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One can only hope....

So let's think about what we got with Snow Leopard:

- 40% less battery life on the MacBook Pro
- Spinning Beach Balls everywhere
- Broken support for all things Adobe

I can't decide whether I'm excited that some of this will be fixed in a sooner-than-expected release, or if I'm dreading what more problems lurk ahead.
 
Since you've always got to innovate and :apple: always needs to be light years ahead of M$ it's reasonable to expect major innovations that are actually useful (like spaces, bootcamp, time machine... you get the idea).

Am I the only one with the feeling it's all been about refinements this year at :apple: ?

iPhone 3GS, iPod nano with video camera, iPod shuffle with not so practical voice functions, slightly better MacBook Pro, slightly better white MacBook, slightly better Leopard... despite size differences slightly better iMac.
Slightly better keyboard.:eek:

What happened to those times that Apple jumped from the iMac G3 to the amazing looking G4?

When they could easily claim they had the fastest personal computer?

You can't keep putting on new user features on same codebase forever, that's what happened to Windows. Apple needs to take a break once in a while and rework the whole OS to make it ready for the next several releases. That's what Vista was and look how much better it was for MS when they released W7 with refined Vista code. Chances are the next release of Mac OS X will be a major release.

Rumor has it, they actually are considering a change of brand name, as 'Windows' has been tarnished so heavily, for so long.



Good one!

Or perhaps, Portal - hence the mandatory security measures 24/7.

Seven is the new brand name (meaning they stopped attaching the names to the versions like Me/XP/Vista), Windows is too big of a global trademark for them to change and most likely will stay around for a long time.
Isn't that what release parties signify? :confused:
No, release parties are for congrats to the devs for finishing off a huge project. Not to send them off to vacations. Devs don't have vacations.

Important? Disk space hasn't been a significant constraint in years, and is getting less so all the time.
For desktops and most laptops, that's true, not for ultraportable devices and tablets. They are going to be tiny in size for a while. SSD is still small but eventually it'll be the default drive for laptops and ultra-portable devices.

You mean they've finished 10.6, put out a couple of service releases, and now they're starting 10.7? Say it isn't so! I can see why this is front page news.

And here I was assuming that Steve would have the entire OS team sitting on their hands for the next several months.

They didn't start 10.7 now, they started it months ago, this isn't really any news. Just a slow news day.

This would be news if Apple *wasn't* working on 10.7. I find it interesting that they're still so early in the process. Apparently they don't do overlapping development.

In most really big developments, the next major release is started as soon as the previous one hits feature freeze.
This news doesn't say anything about the progress of 10.7 development, just some bug report talking about the next build number. Apple started working on 10.7 months ago. There are always overlapping developments, can't start putting in new codes without researching and research takes a long time.

Fair enough, it doesn't indicate XI on the strength that the code is 11, but if the next version were to be XI then what would the code be? would it revert back to 1 instead? It could still be 11A47
It's based on the kernel version (type "uname -a" in terminal), that won't change unless the kernel has been replaced with a brand new kernel. It has nothing to do with OS X version numbers.

Do we have to go all the way up to 11.0 before we get a completely new UI overhaul?

I appreciate the stability and wonderfulness that is the current OSX platform but I am also for killing Aqua.
We are all awaiting for the next GUI refresh but it probably won't be X11. It can be either 10.7 or 10.8. We have no idea, that's what makes rumors fun.

That feels like an awfully fast dev cycle to me. But, I suppose it also depends on how much they're going to shove into the release.

I think there was an earlier post which rang more true to me which pegged a 2010 WWDC preview with a spring or summer 2011 intro date.
The new technologies are all in the kernel now, it is now time for the front end work. They'll continue to optimize the current kernel including the new technologies and rapidly start adding users type of features. We should see another "300+ new features" release in 10.7.

For sure and new Finder (re-written from the ground up), 64 bit kernel only if possible. How about cut and paste in the Finder.
Finder has already been re-written, it's in Snow Leopard and runs as 64bit app. Cut and Paste probably will never come.

That my friend is why Windows is a dying OS-it will because of these things, be forever locked in the mid 20th century- a has been, antiquated;
It will soon be left FAR behind no matter how many times they change the colors schemes on XP v3

Unlike Mac you are not going to see windows switch o a Unix foundation-they are not likely to invent a new system from scratch like BEOS or OS2
Theyll just keep selling a system built with The Registry, DLLs, BIOS, DRM, etc and like 56k modems Windows will become totally irellevant.

the 21st century will become increasingly unkind to Windows as it starts to grow long in the tooth as an OS
They have peaked and now are on a slow but steady downhill slide-while apple rises
Microsoft has been working on that since early 2005, project codenamed MinWin. Ars just did an article on it today. Microsoft does not need to switch to Unix, their NT kernel is very good, that's not where the security problems are. It's the front top layers. Microsoft previously had the front user stuff like graphics, networking and stuff in kernel land, they switched those to userland when they released Vista and that cut down majority of the OS crashes (BSOD) since they no longer crash the OS but itself. That's going to be continue further down the line, a modular OS is going to be the future for MS. They are on a right track.

-crossfire for ATI cards
-trim/garbage collection for SSD drives
-cut/paste of files in finder
-add to instead of replacing a folder when pasting a folder over an existing one with the same name

Those are the only features I can think of that I really want.

Although, lower ram usage would be really nice. OS X is becoming a ram hog.
Garbage collection does not require an OS support, it's a built in process by the SSD's controllers. Any SSD with that feature will work fine in OS X since it is not file system dependant. As it turns out, it is possible TRIM may not be required for SSD down in the line, the GC might replace TRIM.
 
I wish I never installed SL, it's been buggy as **** lately. I think the bugs are worse in 10.6.2 than 10.6.1. Now Safari freezes when I browse MR. It used to only freeze when watching youtube videos and when those flash ads on the front page of youtube were playing. Not to mention hulu....

EDIT: When I published this post, it freezed and had to re open Safari :rolleyes: I guess the Safari Gods don't like me :eek::(
 
and this just in . . . the pope is catholic!!!

of course apple is working on 10.7. it's not like they sit around for a year and then think, oh, wow, the end of summer is coming up. better put out a new OS release. let's get crackin, boys!
 
Anyone else feel like OS X is nearing the end of its life? In 2000, when Jobs introduced OS X, he called it the roadmap for the next decade. With the abandonment of PowerPC and now Snow Leopard officially ending any upgrade path for PPC, it seems reasonable to think that the next OS version will be something more radical, perhaps even the blueprint for the next decade. Could this deserve a new version number like XI, or is X here to stay, like the "Windows" moniker? At any rate, I think 10.7/11.0 will be a major overhaul of the UI and OS, while 10.6 was a way to pacify power pc users so they didn't get too excited about being left out of the next OS.

They will most definitely continue with OS X. It is a strong brand and they will not abandon that.

It is quite obvious if you look at Snow Leopard. 10.6 was all about laying out core foundation technologies that will carry the OS and future features for many years beyond now!

Now that those things are in place, 10.7 will most likely have some big features that build on top of that foundation. More visual features, lots of the WOW type features, and yes eye candy and UI!!! :D

I think when the Tablet comes out early next year, it will give us an idea of where things are headed.

I am excited! :D
 
Of course there working on it. They were working on it after they released 10.4. They start work on OS's years and years before they release it.
 
Couldn't agree more. There's so many things wrong to go into detail. The awful connection dialog, unexpected disconnects, putting shortcuts to network locations in the Finder sidebar, lack of read/write S/FTP support. And it has barely gotten better since 10.3. So little thought and attention put into this area.

The performance is terrible as well. I don't think they could have a slower implementation of WebDAV if they tried.

Yep. What I cited was just one glaring example of how networking on the Mac sucks by comparison to Windows. There are so many other examples, I could write a short book about it. One thing I love about Windows and wish was available on the Mac is how you can access a network share by typing this into a window:

\\servername\share\path\

That's beautiful and I use it constantly. What's even better, if you're a programmer, is that programs and batch scripts can access things like that too. It's seamless, beautifully designed. That implicit access to anything on the network is so useful. Apple really needs something like it. That dialog that comes up with command+K is just a joke by comparison.
 
That my friend is why Windows is a dying OS-it will because of these things, be forever locked in the mid 20th century- a has been, antiquated;
It will soon be left FAR behind no matter how many times they change the colors schemes on XP v3

Unlike Mac you are not going to see windows switch o a Unix foundation-they are not likely to invent a new system from scratch like BEOS or OS2
Theyll just keep selling a system built with The Registry, DLLs, BIOS, DRM, etc and like 56k modems Windows will become totally irellevant.

the 21st century will become increasingly unkind to Windows as it starts to grow long in the tooth as an OS
They have peaked and now are on a slow but steady downhill slide-while apple rises

I couldn't agree more. They've clung to their outmoded, obsolete, artifact ridden conglomeration, beholden to the 1990s, all of which has only helped further convince XP users to remain content with what they've got.

Something along the lines of BeOS would have afforded a brighter future for Windows, one which has continually grown dimmer by the year, weighed down by piles of legacy baggage of the past.

It's quite sad, really.

Nice. It'll be interesting to see if they can regain the lead in consumer operating system functionality.

Their lead remains quite substantial, and will only increase further as we head into the 21st century.
 
and this just in . . . the pope is catholic!!!

of course apple is working on 10.7. it's not like they sit around for a year and then think, oh, wow, the end of summer is coming up. better put out a new OS release. let's get crackin, boys!

I thought I'd miss read and first signs of 10.8 had been seen.
I'm sure they are working on that one too or will be pretty soon anyway.
Or maybe successor to X (C maybe I guess M is Cocoa Touch), which I'm sure is being developed as well in some form.

Plus it's about this time small groups of Apple engineers break away and start small companies to build their version of an OS with all the ideas the apple team won't let them do for some reason (legacy issues or the market isn't ready for those ideas).

On the media front Macworld Mag will start a sub-mag with in mag called "iPhonation" or something, a storyes about serious things like basic programing and how to build your own light pen will give way to App review and flashy stuff.

And the cycle continues....
 


Less than three months after the launch of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, evidence has surfaced that Apple is already working on the next version of OS X, presumably to designated Mac OS X 10.7.

How is this even newsworthy? They have had 10.7 product roadmaps since before 10.5 was even released. Their developers were busy coding 10.7 years before 10.6 was released.

This is how the software business works. Period. What did you think? That they would release 10.6 and then all their OS developers would sit around on their asses doing absolutely nothing, and then start on 10.7 at some future date? I'm willing to bet theyre in the process now of finalizing which features to include in 10.7, and which features to save for 10.8 instead.

This just in!! Microsoft is busy working on Windows 8!!! What a surprise!!! Who knew they would make such a bold move??? :rolleyes:
 
I wish I never installed SL, it's been buggy as **** lately. I think the bugs are worse in 10.6.2 than 10.6.1. Now Safari freezes when I browse MR. It used to only freeze when watching youtube videos and when those flash ads on the front page of youtube were playing. Not to mention hulu....

EDIT: When I published this post, it freezed and had to re open Safari :rolleyes: I guess the Safari Gods don't like me :eek::(

Have you tried using a different browser?
 
I'd love to see iTunes not take up 50+ mb of ram. I'd also love to see iTunes have its name changed to 'iMedia' since its syncs with every device known to mankind; ipods, iphones, speakers, iTV, etc. I'm tired of iTunes having turned into bloatware.

Either that, or release a proper version of iTunes thats meant for JUST playing back mp3s with a library.

I can't believe that for the simple function of having an mp3 library there is not a single (decent) alternative on the Mac. Vox is the only thing that comes close, but its still missing a library (hopefully the next release fixes that).
 
I could write two books about Windows in general not to mention networking suck on Windows too ;)

When you say networking, do you mean file sharing? Because I haven't had a problem accessing files on my desktop from my laptop (having access to TV shows from bed is nifty ;] )
 
I'd love to see iTunes not take up 50+ mb of ram. I'd also love to see iTunes have its name changed to 'iMedia' since its syncs with every device known to mankind; ipods, iphones, speakers, iTV, etc. I'm tired of iTunes having turned into bloatware.

Either that, or release a proper version of iTunes thats meant for JUST playing back mp3s with a library.

I can't believe that for the simple function of having an mp3 library there is not a single (decent) alternative on the Mac. Vox is the only thing that comes close, but its still missing a library (hopefully the next release fixes that).

The iFamily != every device known to mankind ;]
 
When you say networking, do you mean file sharing? Because I haven't had a problem accessing files on my desktop from my laptop (having access to TV shows from bed is nifty ;] )
Sharing my Recorded TV folder via a Home Group is so awesome.
 
Microsoft has been working on that since early 2005, project codenamed MinWin. Ars just did an article on it today. Microsoft does not need to switch to Unix, their NT kernel is very good, that's not where the security problems are. It's the front top layers. Microsoft previously had the front user stuff like graphics, networking and stuff in kernel land, they switched those to userland when they released Vista and that cut down majority of the OS crashes (BSOD) since they no longer crash the OS but itself. That's going to be continue further down the line, a modular OS is going to be the future for MS. They are on a right track.
Thanks for the link. :)

I also agree on the fact they've gone in the right direction since Vista (after SP1). Win7 is one of (if not the) the nicest yet. It's stable and is more secure than previous versions (save the UAC disabled by default).

Garbage collection does not require an OS support, it's a built in process by the SSD's controllers. Any SSD with that feature will work fine in OS X since it is not file system dependant. As it turns out, it is possible TRIM may not be required for SSD down in the line, the GC might replace TRIM.
It's definitely internal to the hardware (firmware). But OS's do need to be optimized for SSD's, and will in time. ;)
 
I'd love to see iTunes not take up 50+ mb of ram.
Depends on how big you library is. There is even difference in memory usage between list view and Cover Flow.

I'd also love to see iTunes have its name changed to 'iMedia' since its syncs with every device known to mankind; ipods, iphones, speakers, iTV, etc. I'm tired of iTunes having turned into bloatware.

iMedia? Jesus ... iTunes is of big importance and no one is going to change that name and your complain is irrelevant. iTunes supports many iPod other Apple devices, so it gets bigger that's inevitable.
 
Yep. What I cited was just one glaring example of how networking on the Mac sucks by comparison to Windows. There are so many other examples, I could write a short book about it. One thing I love about Windows and wish was available on the Mac is how you can access a network share by typing this into a window:

\\servername\share\path\

That's beautiful and I use it constantly. What's even better, if you're a programmer, is that programs and batch scripts can access things like that too. It's seamless, beautifully designed. That implicit access to anything on the network is so useful. Apple really needs something like it. That dialog that comes up with command+K is just a joke by comparison.

Don't forget accessing PC's root drives on the network as well: \\asset\c$ or \\IP\c$\documents and settings\user\ etc.

But Command K works the same way as using your example, or mine, in a Windows Explorer window or Start>RUN: command box. Command K is because Mac OS X supposedly can connect to more than 1 os via the protocols used??

Still this great news that Apple Development team is working on a new OS; possibly some HUGE new features for next year!!

I recall Panther and Leopard taking this long to work on as well.

I'm curious what will Apple use as an OS in 4yrs when OS X 10.9 is used up?? Or will the core OS remain and the GUI just change.
 
Well you can do the same on a Mac, just not in Finder ;) Share your iTunes, iPhoto libararies and many more. Mac way is application centric, not file manager centric ;)

Just a simple sharing. Nothing more. No centric work.
iTunes und iPhoto are still single-User Apps. :(
 
Thanks for the link. :)
It's definitely internal to the hardware (firmware). But OS's do need to be optimized for SSD's, and will in time. ;)

You're talking about the file system more specifically than, yes I agree but that's decades away if not years. SSD controllers constantly have to map between the logical and physical data blocks between the OS and the SSD, the sooner we get a file system that's optimized for the way SSD works, it would cut down a lot of system calls for the SSD and make it much faster as well as lighter (less complicated) in the process. Once SSD goes mainstream, I think OS companies will start to take notice and focus their next file systems toward SSDs but unfortunately right now HDD will rule the market for another decade as long as the SSD continues to be expensive (in fact their prices has nearly doubled since the beginning of the year).
 
OSX needs Trim for SSDs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM_(SSD_command)

Also more security -> full support of ASLR
"ASLR is really only useful if EVERYTHING is randomized," Charlie Miller, co-author of The Mac Hacker's Handbook, wrote in an email to The Register. "If there is anything that is not randomized, it defeats the purpose mostly. This is a major shortcoming of Apple, and I'm disappointed they didn't take this opportunity to implement full ASLR."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/29/snow_leopard_security/

Also OSX needs an open api for video acceleration (pure video/Unified Video Decoder)

Also OSX needs an actual version of OpenGL. The version in 10.6 is dated.

iChat needs the support for Jingle (e.g. for VoIP via Jabber) and encryption via GPG and/or OTR.

Safari needs an API for Add-Ons (instead of using dirty Input-Manager-Hacks - 32Bit) - also Mail (AFAIK the API in Mail is not official supported).

OSX needs NUMA (for Xserve and Mac Pro): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Uniform_Memory_Access
 
That I have. It does the exact same things on Camino (which, by the way I LOVE, better than FF), Safari, and Firefox. This leads me to believe that the problem isn't the browser, rather the OS itself.
The Open/Save dialog problem I had afflicted every browser on OS X under Snow Leopard. I eventually came to realize that yes it was a problem with the OS itself.

I haven't played around enough in 10.6.2 to call it fixed but it does appear to be that way in the time that I have used it.
 
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