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When did this thread become just pictures of cats? :confused:

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Hmmm

...and so it begins

Debate topics to look forward to

11. Can pressing the green button finally make the screen fully maximize.

Not sure if you know this but the green button was never intended to maximize your window. This is something you probably used to from Windows.
Green button on a mac fits the size of a window according to its content, in some cases it will make it smaller and in others, bigger.

Try opening Finder with 30 Folders in it and press Green Button, it will resize the window so you see all 30 folders (if possible) and if thre's two folders it will make the window smaller to show you just the two folders.

There's no need for full screen windows. :apple:Mac initial philosophy was efficiency and multi-tasking.
 
I am ready for Mac OS ELEVEN! I can't wait until they completely overhaul the OS again, like they did with Mac OS 8, or with Mac OS X over OS 9. Something completely different, something completely new. We have been stuck with the same practical OS for almost 10 years now! Well, I guess if something works, you don't fix it? Seems to be Apple's Philosophy...stay with OS X as long as they can, they have something stable here.
 
Changes to the boot process? Hmmmmm. It seems kind of obvious to me why they would want to change how a Mac boots in the future so as to keep anyone from hacking reasonable priced hardware to run OSX. Don't be surprised if your brand new Macbook won't work with 10.7 in favor of getting rid of the Hackintoshes. They killed my PowerMac with 10.6 for no other reason than to force more hardware sales sooner, so it certainly wouldn't surprise me at this point. Dont' worry, though. I mean you'll have had your new Mac for 2 years by then and that's more than enough use to justify the prices Apple charges. It's time to upgrade! Besides, Snow Leopard will still be usable on your Mac just like OS9 still works on some older Macs! I'm sure software developers won't immediately abandon making updates for that version of the operating system. They'll at least continue for a few months, anyway. It'll be nothing to get upset about. :rolleyes:

launchd isn't about that part of the boot process. It is about launching services in user land after the kernel has booted. This change seems like it is closing a possible security hole with launchd, nothing more. Considering Apple hasn't made any PowerMacs for 4 years now, you are probably getting a tad overexcited. 4-5 years is the life span of OS support from Apple. Has been for awhile.

With what 10.6 adds, odds are you'll be able to do okay until 10.7 comes out before apps start forcing you to switch to Intel and newer versions of the OS.
 
Good, and 10.7 needs to be on a short release cycle. Finish refining the changes made in 10.6, fix bugs, improve APIs, and maybe roll out a UI improvement... But let's see if Apple will finally correct one of MacOS's longest standing, biggest problem, most annoying issues of all time - sucky graphics drivers/support.

I expect full latest-version OpenGL support, massive improvements in GPU acceleration, full SLI/Crossfire type of capabilities, and full support for nearly any recent generation graphics card on the market. At a minimum the current line of the majors - nVidia, ATI and Matrox should be supported.

I am so sick of lackluster graphics support on the platform that is supposed to be the graphics king. It is beyond annoying, approaching criminal, that I can't just run down to the store, buy a shinny new ATI 5870 or an nVidia GTX 295 and pop it into my Mac Pro and just have it work. Heck, nVidia has a unified Linux driver that works with 90% of their current cards. If nVidia can do it for the wild west of operating systems, Apple can certainly man up and write a dang driver for their tightly controlled OS.

Only half the ball is in Apple's court here. As Apple moved entirely to EFI and related technologies, you can't just slap a card in a Mac and expect it to work for your primary monitor, even if there was a driver for it. EFI uses the UGA spec to talk to the card before the OS boots. Because EFI is only used on a handful of systems currently because OEMs can't seem to quit BIOS (some Itanium servers and Apple hardware)... you don't see many cards even attempting to put in the UGA firmware, let alone having a ROM chip big enough to hold it.

And just because nVidia can have a driver at launch for Linux, doesn't mean they are sharing the retail cards with Apple or helping with the driver for their retail cards (which does need to happen, or nobody winds up writing the driver). Historically, ATi has been responsible for making driver changes to support their retail cards.

Drivers are only half the story of Mac support.
 
Actually, it makes W7 more like Mac OS 7 - gotta love the way they cling to the past with those legacy relics: The Registry, DLLs, BIOS, DRM, etc...

That my friend is why Windows is a dying OS-it will because of these things, be forever locked in the mid 20th century- a has been, antiquated;
It will soon be left FAR behind no matter how many times they change the colors schemes on XP v3

Unlike Mac you are not going to see windows switch o a Unix foundation-they are not likely to invent a new system from scratch like BEOS or OS2
Theyll just keep selling a system built with The Registry, DLLs, BIOS, DRM, etc and like 56k modems Windows will become totally irellevant.

the 21st century will become increasingly unkind to Windows as it starts to grow long in the tooth as an OS
They have peaked and now are on a slow but steady downhill slide-while apple rises
 
Am I the only one out there who would like to see windows finally get the ability to be resized from ANY PLACE, not just the bottom right-hand corner?!?

I also expect (or at least strongly hope) 10.7 to be fully 64bit top to bottom.
10.6 is 64 bit top to bottom, it just doesn't boot into the 64 bit kernel by default for compatibility.
As all my printer and scanner drivers are 64 bit, I can run the 64 bit kernel. And guess what? It makes no difference. Moreover nearly all the system apps are.

The finder icon in the dock looks dorky, they really need to come up with something more visually appealing.
Heretic! I really hope they don't. Macs used to boot with the Happy Mac screen. We'd be losing some tradition.

Please give me an option not to have unified menus!! When I have two apps side by side I want to go back and forth between them without remembering 1000 key strokes or constantly clicking in on focus.
This in no way relates to where the menu bars are?

Unified menus especially suck on large 30 inch monitors. After using macs for 4 years, this is my biggest issue with them. How hard would it be to attach a menu to top of each app instead of the top bar?
Do you mean at the top of each Window, not the top of each app…?

The multi monitor issue could be solved by mirroring just the menu bar (but not the screen) on the second monitor.

The “Windows” way of doing things has its flaws as well (particularly for windowless apps, or apps you want to run (occasionally) without a Window.

Two examples:
Spotify Music Player:
- On the Mac close Spotify window. It will stay running and sit in the dock, playing your music.
- On Windows close the Spotify window. Because the Window is gone a tray icon has to be created, then a pop up comes up to tell you the player is still running and you can use the tray icon.

Firefox Download:
- On the Mac you are downloading a file using Firefox so close all windows bar the downloads window. You can easily use command + N to create a new window (and your other shortcuts).
- On Windows because only the downloads window is open, you have no menus, so you have to find another way of getting up a new window.

If people are going to accept the Mac zooming behaviour is inconsistent then I feel we must also accept Windows windowing behaviour is very inconsistent. It's just that lots of people have got used to it. Esp as the Win 7 task bar groups by apps by default now, it's even more of a muddle.


Likely you'll have a preference for what you are used to, but there are clear advantages to Apple's approach. And I haven't originally mentioned the reason why menus were placed at the top of the screen i.e. Fitts's law).
 
They killed my PowerMac with 10.6 for no other reason than to force more hardware sales sooner, so it certainly wouldn't surprise me at this point.

Apple quit development of Mac OS X for PowerPC because they had to devote an entire team just to the PPC-side of the coding. It took up too many resources and Apple saw it pointless to develop two versions of the Mac OS when the PowerPC hardware had been abandoned since 2005 with the G5. Leopard and Tiger will still run 100% of Mac OS X Applications and OS 10.6 is just a bunch of bells and whistles and fine system tweaks in my opinion. It is nothing major. The operating system to have is 10.4.11 or above, anything above 10.4.11 will let you run 99% of everything OS X. My dad runs his law practice on an iMac (white, 2006) running 10.4.11 and he refuses to upgrade to Leopard or Snow Leopard, he doesn't see the point of upgrading when everything runs fine, and doesn't want to take the risk of tampering with his system, given he's got thousands of client files on there. I realize that if everything is backed up that the upgrade should go OK, but there are no new features in Leopard OR Snow Leopard that are essential over Tiger. Like I said, bells, whistles, system tweaks, interface changes, Time machine....that's about it.
 
Only half the ball is in Apple's court here. As Apple moved entirely to EFI and related technologies, you can't just slap a card in a Mac and expect it to work for your primary monitor, even if there was a driver for it. EFI uses the UGA spec to talk to the card before the OS boots. Because EFI is only used on a handful of systems currently because OEMs can't seem to quit BIOS (some Itanium servers and Apple hardware)... you don't see many cards even attempting to put in the UGA firmware, let alone having a ROM chip big enough to hold it.

And just because nVidia can have a driver at launch for Linux, doesn't mean they are sharing the retail cards with Apple or helping with the driver for their retail cards (which does need to happen, or nobody winds up writing the driver). Historically, ATi has been responsible for making driver changes to support their retail cards.

Drivers are only half the story of Mac support.

I hear it's possible to install special kexts to allow OS X to "see" non-efi video cards and to use them properly.

See: using BIOS-based video cards in hackintoshes.
 
Apple quit development of Mac OS X for PowerPC because they had to devote an entire team just to the PPC-side of the coding. It took up too many resources and Apple saw it pointless to develop two versions of the Mac OS when the PowerPC hardware had been abandoned since 2005 with the G5. Leopard and Tiger will still run 100% of Mac OS X Applications and OS 10.6 is just a bunch of bells and whistles and fine system tweaks in my opinion.

No no. They did it to make Magnus buy new hardware. I have a friend on the PA Semi team, and he heard from a guy that they have a weekly "screw with Magnus" meeting in the OS group.
 
Green button on a mac fits the size of a window according to its content, in some cases it will make it smaller and in others, bigger.

Try opening Finder with 30 Folders in it and press Green Button, it will resize the window so you see all 30 folders (if possible) and if thre's two folders it will make the window smaller to show you just the two folders.

That's the theory, but in practice the green button seems to random-size a window. Sometimes it does in fact right-size, while other times it just seems to pick a random size that is no more help than the previous one. Sometimes you get lucky and get a result that makes sense. Many other times... WTF did it do?

In Mac OS 9 (and 8 and I think 7) the right-size button worked beautifully. It really right-sized the window. However, ever the move to OS X, the green button has seemed like its only purpose is to complete the color scheme of the red and yellow buttons.
 
I hear it's possible to install special kexts to allow OS X to "see" non-efi video cards and to use them properly.

See: using BIOS-based video cards in hackintoshes.

Aha, and that's the exception that helps prove the rule, interestingly enough. See, as I said before, the driver is only half of it (and existing drivers may work for existing cards, but who gets to pay for the QA and bugfix work for those cards? If nobody is paying for it, that's why it is disabled by default).

BIOS-based video cards work in hackintoshes just fine, well, because they use BIOS to boot. ;)

And once the OS is loaded, UGA vs BIOS firmware is moot, the driver takes over. But there is a snowball's chance in hell to get an unflashed BIOS-based video card to drive your primary monitor in the pre-boot environment, or before the video driver loads. So if I replace my supported 8800GT with an unsupported, newer card that doesn't have UGA firmware on it, I can't select my boot drive without a monitor attached to a supported card.

That's a pretty big blocker right there, IMO. As big as the lack of driver support.
 
-crossfire for ATI cards
-trim/garbage collection for SSD drives
-cut/paste of files in finder
-add to instead of replacing a folder when pasting a folder over an existing one with the same name

Those are the only features I can think of that I really want.

Although, lower ram usage would be really nice. OS X is becoming a ram hog.
 
Is seems there’s no love for Aqua around here sometimes. I don’t think it needs to last forever; it’s had a good run. Of course Aqua’s evolved a little bit over the decade. It started out rubberized/pinstriped and then went to the brushed metal look. Incidentally this is how the hardware evolved too.

But for future changes, what I’m seeing with iTunes 9 I don’t like. It looks flat, dead, and more XP like. Not only is the look of it inconsistent in the context of the whole OS, the look is inconsistent within the application itself. I think it’s the wrong direction.

OSX really should act as a consistent GUI manager, and I’m surprised it doesn’t. I would have thought that Apple with its penchant for control, aesthetics, simplicity, and usability would have been on this already. One possibility would be to have a system preference where the user can choose the look they want, Rubber Aqua, Metal Aqua, Marble, Other, but I don’t see Apple allowing for such choices.

Of course we could be in for a GUI paradigm shift. I think the OSX and iPhone OS will likely converge if not totally, to a much greater degree.

There is also no love for Finder around here. I have to admit that when I reconverted to Mac from XP I found it atrocious compared to Explorer. Now I have to say I much prefer it, and I don’t know what Vista did, but it has made Explorer almost unusable for me. I would be satisfied with a couple of small tweaks to Finder, like cut/paste, and shift select allowing you to backtrack if you overshoot your selection like in Windows.

Unless we’re going to undergo a paradigm change here too, then I for one, from a user perspective, don’t know why there should be a difference between folders and files. They should be both/neither. Also it would be interesting if Finder could act like a wiki as well as a file manager.
 
I believe they already have Lion reserved.

Reserved? You mean trademarked. :confused: The only trademarks I could fine were for Cougar and Lynx along with Panther, Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard.

Looks like Lynx and Cougar have been abandoned. Although I’m sure you can get them back.

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/jumpto?f=toc&state=4008:s0lk0d.13.51&jumpto=1

https://www.macrumors.com/2003/07/24/apple-trademarks-lynx-cougar-leopard-tiger-and-more/

Additionally, Apple chose not to trademark Cheetah, Puma or Jaguar. So, it doesn’t really matter anyway.
 
So what was Snow Leopard about then? :p

Snow Leopard is all about under-the-hood improvements.

Now we can look forward to 10.7 sporting a new look (The rumored "Marble GUI" perhaps), maybe resolution independence, maybe a new file-system, deeper multi-touch integration, a new finder perhaps... etc. etc.

Jaguar, Tiger, Panther, Leopard, Snow Leopard - What's next... Puma?, Lion?, Cheetah?, Cougar?, Lynx?
 
Only half the ball is in Apple's court here. As Apple moved entirely to EFI and related technologies, you can't just slap a card in a Mac and expect it to work for your primary monitor, even if there was a driver for it. EFI uses the UGA spec to talk to the card before the OS boots. Because EFI is only used on a handful of systems currently because OEMs can't seem to quit BIOS (some Itanium servers and Apple hardware)... you don't see many cards even attempting to put in the UGA firmware, let alone having a ROM chip big enough to hold it.

And just because nVidia can have a driver at launch for Linux, doesn't mean they are sharing the retail cards with Apple or helping with the driver for their retail cards (which does need to happen, or nobody winds up writing the driver). Historically, ATi has been responsible for making driver changes to support their retail cards.

Drivers are only half the story of Mac support.

I think it's not just half the ball, maybe quarter the ball is in Apple's court. Since Nvidia writes the drivers for each OS themselves and don't open their code to anyone, it's up to Nvidia and partly ATI to come up with better driver support on OS X. But that's not gonna happen unless Apple is serious about gaming. Because driver development is 99% done for games on windows. Most driver update notes contain only stuff like "20% faster on this game or that game".

So OS X will never get that great diver support. Linux drivers are even worse than OS X for example, since there are even less games there.
 
I expect full latest-version OpenGL support, massive improvements in GPU acceleration, full SLI/Crossfire type of capabilities, and full support for nearly any recent generation graphics card on the market. At a minimum the current line of the majors - nVidia, ATI and Matrox should be supported.

I am so sick of lackluster graphics support on the platform that is supposed to be the graphics king. It is beyond annoying, approaching criminal, that I can't just run down to the store, buy a shinny new ATI 5870 or an nVidia GTX 295 and pop it into my Mac Pro and just have it work. Heck, nVidia has a unified Linux driver that works with 90% of their current cards. If nVidia can do it for the wild west of operating systems, Apple can certainly man up and write a dang driver for their tightly controlled OS.


Certain points need correction.
First of all Nvidia's linux drivers are beyond crap. OS X drivers are much better than Linux ones.

Second, Apple doesn't do much about drivers. Nvidia's driver code is 100% closed to everyone. They write all their drivers for all OS's.
ATI's code is 90% closed, so they write the biggest part of the drivers themselves as well.

Third, Mac's are never ever ever meant to be the graphics king when it comes to games and 3D apps. Apple is NOT a workstation for 3D graphics. Even though certain 3D apps are available for OS X, plugin support is limited. So nobody uses macs for serious 3D work.

Games, I don't even need to talk about games. Without DirectX Apple will never be as popular with games as Windows.

Basically Apple's 3D drivers are only for having some fun with the few Apple games available. If you want to play games, you have bootcamp for it.
 
Worthless article

Are we running out of news that now there are articles stating the obvious? Of curse there will be a new OS!... of curse it will have more and aggressive updates.. :eek:
 
I'd love to see screen sharing with a registered iphone/ipod/tablet built right into the OS. Like something on your computer but don't have it on your portable? Easy enough, just drag it on over. There could be a ton of different uses for that.
 
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