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Apple Already Nearing Golden Master Candidate Versions of Mac OS X Lion?

Cougarcat said:
I use Spotlight, but Launchpad is terribly inefficient compared to stacks. You have to click on its icon to invoke it, hunt through potentially a bunch of different screens, click on a folder if you've organized your apps, and then click on your app. With stacks, I move my cursor down to the dock, click on the appropriate stack, and then click on my app. 2 clicks vs a button press, a bunch of swipes, hunting, and 2 more clicks.
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Yes but, with stacks, I often have to do a lot of scrolling to find the app in my applications folder because I haven't spent the time to organise it all into folders. With launchpad, I would have every app in a folder (probably) so I would probably have only 1-3 pages. For me the number of clicks will be the same for the apps that I store in folders already, just with less scrolling:
Stacks: click the stack, scroll to the folder, click the folder, click the app.
Launchpad: click launchpad, swipe to the correct page (if necessary), click the folder, click the app.
I think it will be easier to find apps in launchpad because of the easy use of folders and the fact that it is fullscreen.
 
PBF said:
As soon as MBA gets a multitouch display, I'm ditching my iPad. haha
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Yeah, I'd love to get smudges on my matte 15" MBP. Oh, right, that's why Apple wants everyone to go over to ubergloss...
 
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furi0usbee said:
Because Windows is bloatware. I don't want my Mac OS to be able to run **** 10 years old. This only hampers innovation by having to spend time making sure all the old stuff doesn't break. Move on my friend. I can probably use XP to print to a 15 year old dot matrix printer.
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Hmmm, do you have a job that involves computers? If so, could that job be described as "Web 2.0"-something?

'Cos if it is, then your opinion is worthless to me. Remember some people need to run software that actually designs all the stuff you use. And that software costs more than your car.
 
I must be the only one that is ho-hum about Lion. I'd get more excited about a further optimized version of Snow Leopard. If Lion improves on Snow Leopard - in terms of performance, stability, and just added some of the features that people have been clamoring for for a while - like an improved Finder - etc. I'd be completely content.

Maybe it's because I'm a relatively new switcher - but I don't want to see something broken - that's really starting to get a nice polish. And I definitely don't want the OS on my MBP to have much in common with IOS. But that's just me. :eek:
 
EightmanVT said:
I must be the only one that is ho-hum about Lion. I'd get more excited about a further optimized version of Snow Leopard. If Lion improves on Snow Leopard - in terms of performance, stability, and just added some of the features that people have been clamoring for for a while - like an improved Finder - etc. I'd be completely content.

Maybe it's because I'm a relatively new switcher - but I don't want to see something broken - that's really starting to get a nice polish. And I definitely don't want the OS on my MBP to have much in common with IOS. But that's just me. :eek:
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A redesigned finder would be ideal, although don't hold your breath. There too busy implementing the great "brand" new features like autosave and full screen applictions.
 
brewno said:
I tested Lion, and removed it after a month. Not buying it. I'll use Snow Leopard, it's the best OS so far. I'll see the one after Lion, maybe there will be something interesting.
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That's how I feel. Nothing all that great about Lion really, I'll just wait for whatever comes after it.
 
Tears Apart said:
*roar*

bring it on, i'm ready
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The only roar heard will be within the confines of the bean counters cage at Apple.

This is the declawed version designed to turn over the reigns to the iToy division. Pads Pods & Phones are where Apples head it at. It's all about headlines, money and mainstream Walmart and Best Buy retailing.
 
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tkingart said:
The only thing I don't like in Lion (based on screenshots I've seen) are the "flat gray scroll bars" adopted from iOS, this going back to 2d seems like back pedaling. I think something between flat and 3d would actually work, like get rid of the rounded center, flatten it but keep the edges soft and shaded, keeping the scroll bar wells the same. I suspect it's being flattened because of possible support for touch screens.

I understand the need for simplicity and streamlining, but where we lack tactile feedback, 3d helps with the illusion of depth, take that away and it will look like a devolving interface. Look at the OS X dock for instance, I was elated when it became three dimensional, now imagine if they made it flat again (permanently). I'm sure it may be a preferential thing, but I don't think I'm alone in preferring the 3d dock view.

We need to keep pushing forward with three dimensions in UI designs. It would be really cool to see some forward thinking UI changes like the ability to "push" running applications into the inside quad of a cylindrical shape that can be rotated with gestures.

The flat scroll bar belongs in Folder > Grid views and preview, looks alright there. :)
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The reason they are flat is to make them understated, so as to emphasize your content. The reason we have depth and drop shadows on windows is also for this purpose. Almost all Apple's recent UI tweaks are an attempt to do this (such as the removal of color in sidebar icons. I disagree with that choice though.)

The 3D dock has the opposite effect. It's so gaudy with all those reflections it distracts from content. The first thing I do on a new OS install is enable the 2D dock.
 
G4DP said:
A redesigned finder would be ideal, although don't hold your breath. There too busy implementing the great "brand" new features like autosave and full screen applictions.
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Autosave on OS level? YES
Full screen applications on OS level? YES

As for the redesigned finder: why does everything has to be redesigned? Are you looking for something shiny to make you content that there was a revamp?

Finder in Mac OS X Lion has a lot of other features with respect to arrangement, management and a better coverflow system.

You wish you could write a sample finder software and explain apple to make it better keeping it simple and elegant. But? NO.
 
LarryC said:
The short answer is no. There are always different types of installation. One is called archive and install. You really should have your things backed up to another hard drive or to disc just in case anything goes wrong. Actually everybody "should" have all of their data backed up to a reliable source at all times.
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I have a Time Machine disk, a weekly disk image, and a Carbonite backup. Might be enough to recover from anything.
 
ThunderSkunk said:
I distinctly remember watching that first keynote when they made their dev program available, and walked us through the iPhone dev tools, and seeing an OS X On-screen emulator, that would let you code and test your apps as you wrote them right there in OS X, with a big clumsy dot for a "fingertip"...

If they'll run in that emulator, isn't it conceivable that in some way, your iOS apps would find a way, using that emulator layer, to look something like dashboard, to run in both environments?
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What you saw is the simulator. It's part of the development tools. Every iOS developer can run their apps in the simulator. But keep this in mind - it's a simulator, not an emulator. You have to compile for the simulator, and that compile won't work on an iOS device, and iOS apps won't work on the simulator because they were compiled for a different architecture.

Also, the simulator doesn't behave exactly like the iOS device. Developers will notice this too, that in many cases the behaviour is close, but not the same. The simulator also doesn't have the same hardware features such as gyroscope and accelerometer. So, no, this is not a solution. And why would you want an iOS app over a native MacOS App anyway?
 
price.

of course lion will be distributed SOLELY through the mac map store. and this inturn will mean LOWER pricing for the product. no packaging no plastic wrap no scratched cd's. that too costs money.

BTW why else do you think apple went through the effort of pushing the MAC APP store out before the lion update. everyone needs it to for the lion os. thats how apple plans to distribute it.
 
roadbloc said:
By saying that you clearly misunderstand the idea of a legacy app. Say I have an old PPC game that I still enjoy to play. Why on earth would the dev want to update the old game to work in intel, especially if the dev is busy with new and more profitable endeavours?
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Gaming is arguably better on Windows anyway. Steam on Windows for gaming FTW! Of course, Steam has been available on Mac for a while now. But I, for one, like keeping my fun and more serious computing environments separated.
 
Tshapi said:
of course lion will be distributed SOLELY through the mac map store. and this inturn will mean LOWER pricing for the product. no packaging no plastic wrap no scratched cd's. that too costs money.

BTW why else do you think apple went through the effort of pushing the MAC APP store out before the lion update. everyone needs it to for the lion os. thats how apple plans to distribute it.
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Because they are greedy b******'s and couldn't wait for the money. It has nothing to do with distribution of Apple Software. If it was they would have removed all boxed software from Stores and resellers, like they do when a new OS is released.
 
dethmaShine said:
Autosave on OS level? YES
Full screen applications on OS level? YES

As for the redesigned finder: why does everything has to be redesigned? Are you looking for something shiny to make you content that there was a revamp?

Finder in Mac OS X Lion has a lot of other features with respect to arrangement, management and a better coverflow system.

You wish you could write a sample finder software and explain apple to make it better keeping it simple and elegant. But? NO.
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If that is the case then great, they have finally got it working as it should. Hopefully they don't drop the improvements as things move along.

Although I can't take anyone who quotes the Megadeath lyrics in their seriously.
 
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The finder was rewritten for Snow Leopard. It doesn't need to be redesigned. I wouldn't mind some Path Finder-style features, though, like tabbed browsing and split view.
 
Cougarcat said:
I use Spotlight, but Launchpad is terribly inefficient compared to stacks. You have to click on its icon to invoke it, hunt through potentially a bunch of different screens, click on a folder if you've organized your apps, and then click on your app. With stacks, I move my cursor down to the dock, click on the appropriate stack, and then click on my app. 2 clicks vs a button press, a bunch of swipes, hunting, and 2 more clicks.
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You could use a gesture to invoke Launchpad (and don't you need to click on a Stack to invoke it as well?). Is hunting through a bunch of potentially different screens different from scrolling a lot with stacks? Also with Launchpad it's 2 clicks, not all what you wrote.
 
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