Science? What science? Care to provide some facts?
Science also says there are just two genders. That doesn't stop mentally ill people to claim that there are more then 30 genders. And that doesn't stop some other people in supporting those claims
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Science? What science? Care to provide some facts?
Science also says there are just two genders. That doesn't stop mentally ill people to claim that there are more then 30 genders. And that doesn't stop some other people in supporting those claims
Dont worry, all of u gave imaginary friends on heaven. Ask quakers if they allow gay marriage lol
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God was clear about gays. Again, im atheist and i couldn't care less if a person is gay or not. But god was clear.
"male pedophiles and other degenerates have free access to the women's restroom".
"perverts in the restroom just for the sake of some adult feeling good about themselves".
How does any of this relate to being transgender? Where were you or your kids exposed to this type of person? I get so tired of this stereotype argument.
I have even heard people refer to transgender people as "tattooed drug addicts using the same restroom as my daughter".
What is wrong with you people?
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If you are an atheist why do you feel the need to educate us on religion? I would assume none of this matters to an atheist no?
They don't care about other people safety. They want their rights.
Basically.
As a gay married transwoman, my agenda is to go about my life without hassled for being who I am and loving who I love. Simple.
It's sad how this forum has drifted further and further towards intolerance and hate. A decade ago this thread would've turned out quite differently.
Like really, you can fathom how much of a hassle it would be for me to use the mens room? I don't look remotely male. Do you have any idea how disinterested I am in spying on other women? Completely.
Simple solution is to put a sign under the women symbol on the door saying "This is a nut free zone"
Of course you don't understand, you don't want to understand that pre-adult females have rights also. This has nothing to do with people that are really transgender and everything to do with people that will pretend to be so they can, without violating any law or restriction, walk into the women's restroom, gym, shower and prey on pre-adult or other vulnerable females. There is no way for the law to know what is in someone's mind. If one wants law and order then we need simple rules that protect the most vulnerable. The most vulnerable are pre-adult females with their pants down in public or semi-public facilities.
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The resistance, at least from the people I know both from here in the midwest and working in every major city in the U.S., has nothing to do with you and your life. if you are a true transgender, and not a pervert (and i don't expect you are) then there is no problem.
It has everything to do with people in the LGBT community not having any respect for the privacy and protection of pre-adult non-transgender females. For not being able to see the ramifications of the laws and lack of restrictions that will result. That the LGBT community does not care one bit about protecting pre-adult females from male predators, who are not transgender, but can say without impunity that they are as an aid to their pervert activities.
The problem is the at LGBT community has picked a solution that puts children at risk. And yes it is easy for a lot of people to make the leap as to why that does not matter to anyone in the LGBT community.
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It was Republican president Abraham Lincoln who freed the slaves (democrats fought to maintain and expand slavery and they were also the founders of the KKK)
The 1964 civil right act was supported by a higher percentage of Republicans: In Congress voted in favor 80% of Republicans and 63% of Democrats and in the Senate by 82% Republicans and 69% Democrats (not like you stated that 50% didn't support it)
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since you didn't understand what I wrote, please read it again and few more times or ask one of your non biased teacher to explain it to you.
I said: 50% of the USA as a mean of representation doesn't agree with the other 50% on the transgender bathroom law.
let's stop the madness and let's talk about Macs
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Yes, the Republicans freed the slaves, but you might actually want to ask your teacher about the history of politics in your country, because back then the Republicans were the party of the left. Here's a quick summary of how things changed...
Science? What science? Care to provide some facts?
Science also says there are just two genders. That doesn't stop mentally ill people to claim that there are more then 30 genders. And that doesn't stop some other people in supporting those claims
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/
http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/
http://www.ozy.com/pov/check-the-science-being-trans-is-not-a-choice/69726
So, you're wrong.
Couldn't anyone do that now or for that matter at any time in the past? Again why are Transgender people being categorized as pedophiles, drug addicts, and tattooed degenerates that need laws to direct them where to pee? Two different things... Get it? "Of course you don't understand, you don't want to understand".
Your bias and phobia of the Transgender community is apparent. We could go round and round forever. I feel you are judging these people based on your preconceived ideas. Do you know any Transgender folks? I do. Some are more attractive than some of the woman I see walking into the restrooms in my area and are no more a pedophile than Donald Trump.
Heck the guy that was my service advisor at the Audi dealer took a leave of absence and came back to work as a female. I watched (HER) walk into a restroom and come back out. No one died, no one was molested, no crimes were committed, and everyone went about their business. BTW, there was a child in the waiting area that did not even notice her. The only reason I did was because I knew her as a woman and as a man.
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This is true. I concur.
Not many people take time to educate themselves, but take plenty of time to regurgitate partisan nonsense.
Funny thing is I don't have any friends that are so uneducated and misinformed that I have to debate their facts endlessly. Only on the forums do we get a melting pot.
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If Vox (the biggest race, gender, religion, identity bater liberal progressive SJW production company) made a video...it must be "TRUE"...!
I stopped watching this VOX leftist propaganda video link at the 9th second when I heard "White voter" and "Trump has been inciting racial tension" by the "Washing Post"!!!!
Again, let's talk about Mac Computers !!!!!! Let's talk about Mac OS !!!!! AppleScript !!!!!!
There is already too much radical left propaganda fake news every day on 99% of every network, news sites, social networks as well as whining liberal twitter/facebook users and it's soooo boring !
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I can say this....back in my day...100% of the boys in high school would have said they were transgender if that was an option. The boys locker room would have been empty .
.The very first part of my post was clear. It has nothing to do with transgender people. And I concur we will never get anyplace with the conversation as long as folks continue to ignore what is/was said. I never said transgender people were pedophiles, drug addicts, and tattooed degenerates. I said that pedophiles and other degenerates would use these types of laws to pray on innocent pre-adult non-transgender females and there is nothing to stop them. Today if a man walks into a restroom everyone is on alert and people will complain or whatever. In most places it is against the law.
If we say that anyone can walk into any a female restroom, locker room, shower, etc. just because they think in their mind they are a women, then when the pervert (a real pervert, let me clear here since you seem to assume at lot. I am not talking about any transgender person, unless they happen to also be a pervert) walks into the restroom no one will do a damn thing, because the pervert (again because you seem to have trouble understanding, not a normal transgender person) will sue anyone complaining because for those 15 minutes the pervert will have thought he was a woman.
This is simply an unacceptable solution for anyone that values the rights and safety of pre-adult females in public restrooms, regardless of the feelings of the LGBT community.
Except that basically never happens nt5672, and when it does it's really obvious that it's a pervert not a trans person.
I was a trans teenager, and I remember using the appropriate restroom at school and it's terrifying at first!
What was I to do?
[doublepost=1488817696][/doublepost]Shockingly, 10 years ago living in the UK it was a non-issue, nobody really cared or took much notice. Nothing terrible happened, boys didn't flock to claim they were trans.
I was a trans teenager, and I remember using the appropriate restroom at school and it's terrifying at first!
What was I to do?
[doublepost=1488817696][/doublepost]Shockingly, 10 years ago living in the UK it was a non-issue, nobody really cared or took much notice. Nothing terrible happened, boys didn't flock to claim they were trans.
Sure, the party made up of "old white men" were the reason that Trump got elected and it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that white college educated women broke to Trump or that Trump got record high levels of the black and Latino vote, right?
Your "old white man" party excuse doesn't explain why the Dems have lost 100's of seats in state legislatures over the past 10 years all over the country.
I'm not a Republican but I identify more and more with them when I see how far down the road to socialist hell the left has gone and feels we haven't even gone 1/2 far enough in their view.
I think it's hilarious that you are going to cite the APA as a bible in this when up until about 10 years ago they most certainly did identify gender dysphoria as a mental illness.
While some research has shown that sexual attraction is a spectrum and that men might be attracted to other men or women to other women, there's zero research to date that shows that there are anything other than two sexes.
Liberals, all about science, right?
By all means keep tuning into Samantha Bee and Trevor Noah and be smug in the knowledge that you enlightened liberal traveler have the answers and that everyone else is just a knuckle dragging "old white guy" idiot.
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Because virtue signaling.
Very good post. It seems like every person concerned with this ends up getting their words twisted.
Edit: One thing to add is that there is no discrimination here in any form. Discrimination would be if someone who is transgender was denied the ability to use the restroom. I do not see any instance where anyone is stating they should not have access to these facilities. We all have the same rights when it comes to the restroom, locker room, and changing rooms. When someone denies someone the right to use the restroom because they are transgender...then that is an issue.
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I think that people get confused about what constitutes "rights". Rights are something we inherently have that don't require government permission and don't require others to furnish them.
The Bill of Rights simply codifies the natural born rights that the constitutional framers recognize each of us has and recognizes those rights and specifically says "hands off" to the government.
Using the bathroom that does not match your genetic makeup is not a "right".
The ability to speak, peacefully assemble, protect yourself and your family, all rights that are recognized by the .gov but they are not provided by that government.
The Bill of Rights simply codifies the natural born rights that the constitutional framers recognize each of us has and recognizes those rights and specifically says "hands off" to the government.
Using the bathroom that does not match your genetic makeup is not a "right".
The ability to speak, peacefully assemble, protect yourself and your family, all rights that are recognized by the .gov but they are not provided by that government.
Are you saying that giving rights to transgender people will somehow enable any male to walk into a woman's restroom claiming to be a woman and it would be legally ok to do this? Is there even any precedent for this sort of thing? I have never heard of one case referring to what you are talking about. There are laws already on the books to protect us from perverts and pedophiles . This whole issue is absurd and nothing more than paranoia.
The transgender person's that I have known transitioned from being a man to being a woman. While they were undergoing their transition they dressed, talked, and acted like a woman. If they walked into a woman's restroom you wouldn't even know it. It is my understanding that they also undergo gender reassignment. So unless you were willing to lift up the skirt of everyone walking into the restroom how would you know? Why is a law needed?
It is not an assumption to think that a person could do these things now whether it is against the law or not. My issue is every time this issue is brought up the topic of pedophiles and perverts follows soon after. I don't know about you but I keep my kids out of public restrooms anyways. My wife doesn't like to use public restrooms either. She's more concerned about the other women in there and sanitation more than anything else.
You are confused about what a right is. Nobody has a "right" to use the bathroom that they prefer.
Remember segregation? African-Americans never had their fundamental right to use the restroom taken away, but it had to be designated for "Their kind". Placing rules and restrictions on a certain group of people is discrimination plain and simple.
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I never claimed that it was a "right" I asked a question is it a right? Each society has a different set of standards. If it becomes socially acceptable that a transgender person should be recognized with the gender that they affiliate with, Who am I to deny that from them? That is what makes America great. There are places in the world where you could be executed for being gay, but not here. It is easy to pass judgment on something that we do not understand or for that matter do not want to understand. Fear of the unknown and paranoia are the basis of discrimination.
First off Transgender is not a race. Second there is no segregation. Someone who is transgender has the EXACT same right as I do. They are asking for special rights and considerations.
Yeah, I've heard that argument before about gay marriage, that gay people and straight people have the exact same rights to get straight married and not get gay married. It's baloney.
You enjoy the right to use the bathroom hassle free, I demand and exercise that same right.
You got it. Go to the bathroom as designated by your gender, and I will do the same.
I think the tricky bit is enshrining into law the ability for biological males to be in women's change rooms, showers, etc, so that people who are transgender can do so, but without making it so that people who aren't trans are also permitted to do so. It's very challenging to balance that as there are, sadly, creeps out there (who aren't trans) who would use those protections for the wrong reasons.
I don't see how you can enforce that either since it relies entirely on someones own self perception and feeling. At that point, is there even a point in having two separate change/bath/locker/shower rooms?
When a 50 year old biological male is showering next to you at the YMCA, suddenly the way they dress, talk, and act disappears entirely, and you're left with what is essentially just biological sex male (as gender female disappears). This will inevitably make some people uncomfortable. Of course, this is less pronounced when prolonged use of hormones, hair/styling, and if reassignment surgery has been done.
It seems to be far less of a deal for bathrooms than for showers/changerooms, I think. But I don't see how we can neglect how the rest of the population feels in order to make some others feel better.
Maybe single-stall everything is the way to go from here, I don't know.