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Fitness tracking I think is one of the problems, it's constantly using the battery with all the sensors working all the time regardless if the displays on or not.

This is a good point. What if we don't give a crap about fitness tracking? I wonder if we can turn all of that stuff off to save battery?

Personally, I want it for notifications and quick replies to messages... with a little bit of App usage here and there and more convenient Apple Pay to boot. Fitness tracking is interesting... but I'm not really a fitness dude and would be fine without it...
 
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What is it that you think Retina is? Why would people who need the highest pixel density not care about the highest pixel density?

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You think it's a good idea to look like you're in shackles to get a few extra hours of battery on a watch?

Retina is a fancy term for "higher resolution on a smaller screen."
 
What is it that you think Retina is? Why would people who need the highest pixel density not care about the highest pixel density?

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You think it's a good idea to look like you're in shackles to get a few extra hours of battery on a watch?

Hey don't knock it till you try it! You might need those extra couple hours with how crappy the battery life is going to be! But shouldn't you be more worried about what people are going to think of you when they see that huge brick of a watch on your wrist? Or just the fact that it's an apple watch at all? If I see anyone with an apple watch, I'm laughing at them, in person, in public, I don't care. The apple watch is the most ridiculous thing apple has ever made, the ipad being number one since it's just a giant ipod touch.
 
Fitness tracking I think is one of the problems, it's constantly using the battery with all the sensors working all the time regardless if the displays on or not.

Nope, it's not.

Watches like Basis Peak and the Fitbit Surge will last 4 to 6 days and track real time pulse, as well as sleep, steps, etc..

The Withings Activité Pop has a replaceable battery which lasts 8 months!

If the Apple Watch cannot last more than 4 hours with the screen on, or more than 19 hours in "mixed" use, it means it's worse than most Android watches and is basically useless as a tracker.

Apple should not embarrass itself until this thing is better baked.
 
Did I read this correctly? If your use is solely as a watch, meaning leaving the watch face on but no other operations, you only get 3 hours of battery life? I really wouldn't want a watch whose face goes to sleep and has to be woken up. This is a basic function of a watch. The face should be able to at stay on all day(working day not 24 hours). It's not about having to do whatever action to wake it up but rather a fashion/typical watch type of deal. I understand this watch does way more than just tell time, and I would use it for more as well..... But it has to AT LEAST be good at being just a watch BEFORE adding anything else. If it can't even be a good watch alone, what's the point? I'm really hoping I read that 3 hours wrong with the watch face on.
 
You seem to be completely ignoring people who actually.. kinda do. What I mean by that is what about the frequent traveler. Many journeys across the globe can take upwards of 24 hours between catching flights, the flight itself lay overs etc. Point is, you can find yourself many times in situations where it is not realistic or convenient to pause to tie your arm to the closet power plug you can find to charge your watch, all the while staring at said watch in desperation as you see your boarding time drawing near.

That's just one example. Long bus trips is another.. etc etc.

And the watch will be fine if you glance at it 5 times to check the time and see a few alerts.

If you want to play wo w fr on it for 24 hours straight you are screwed. You must have an iPhone to use the watch in the first place so this limitation is not nearly as extreme as some are pretending.

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19 hours is not exceptional. At all. And the time it takes to charge is irrelevant if you're not in a place you can charge it.

Unlike your phone, it will require its own dock to charge. That means if you're stuck in an airport for 20 hours, your watch isn't getting charged. it means that this product is going to be a non-starter for many people who know they are frequently away from home base for more than a day.

The same does apply for other smartwatches too who have the same < 1 day battery life.

I was just recently on a european trip. My flight from Amsterdam to Copenhagen got cancelled. My phone battery died. I was stuck in the airport then running around amsterdam for an additional day with no hotel or home to plug anything in. My watch though, kept me going with the time. I never had to think about it. thats the purpose of a good quality watch. that and fashion.

neither the Apple watch is going to hit. This is going to put it into the same category as every other 1 day smart watch maker. Your average geek will wear it. but thats about it.

You clearly did not comprehend the article with your fantasy trips to the airport.

You can live in the airport for 24 hours and your watch will be fine. Plus if you are stuck in an airport for 24 hours you literally have nothing better to do then charge your watch.

There is literally not a better or more appropriate place and time to recharge your watch then when in an airport.

People do it with their laptops and phones. Why would you travel without the charger for your watch?

So actually you point out the best possible time to charge an apple watch and act like it is impossible.

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But are you going to carry your watch power dock with you?

When traveling lol? Yes

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The race for worst case scenario's is on!

The Apple Watch is for full-on participants in a connected world - - if I'm going to be marooned on a desert island, I'll stick with a waterproof, self-winding Rolex.

I am shocked there is no electricity in Amsterdam.
 
And why would people who work with high resolution media all the time NOT care about that?

Look, I'm not going to argue with you, ok? The only people who care about "retina" displays are people with apple computers. Nobody else cares. It's totally overhyped like everything apple does. Apple doesn't even make their own displays. They don't even make anything themselves except for the outer casing.

Android phones have more ppi than the iphone anyway. "Retina" is just a marketing gimmick.

Actually, a lot of professional video/photo editors are turning AWAY from apple because final cut pro is a complete joke now. It's almost as dumbed down as garageband, which is pretty sad.
 
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Look, I'm not going to argue with you, ok? The only people who care about "retina" displays are people with apple computers. Nobody else cares. It's totally overhyped like everything apple does. Apple doesn't even make their own displays. They don't even make anything themselves except for the outer casing.

Android phones have more ppi than the iphone anyway. "Retina" is just a marketing gimmick.

Actually, a lot of professional video/photo editors are turning AWAY from apple because final cut pro is a complete joke now. It's almost as dumbed down as garageband, which is pretty sad.

Err, first you say that no one else cares about high resolutions, then you point out that other phones have high resolutions...
 
Err, first you say that no one else cares about high resolutions, then you point out that other phones have high resolutions...

Jesus christ! The retina display may have been cool back in 2010 when the iphone 4 was released but all the other manufacturers have done higher ppi while apple still lags behind like with everything else. EVERYTHING ELSE!!!!

I didn't say that nobody cares about higher resolution, I said nobody cares about "retina" displays except for apple users. Other phones have "retina" display but they don't advertise it as a "retina" display.

Besides, Steve Jobs himself said that the human eye cannot perceive more than around 300ppi so anything more is just a marketing gimmick.
 
Since Retina is just a marketing term for high ppi, you're pretty much arguing with yourself.

Oh yet apple uses these marketing gimmicks to attract their loyal religious customers into buying their products? Apple is nothing but a marketing company. They're good at marketing, nothing else. They like to make people think they need their products when in reality they don't. Everything they sell is overhyped and glorified. They know they can get away with it because their loyal customers will buy anything they sell.

Apple customers are the one's getting a hard on over retina displays, not android users. We actually know about technology.
 
Okay. So I'm typing this on a "retina" macbook pro because of marketing. Here I was thinking a machine with a high ppi screen that scales fonts and all applications perfectly, with a great multi-touch trackpad that works consistently, a stable operating system that in practice is safe from crapware and viruses, is stable, and provides a real *nix command line, all the while giving me 12 hours of battery life in some scenarios.. here I was thinking this was a solid machine. Now I know it was all in the marketing.
 
Jesus christ! The retina display may have been cool back in 2010 when the iphone 4 was released but all the other manufacturers have done higher ppi while apple still lags behind like with everything else. EVERYTHING ELSE!!!!

I didn't say that nobody cares about higher resolution, I said nobody cares about "retina" displays except for apple users. Other phones have "retina" display but they don't advertise it as a "retina" display.

Besides, Steve Jobs himself said that the human eye cannot perceive more than around 300ppi so anything more is just a marketing gimmick.

The amount of detail the eye can perceive is relative to distance. Job's claim was based on a distance of 12 inches from the display. I don't really know what this has to do with the Apple Watch though, since its display has roughly the same PPI as the iPhone 4 that Job's was touting.

And of course other companies don't use "retina". It's a marketing term developed by Apple!
 
Apple customers are the one's getting a hard on over retina displays, not android users. We actually know about technology.

You're on a roll. I hold an Honours degree in computing and have 15 years experience as a developer and systems admin. Yet Apple users don't know about technology.

Do you have any more generalisations up your sleeve?
 
You're on a roll. I hold an Honours degree in computing and have 15 years experience as a developer and systems admin. Yet Apple users don't know about technology.

Do you have any more generalisations up your sleeve?

Well if you were smart you would know that I don't mean "everyone." Jeese. Other than the .1% of apple users who know about tech, most do NOT. I mean, let's get real here, we all know apple markets their crap to people who are computer illiterate. They've ALWAYS marketed to those people since the dawn of apple time.

Here's a technology lesson: "retina" displays use IPS technology and they're made by LG.

What do most people do on their macs? Internet, email, facebook, twitter? Oh yah, that retina display is really useful! Yah let's pay an extra $200 for something we A. Don't even use, and B. Can't even notice when doing a blind test.

So, the ipad has a "retina" display but my galaxy s3's display is way better than my roommate's ipad. I watched the same 1080 video on youtube testing them out. The galaxy was way better.
 
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There's no point in having a 25 hour battery, or for that matter a 36 hour battery.

There is if you are on a 20 hour flight

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Anyone expecting Apple to transcend the laws of physics has a problem bigger than a watch will solve.

19 hours is exceptional! Combine this with a battery that is so small that it will likely take an hour or less to fully recharge, and you've got a state of the art wearable computer. Pop it on the charger while you have your morning shower and forget about it till the next morning.

Our sources say that Apple is targeting 2.5 hours of "heavy" application use, such as processor-intensive gameplay, or 3.5 hours of standard app use. Interestingly, Apple expects to see better battery life when using the Watch's fitness tracking software, which is targeted for nearly 4 hours of straight exercise tracking on a single charge.
 
There is if you are on a 20 hour flight

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Our sources say that Apple is targeting 2.5 hours of "heavy" application use, such as processor-intensive gameplay, or 3.5 hours of standard app use. Interestingly, Apple expects to see better battery life when using the Watch's fitness tracking software, which is targeted for nearly 4 hours of straight exercise tracking on a single charge.

It seems like it shouldn't be a watch at all, just a fitness tracking device. It sure doesn't have the battery power to be used like an actual watch.
 
Apple is nothing but a marketing company. They're good at marketing, nothing else. [...] Everything they sell is overhyped and glorified. They know they can get away with it because their loyal customers will buy anything they sell.

Apple customers are the one's getting a hard on over retina displays, not android users. We actually know about technology.
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Let me get this straight: You are basically calling millions of satisfied Apple customers religious idiots who have no idea what they are buying, because they simply fell for Apple's marketing. Because Apple's products are garbage and the people in the know - like yourself - stay clear of it.
Yet you proudly list your (older) Apple products in your signature, which seem to work still fine and service you well after all this years. :rolleyes:
 
Well if you were smart you would know that I don't mean "everyone." Jeese.
Exactly.

Here's a technology lesson: "retina" displays use IPS technology and they're made by LG.
What does it matter who makes the display? It'd be pretty stupid of me to not choose a mac because Apple didn't make the display.

What do most people do on their macs? Internet, email, facebook, twitter? Oh yah, that retina display is really useful! Yah let's pay an extra $200 for something we A. Don't even use, and B. Can't even notice when doing a blind test.
The value of a retina display is subjective. Personally, I value being able to run at 1680x1050 on a 13" display. I find it easier on the eyes. Am I wrong?

So, the ipad has a "retina" display but my galaxy s3's display is way better than my roommate's ipad. I watched the same 1080 video on youtube testing them out.
Who exactly are you arguing with? High definition is better than low definition, whether marketed as 'retina' or not. If your non-Apple display is better than a 'retina' display, then good for you. Enjoy your device.
 
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