

I have a Samsung Galaxy SII and used to have an iPhone. I jailbroke my iPhone but with the Galaxy SII, I'm running it stock because it DOES perform well. Yes it lags, but so did the iPhone. Some things the Android did better and others, the iPhone did better. But I certainly wouldn't paint with broad strokes about how sucky the Android OS is.

 

[etrinh]

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Android fan boy here

Of course, samsung makes way better stuf than apple. Only props to apple though as they get more sales from uneducated tech free people. Thats one thing I like about Apple, they have built up reputation for their friendly UI that just works because it's simple and easy to use.

Android on the other hand of course it's somewhat Identical (exactly the same for texting/calling) but for like gaming, benchmarks/performance, mod/hack/customization. Props goes out to android for all that jazz but the thing is that people are so "Use to" apple's way of selling stuff from their ads that they feel norm to them so the "uneducated people" usually go out to buy the apple products.

Then theres those hardcore apple fans who are tech educated and will back up apple, not gonna blame them...

Anyways, if Apple droped their limitations while keeping the friendly UI they always have had, I'm sure they'll boost in sales. Until that day, Android will always rule on the mod/hack/customization area. If you don't believe me on customization search up custom rom, beautiful widget/fancy widget, adw launcher/go launcher, etc. All that stuf except custom rom you don't even need to hack your phone to do so unlike iphone/pod/pad and even then the themes you download off (certain sites or source that i wont mention) are pretty crappy and too much effort to do.

let the spazz/flame begin lol...

Android rules

This is why people love Apple so much. Your attitude that "uneducated" people flock to Apple and that "educated" people love Android is exactly the reason. You have a superiority complex. The average consumer doesn't like to feel dumb. Apple doesn't make them feel dumb. Apple makes them feel welcome. And that is why Apple is succeeding currently.

 

[w00master]

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This is why people love Apple so much. Your attitude that "uneducated" people flock to Apple and that "educated" people love Android is exactly the reason. You have a superiority complex. The average consumer doesn't like to feel dumb. Apple doesn't make them feel dumb. Apple makes them feel welcome. And that is why Apple is succeeding currently.

Yet notice the comments from the Apple fanboys there after... using the same insults but in the reverse way. Is that right too?

Nope.


Isn't anyone else tired of iOS vs. Android? I am. Just like I was tired of PC vs. Mac, sometimes I wish people would freakin' grow up and accept people's choices for what they use technology for.

As for lawsuits/patents/etc.? I REALLY COULD CARE LESS. This is Apple's, HTC, Samsung, Google, etc.'s problem. Not mine, it ONLY becomes MY problem if companies restrict a product that I would like to purchase.

This hasn't happened to me yet.

w00master

 

[iEvolution]

Yet notice the comments from the Apple fanboys there after... using the same insults but in the reverse way. Is that right too?

Nope.


Isn't anyone else tired of iOS vs. Android? I am. Just like I was tired of PC vs. Mac, sometimes I wish people would freakin' grow up and accept people's choices for what they use technology for.

As for lawsuits/patents/etc.? I REALLY COULD CARE LESS. This is Apple's, HTC, Samsung, Google, etc.'s problem. Not mine, it ONLY becomes MY problem if companies restrict a product that I would like to purchase.

This hasn't happened to me yet.

w00master

*couldn't, just saying.

 

[w00master]

*couldn't, just saying.

LOL!!!! Thanks for correcting me

w00master

 

[apolloa]

So Apple admits that one of the key points it is using against Samsung is flawed? That's how I'm reading this.
I would say Apple has no case, if they think Samsung poses no threat to Apple's growth or customer base, then it all comes down to the design of the devices, and I can easily tell the different between an iPad and Galaxy Tab. The OS's are also different. But no doubt these cases will drag on through next year and beyond