Apple Among 53 Companies Supporting Transgender Student in Supreme Court Case

[oldmacs]

1) It's not that Christians, Islamist and Jewish do not approve gay: It's GOD

What has he appeared to younand told you that? Again as an atheist you don't believe in God thus this makes no sense.

3) Jesus do not need to say anything, his father was absolutely clear about gay sex.

You keep saying this and it is false. God was not clear about Gay sex, the Old Testament is not followed closely by Christianity. I ask again if you truly believe that Christians do not eat cruestains or wear clothes of mixed fabrics. Plenty of Old Testament 'teachings' that Christianity does not follow.

Two mentions in the Old Testament is not 'God being clear', two mentions in the Old Testament, in he Bible that we have no idea about the writers or translations that have occurred is not a clear statement. Jesus did not affirm the teaching so it can not have been that overly important. Much like other now ignored Old Testament teachings.

4) Sexuality makes your gender. How can God disapprove gay sex but accept 'gays'? Nonsense.

'Sexuality makes your gender' this makes no sense whatsoever.

Go learn about the Catholic Church, their teaching is that they accept Gay people, but they expect them to remain celibate.

Other Christain denominations accpet gays.

5) Do you accept the Ten Commandments? Yes or not?

I wasn't aware that there was a commandment about gays. But yes I accept the Ten Commandments but place greater emphasis on Jesus's new commandment.

How about you read the Old Testament and the come and tell that Christianity follows it closely.

 

[tshrimp]

U r funny dude. U talk a lot saying nothing. Really boring to talk with u. I thought u were smart until a few macrumors guys alerted me by private messages. True has been told u r just a blabla guy. Dont feel bad we understand ur 'election' and it's okay. I mesn, i dont care and. I wont judge u you know what i mean?

Now you know. I am surprised you couldn't figure this out on your own.

 

[thekev]

It starts getting murky when we split it down into pre-op and post-op transsexuals. I'd like to know where people here feel a post op transsexual stands in to bathroom debate?

I'm not sure. If they're male to female transitions, they would eventually present themselves to others as women. I imagine much of this on their end comes down to maintaining that. If they dress as women yet retain a manly appearance, it might be very uncomfortable to use public restrooms.

 

[saudade]

Well, firstly, not all of Christianity disapproves gay sex.

I thought you are an atheist? I don't get how you insist on your opinion in something you don't even believe in.

Yeah it is actually. Jesus never addresses it, the most focus that has been put on it is by the churches as they have interpreted the faith to suit themselves.

Does the lord also not approve eating crustaceans and wearing clothes of mixed fabrics, I mean Leviticus is obviously something that all Christian denominations follow closely.

And not approving of gay sex is a little different to not approving of gays like you said earlier.

You don't need to have cancer to be an oncologist doctor. I do study theology among many other things even when im an atheist. I don't believe in believe.

God gave Us 613 comandments, including do not eat crustaceans and do not have homosexual sex. God was incredible clear about that BUT you •think• you don't need to follow these rules but you observe the ten commandments that belong to the same book. So you basically take what you like even when its God's word and he never came back to say you can do anything different. Why?

So Church acepts gays as long..gays don't do anything gay like having intimacy. Right? Can you explain why? What's the source of this particular idea?

In short, unfortunately, your God doesn't like gays. In fact, He hates them. Just see what he did with sodom and gomorrah. It's pretty clear Homosexuality is condemned in the Bible. It undermines God's created order where He made Adam and Eve.

Corinthians 6:9:10 says (New Testament)
'the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves'.

That's your religion? Yes.
Deal with it dude.

 

[highdough]

another know-it-all !

hehe!!! I shouldn't have clicked on the link in the first place after seeing "vice" !!!!

Vice is an arm of the leftist media that it is owned by leftist conglomerate Comcast which owns leftist MSNBC as well. They keep MSNBC alive with the lower ratings on any network and at a loss just to constant bash everyone who thinks differently then they do. Their network exists only to lobby liberals in Washington so they can take care of their huge media empire.

100% of mainstream media is propaganda "news" and all they do is just promote division every single day and omit a lot of the very important real news!

Regardless of what party you support, it is annoying to see one side reporters on TV that instead of reporting just bash 100% of the time. It's boring!

Have you ever watched Lawrence O'donnel, Rachel Maddow, Chris mattews, Ezra Klein , Keith oberman, Joe and Mika, ed Shultz, Seth Myers, Eugene Robinson, andrea mitchel, Ron Reagan ? These are MSNBC so called anchors/host/reporters. If you have ever watched any of them regardless of what party you belong to, you will have a hard time not seeing these dweebs are really NUTS !!!!

I guess they have low ratings since conservatives probably never watch them and liberals are embarrassed by them. They look like amateur comedians talking to clowns!!

You keep telling me how to think, what to believe, what to learn, what is good for me, what I have to watch, what is wrong with my country and what hurts me.

No, thanks but thanks!

No more politics!!!!! Let's talk about the Mac, MacOS, new Apple products !!!!

Well, first of all YOU were the one that replied to my comment. Secondly, why is it that YOU get the last comment before ending political discussion. It seems to me if you didn't want any more political discussion, you shouldn't have replied in the first place. Or replied to my reply. etc.

It also seems to me that you don't quite understand how news organizations actually work. While the American "mainstream media" organizations certainly have their problems. They often don't verify news in a hurry to compete with the 24 hour news cycle and immediacy of the internet. Because of the fact that it's a business, they too often go with stories that people WANT to see instead of what they should see (which is why they gave Trump what is estimated to be more than a billion dollars in free publicity during his campaign). Because they have so much time to fill, they fill it up with a lot of crap and opinion shows, which blurs the line between what is and what is not news.

That doesn't mean they aren't real news and don't play an EXTREMELY big part in the country's democracy. While it has it's problems, the "mainstream" media is generally far more unbiased than most of the independent "news" organizations, like Breitbart or InfoWars, that don't follow the same journalistic rules that the bigger news organizations do.

While you may not LIKE the news coming out of MSNBC and CNN, that doesn't mean it's fake or propaganda. And if you think it is, then I can only assume you really don't have any idea of how these news organizations work.

 

[amegicfox]

Well, first of all YOU were the one that replied to my comment. Secondly, why is it that YOU get the last comment before ending political discussion. It seems to me if you didn't want any more political discussion, you shouldn't have replied in the first place. Or replied to my reply. etc.

It also seems to me that you don't quite understand how news organizations actually work. While the American "mainstream media" organizations certainly have their problems. They often don't verify news in a hurry to compete with the 24 hour news cycle and immediacy of the internet. Because of the fact that it's a business, they too often go with stories that people WANT to see instead of what they should see (which is why they gave Trump what is estimated to be more than a billion dollars in free publicity during his campaign). Because they have so much time to fill, they fill it up with a lot of crap and opinion shows, which blurs the line between what is and what is not news.

That doesn't mean they aren't real news and don't play an EXTREMELY big part in the country's democracy. While it has it's problems, the "mainstream" media is generally far more unbiased than most of the independent "news" organizations, like Breitbart or InfoWars, that don't follow the same journalistic rules that the bigger news organizations do.

While you may not LIKE the news coming out of MSNBC and CNN, that doesn't mean it's fake or propaganda. And if you think it is, then I can only assume you really don't have any idea of how these news organizations work.

I stopped reading after a few words

let's talk about the Mac !!!!!

bye !!

 

[Mord]

I stopped reading after a few words

let's talk about the Mac !!!!!

bye !!

Have you considered just not visiting PRSI? I think it might work out well for you.

 

[oldmacs]

In short, unfortunately, your God doesn't like gays. In fact, He hates them. Just see what he did with sodom and gomorrah. It's pretty clear Homosexuality is condemned in the Bible. It undermines God's created order where He made Adam and Eve.

That's your opinion anyway. Do iPhones undermine god's created order? Clothes? Technology?

And what many believe about sodom was that it condemns rape and violence. Can I remind you that these texts have been translated and interpreted thousands of times?


Yep, ignoring all the other messed up stuff in the Old Testament, the context the the bible was written in and also the errors in translation, perfectly clear. You could honestly pick out so many other things that the bible makes clear, teachings on homosexuality are not one of them.

Where's the quote on lesbians for example? Oh that's right, the bible is obviously crystal clear on that.

You don't need to have cancer to be an oncologist doctor. I do study theology among many other things even when im an atheist. I don't believe in believe

Pretty poor comparison there. A better comparison would be if you were studying to be an oncologist but you didn't believe in cancer.

God gave Us 613 comandments, including do not eat crustaceans and do not have homosexual sex. God was incredible clear about that BUT you •think• you don't need to follow these rules but you observe the ten commandments that belong to the same book. So you basically take what you like even when its God's word and he never came back to say you can do anything different. Why?

You don't even make sense here anymore. You brought up Leviticus to prove that god apparently hates gays and that it is crystal clear. Why then in the same Old Testament book do you ignore the teachings on cruestations and mixed fabrics - shouldn't they also be a huge part of Christianity? Well all know that they are not. The point is that Christians DO NOT FOLLOW the Old Testament word for word rule for rule, Jesus taught against what he perceived as hypocritical, and simplified his teachings.

You seem to ignore that fact that Christain denominations form their ethics differently, using different methods which of course means different conclusions are reached.

You don't seem to get that there is no uniform Christian teachings, every denominaton varies, especially on issues such as homosexuality, due in part to HOW RARELY the bible talks about it.

So Church acepts gays as long..gays don't do anything gay like having intimacy. Right? Can you explain why? What's the source of this particular idea?

You obviously have no grasp of what the Catholic Church teaches. I didn't make this teaching up, go ask the Church why it teaches this specifically.

Corinthians 6:9:10 says (New Testament)
'the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves'.

That's your religion? Yes.
Deal with it dude.

Wrong again. That's very dependent on the translation, different bible translations differ.

You don't even understand my religion beyond a very narrow viewpoint so I don't need to deal with anything.

 

[highdough]

I stopped reading after a few words

let's talk about the Mac !!!!!

bye !!

I get it. You don't want to hear other points of views. You guys tend to be like that. Fair enough. I understand,

 

[A.Goldberg]

their design uber gay

Pardon my ignorance but what about Apple's design makes it homosexual?

If I dress well and have a nicely decorated home does that make me gay?

 

[saudade]

That's your opinion anyway. Do iPhones undermine god's created order? Clothes? Technology?

And what many believe about sodom was that it condemns rape and violence. Can I remind you that these texts have been translated and interpreted thousands of times?


Yep, ignoring all the other messed up stuff in the Old Testament, the context the the bible was written in and also the errors in translation, perfectly clear. You could honestly pick out so many other things that the bible makes clear, teachings on homosexuality are not one of them.

Where's the quote on lesbians for example? Oh that's right, the bible is obviously crystal clear on that.



Pretty poor comparison there. A better comparison would be if you were studying to be an oncologist but you didn't believe in cancer.



You don't even make sense here anymore. You brought up Leviticus to prove that god apparently hates gays and that it is crystal clear. Why then in the same Old Testament book do you ignore the teachings on cruestations and mixed fabrics - shouldn't they also be a huge part of Christianity? Well all know that they are not. The point is that Christians DO NOT FOLLOW the Old Testament word for word rule for rule, Jesus taught against what he perceived as hypocritical, and simplified his teachings.

You seem to ignore that fact that Christain denominations form their ethics differently, using different methods which of course means different conclusions are reached.

You don't seem to get that there is no uniform Christian teachings, every denominaton varies, especially on issues such as homosexuality, due in part to HOW RARELY the bible talks about it.



You obviously have no grasp of what the Catholic Church teaches. I didn't make this teaching up, go ask the Church why it teaches this specifically.



Wrong again. That's very dependent on the translation, different bible translations differ.

You don't even understand my religion beyond a very narrow viewpoint so I don't need to deal with anything.

Not sure if you are a fanatic or if your brain has been washed by the church.

1) All what you dont like is a 'bad translation'. Under that poor argument the entire thing including chris can be a mistake. You are jus selecting what you need to hear.

2) you said 'Christians DO NOT FOLLOW the Old Testament' oh yeah? So you dont respect the 10 commandments? What's about Genesis? Show me where jesus said that we dont follow the Old Testament. let me guess, depends in translation..

3) Romans 26:27 is New Testament. You see a bad translation there too? Because its PRETTY clear and all translations says the same. You know what i mean? It's VERY clear about homosexuality.

4) if Christians do not follow the Old Testament, explain why gays can't get married.

Chruch of England: no
Roman Church (the biggest): big no
Baptist: no
Presbyterian and Episcopal: only a shameful 'bless' but still' 'no marriage'.

Also, jewish: no
Islam: no

So explain why not if Old Testament is not followed. Im talking about gays getting the same marriage than heterosexual. Explain why its not possible. The translation thing is just a cheap excuse since no church can admit their god dont like gay. The Lord was incredible clear and he and his son never said the oposite so still valid today.

Now if you want to force reality and believe only the fragments you want and deny everything else, it's up to you. The tailor made Religion makes jesus cry.

 

[oldmacs]

1) All what you dont like is a 'bad translation'. Under that poor argument the entire thing including chris can be a mistake. You are jus selecting what you need to hear.

I'd assume a lot of the bible has changed due to the context various sections were written and the translations they have been through, thus it is often better to look at patterns and properly repeated messages, not obscure mentions. The number of times anything about homosexuality is mentioned int he bible is very minimal. Thus with other minimally mentioned things in the old testament I would say they should be examined and looked at taking into consideration the context plus integrity of translation.

2) you said 'Christians DO NOT FOLLOW the Old Testament' oh yeah? So you dont respect the 10 commandments? What's about Genesis? Show me where jesus said that we dont follow the Old Testament. let me guess, depends in translation..

How about you read what I wrote. "Christians DO NOT FOLLOW the Old Testament word for word rule for rule" is what I wrote, you are purposefully taking me out of context. Christain do not follow the old testament word for word. You have ignored time and time and time again the fact that Christians eat shellfish, Christians wear clothing of mixed fabric, Christians eat pigs and rabbits, wear clothes with tears in them, shave their beards, have tattoos or mixing seeds in planed gardens. They are just some of the things that Leviticus says are banned, along with men lying with men - you're not going to honestly tell me that all Christian denominations follow that are you?

Have you actually read the Old Testament and then compared it to what say the Catholic Church teaches?

3) Romans 26:27 is New Testament. You see a bad translation there too? Because its PRETTY clear and all translations says the same. You know what i mean? It's VERY clear about homosexuality.

I never said it wasn't New Testament. There are translations that do not talk about men sleeping with men. Then if you go on and actually look at the passage in context you get a whole different number of meanings. Your interpretation of that passage is simply that, an interpretation. It is not clear.

Clear = Jesus taught about love and acceptance as it is mentioned time and time again across 4 gospels in ways that aren' t really contextually affected.

Unclear = minimal number of mentions about men sleeping with men that are uncertain due to translations and context leading to different interpretations.

4) if Christians do not follow the Old Testament, explain why gays can't get married.

If Christians follow every single verse of the Old Testament how come Christians are not required to be circumcised, how come Christians do not follow large numbers of 'rules' set in Leviticus?

They can't get married because various churches have decided to interpret the teachings how they liked for reasons of power and control. It wouldn't have been overly convenient for the early church to have Gays around, would have limited the growth of the region for example. Just as the Church justified indulgences using the Bible.

So explain why not if Old Testament is not followed. Im talking about gays getting the same marriage than heterosexual. Explain why its not possible. The translation thing is just a cheap excuse since no church can admit their god dont like gay. The Lord was incredible clear and he and his son never said the oposite so still valid today.

Now if you want to force reality and believe only the fragments you want and deny everything else, it's up to you. The tailor made Religion makes jesus cry.

That doesn't even make any sense. You ignore that the Old Testament is not followed DIRECTLY by Christians. I've already said why Gays can not get married in many denotations (they can in some).

You also ignore that a large number of Christian denominations DO NOT TEACH THAT BEING GAY IS INHERENTLY BAD. Even the Catholic Church teaches that it is not being gay that is inherently bad, it is homosexual behaviours. There is no where in the bible that says it is a Sin to be Gay. The only mentions (if you take them at face value)are about gay sex, not the act of being Gay. Please learn to differentiate between the two.

It makes me laugh though, you ignored again - what does the Bible say about lesbians? If homosexuality was so hated it would have been a direct commandment, Jesus would have taught it, and there would have been consistency in the teaching of it in the Bible and it would have banned Lesbians as well.
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Now if you want to force reality and believe only the fragments you want and deny everything else, it's up to you. The tailor made Religion makes jesus cry.

This still makes me laugh, you think that something that you don't believe in is crying? I think Jesus would more likely to be crying at Christian denotations who push hatred, intolerance and judgment towards Gays (as Jesus taught against all of these things) rather than people trying to actually live out Jesus's message.

 

[Orlandoech]

I am really, really, sick of reading all this transgender/bathroom/etc. crap. The human species is male and female. If someone makes a CHOICE to live a deviant lifestyle, I don't see why they should get special attention and privileges.
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Don't be another liberal robot spouting what hear other people saying. Trump did not take away anyone's rights. His decision was to leave these policies to the state level.

People are too stupid and ignorant to collects facts though.

 

[jerwin]

. The human species is male and female. If someone makes a CHOICE to live a deviant lifestyle, I don't see why they should get special attention and privileges.

What do you mean by deviant? Please elaborate.

 

[Three141]

All I'm saying is if this hits the UK and results in the all bathrooms becoming unisex and I lose the urinal; I'm not lifting up the damn seat! whatever I hit, I hit.

Could one of the US posters educate me here; does this include things like gym changing rooms/showers? or is just strictly about toilets.

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

I am really, really, sick of reading all this transgender/bathroom/etc. crap. The human species is male and female. If someone makes a CHOICE to live a deviant lifestyle, I don't see why they should get special attention and privileges.
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Don't be another liberal robot spouting what hear other people saying. Trump did not take away anyone's rights. His decision was to leave these policies to the state level.

This is simply not true, even scientifically or historically. Mutations of animals, humans with both sex organs have always existed in nature. Homosexuality is proven historically to exist to the beginnings of Christianity. It has also been scientifically been studied and proven in the wild in animals to occur.

But back to the bathroom issue. That to me is just senseless. There wasn't a problem before.
Why is there one now?
The only reason this is in issue is because of bigotry, not any crisis that affects ANYONE!

 

[AppleFan360]

What do you mean by deviant? Please elaborate.

That's easy to answer. If you are a male and you dress and think like you are female, it's deviant behavior because it departs from the normal behavior of the male gender. Whether it's natural or not is another argument.

 

[jerwin]

If you are a male and you dress and think like you are female, it's deviant behavior because it departs from the normal behavior of the male gender.

 

[jdillings]

All I'm saying is if this hits the UK and results in the all bathrooms becoming unisex and I lose the urinal; I'm not lifting up the damn seat! whatever I hit, I hit.

Could one of the US posters educate me here; does this include things like gym changing rooms/showers? or is just strictly about toilets.

Yes it includes gym changing rooms/showers. But the media here often leave changing rooms/showers out of the discussion because the public outrage would be even greater. Instead, they are dishonest and simply label the laws as "bathroom bills" and only mention the bathroom aspect.

 

[jerwin]

Lots of individuals choose to to live their lives as if they were the other gender. And for most of them, you'd never know. A law that mandates that they use the toilets designated for the opposite sex forces those individuals to "out" themselves as transgender to perfect strangers-- strangers who may act in violent ways to protect their fragile male psyches.

 

[oneMadRssn]

I'm not sure. If they're male to female transitions, they would eventually present themselves to others as women. I imagine much of this on their end comes down to maintaining that. If they dress as women yet retain a manly appearance, it might be very uncomfortable to use public restrooms.

How so?

Male to female transition individual that is presenting themselves to others as a woman goes into the women's room, goes into the stall and uses the toilet. What's uncomfortable about that?

Indeed, it's not uncomfortable to anyone.

Female to male transition individual that is presenting themselves to others as a man goes into the men's room, goes into the stall and uses the toilet. No problems.

It might be uncomfortable for someone that regularly peeks into bathroom stalls to inspect someone's genitals to ensure they align with the gender signified on the bathroom door, but something tells me it's not the trans person making that situation uncomfortable...

 

[thekev]

How so?

Male to female transition individual that is presenting themselves to others as a woman goes into the women's room, goes into the stall and uses the toilet. What's uncomfortable about that?

Indeed, it's not uncomfortable to anyone.

Female to male transition individual that is presenting themselves to others as a man goes into the men's room, goes into the stall and uses the toilet. No problems.

It might be uncomfortable for someone that regularly peeks into bathroom stalls to inspect someone's genitals to ensure they align with the gender signified on the bathroom door, but something tells me it's not the trans person making that situation uncomfortable...

It depends on the individual person. People are very silly when it comes to restrooms, like gender based segregation is the only barrier to sexual assault or other similar behavior. If someone is transitioning and they don't feel confident that they pass as a member of the opposite sex, they are likely to be uncomfortable. There's also the issue of potential judgement from others, although that seems to be limited to women's restrooms. In general guys tend to be understanding if a woman needs to use the men's room due to long lines.