Apple Among 60 Companies to File Statement with U.S. Supreme Court Backing Gay Marriage

[vvebsta]

We certainly have the ability to do whatever we want, but is it profitable (helpful) to us? No. Read below.

1 Corinthians 6: 12-20

All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be dominated by anything. “Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food”—and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never! Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, “The two will become one flesh.” But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him. Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

The point here is that food is good for the stomach (Lunch/dinner is a natural thing). But sexual immorality is not. Sex is good, in the confines of marriage, which is clearly stated in several places of The Bible is between a man and woman.

As for non-believers who say the Bible is made up, there is plenty evidence of lifelines in historical recordings. The only part, I admit, that requires true faith is the fact that Jesus rose from the dead to save our sins. This is the central tenet to Christianity, and what separates it from all manmade religions. The Bible has everything you need. Those who read it will understand that it has everything sufficient towards understanding God's plan.

2 Peter 1:3
His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness

I don't think what I said disagrees with what you said. I'm all for marriage. Why stop 3 or 4 people from getting married? There's lots of people in the Bible who had multiple wives. If they are consenting adults why not let them do whatever they wish?

 

[APlotdevice]

Reproduction is the organs' primary purpose. We, as sentient beings, can choose to use them strictly for pleasure. I am merely stating that, according to the organs' purpose, homosexual behavior is sexual deviance.

By that same logic wouldn't oral sex and manual manipulation between heterosexual partners also be considered "deviance"?

 

[melendezest]

Gay sex has been legal and accepted for decades. Try again.\

Also, just for the lolz, you think gay marriage will lead to "war"? Excellent.

Gay sex has been legal and accepted for decades.

In many societies, this is true. On ours, not quite.

Also, just for the lolz, you think gay marriage will lead to "war"? Excellent.

I was referring to situations when societies have fundamental moral disagreements with another society, not limiting it to the single, "gay marriage" issue.

 

[macintoshi]

Yes, it does. Do your research.

Exodus 35:2

Yes because some parts are wroten by mens feeling not spiritual guiding, but god says and the law cant be changed here: Dont Kill!Read 10 commandments!

 

[chriscrk]

No thats completly wrong, i dont go after them, nor do i kill em. As i said i do not hate them as long as they dont touch me. But i am denying them to marry in church, not becaue i dont love them, but because its a sin and will be forever a sin.

If people have right to attack religion, so do other people have right to defend theyr religion, and what you are talking about, it commonly happened in western society and thinking in fail of missunderstanding religion and not doing what bible really says. And no its not beeing abused everywere, only in some lands, so please stay with correct facts You are complety wrong here, the church does not control people, the believers are going in church cause of theyr faith, the church have no direct control of them in political ways, but rather in matters of belief. They want money? Well who dont want money? Your government and your israel lobbyst want money too, apple want money and you feeding them too, so what? And of course they pay taxes, since the taxes are included in state taxes, they have to pay the floor of every settling church. And by believing in god enabling extremist? And you are not a kind extremist attacking religion?Come on. Of course in my land, so what?

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No the bible does not say this, nor do i kill a gay, for life is very precious also this of a gay and a lesbian. Killing is made by politics masked as religion as you was in iraq for oil and thats a fact, doing what is antireligious.

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Oh i have many friends dont worry, just because you are that motivated, doesnt mean that you have right!

Again, saying "I don't hate them" doesn't make it magically okay. I never accused you of killing. You are, however, hating by denying people rights because of their sexual orientation. That's discrimination.

Sure, defend your religion, but why anyone would want to defend something so horrible is beyond me.
They do control people, you're just too blind to see it because you've grown up with it. It's psychological control. They lie to you by teaching you things that are not real and can't be proven, they convince you to believe it's fact and to defend it.

I'm not an extremist. You clearly don't know what it means. Extremists are those that kill and attack others because they don't believe in the same thing they do. I'm not going to go bomb a church, but I am however going to defend people's rights when a religious organisation denies them rights.

Look, the fact is that your belief is based on faith, and faith is believing in something without needing proof or evidence. So, you admit to believing in something that you can't prove exists. Not everyone believes in it, and no one should be forced to believe it, because it is NOT real (as opposed to say, science). So your blind belief should not affect other people and your belief should not have right to determine how others live their lives. To you it may be real, but to them it's not, and they have all the right not to believe in it because you can't even do the simple task of proving God's existence.

 

[iMacFarlane]

This is the central tenet to Christianity, and what separates it from all manmade religions.

I'll reply. As soon as I read the above sentence in your post, I lost all desire to have a meaningful discussion with you.

 

[vvebsta]

By that same logic wouldn't oral sex and manual manipulation between heterosexual parners also be considered "deviance"?

Is a spoon not merely a tiny shovel? So it should only be use like a shovel Yet kids love to stick it to their nose. Blasphemy!

 

[Nunyabinez]

So a better way to do it is to give a handful of people, meaning the court, the power on the final say? Why not just skip the people entirely and have a king decide? I know this is way oversimplified but in the end if the court overrules the majority vote then isn't this kind of like just having a monarch in the first place? Yes I am american born and raised but I've traveled a fair amount and don't think the U.S. way is flawless. One flaw I see is giving the courts too much power. It seems too easy to sway so few of people which have so much power.

Actually, the role of the Supreme Court is not to have the final say, but to determine if a given law conflicts with the Constitution. Granted, as times change the way that the constitution is interpreted has changed, but it's not like they just make a ruling on their personal opinions. They look at the constitution and the law in question and determine if the law violates the constitution. That is why they only take certain cases, they are looking at which cases will clarify what can and can't be done according to the constitution. And yes, this is far superior to simply letting everyone vote on something, because sooner or later you're the minority who gets screwed by the majority.

 

[melendezest]

Quote:
Originally Posted by melendezest
I feel Apple (or any company, for that matter) should not be getting involved in a moral issue. Especially a moral issue related to sex, the most intimate of all the things we do as a species!!! It is not necessary.


What an ignorant statement. This issue has nothing to do with sex.

What an ignorant statement. This issue has nothing to do with sex.

Anything associated with the term "gay", "lesbian", or "homosexual" is directly related to sex. I don't understand why this is ignorant. Apple is taking a stand to further the rights of people who choose to engage in "alternative" sexual behavior. I simply contend that this should be a private matter and not a company's business.

 

[chriscrk]

Reproduction is the organs' primary purpose. We, as sentient beings, can choose to use them strictly for pleasure. I am merely stating that, according to the organs' purpose, homosexual behavior is sexual deviance.

Basically everyone who doesn't put their penis in a vagina has sexual deviance. If you've had or have oral sex, anal sex, masturbated, you have sexual deviance. So it brings up the question, if the vast majority of people practice at least one of the things mentioned above, should it be considered deviant in society? Or should, for example, straight people who practice oral sex have the right to criticise gays as being unnatural?

Lots of things now a days aren't in the norm of what's "natural", doesn't mean it's wrong.

 

[jasvncnt]

Basically everyone who doesn't put their penis in a vagina has sexual deviance. If you've had or have oral sex, anal sex, masturbated, you have sexual deviance. So it brings up the question, if the vast majority of people practice at least one of the things mentioned above, should it be considered deviant in society? Or should, for example, straight people who practice oral sex have the right to criticise gays as being unnatural?

Lots of things now a days aren't in the norm of what's "natural", doesn't mean it's wrong.

Oh I am so going to Hell!

 

[chriscrk]

Oh I am so going to Hell!

Hell must be a pretty awesome place.

 

[vvebsta]

Again, saying "I don't hate them" doesn't make it magically okay. I never accused you of killing. You are, however, hating by denying people rights because of their sexual orientation. That's discrimination.

Sure, defend your religion, but why anyone would want to defend something so horrible is beyond me.
They do control people, you're just too blind to see it because you've grown up with it. It's psychological control. They lie to you by teaching you things that are not real and can't be proven, they convince you to believe it's fact and to defend it.

I'm not an extremist. You clearly don't know what it means. Extremists are those that kill and attack others because they don't believe in the same thing they do. I'm not going to go bomb a church, but I am however going to defend people's rights when a religious organisation denies them rights.

Look, the fact is that your belief is based on faith, and faith is believing in something without needing proof or evidence. So, you admit to believing in something that you can't prove exists. Not everyone believes in it, and no one should be forced to believe it, because it is NOT real (as opposed to say, science). So your blind belief should not affect other people and your belief should not have right to determine how others live their lives. To you it may be real, but to them it's not, and they have all the right not to believe in it because you can't even do the simple task of proving God's existence.

Here here! Finally someone who makes sense! I grew up religious when i was young and it wasn't until I was older that I realized that religion is just a set of rules! Who are they to tell me which rules to live by? It was so dumb. So I just decided to make my own rules. It's so freeing. From now on if I come across something I don't understand I can just choose either to believe it or not believe it depending on what I think about it. If its something cool I'll usually go along with it but I HATE RULES!! So don't tell me that I can't marry someone!

 

[likemyorbs]

Hell must be a pretty awesome place.

Been there before, it's actually quite lovely this time of the year.

 

[rdowns]

Reproduction is the organs' primary purpose. We, as sentient beings, can choose to use them strictly for pleasure. I am merely stating that, according to the organs' purpose, homosexual behavior is sexual deviance.

Really? I have my fair share of sex but I use my organ to pee way more than to ****.

 

[phillipduran]

Hmm, I'm wondering why nobody is responding to my post. I have a hunch.

Someone posted the reason earlier but had the finger pointed in the wrong direction.

Something about the truth making others head for the hills.

Excellent and informative post Green4U. Thanks for taking the time to word that so eloquently.

 

[likemyorbs]

Really? I have my fair share of sex but I use my organ to pee way more than to ****.

I use mine as a pull-up bar for little people.

 

[rdowns]

Oh I am so going to Hell!

If that's where the afterlife oral and anal are happening, count me in.

 

[Oletros]

Reproduction is the organs' primary purpose.

Apart of waste elimination?

 

[macintoshi]

Again, saying "I don't hate them" doesn't make it magically okay.

Neither does the opposite.

I never accused you of killing.

I know.

You are, however, hating by denying people rights because of their sexual orientation. That's discrimination.

No thats completly wrong, i dont hate anybody by denying theyr sexual orientation, this is why i said, they can do whatever they want outside our church, but sincerly in our church gay marriage wont be allowed because of sin cant be allowed in church of god. But as i said again, they can of course mary elsewere and as long as they dont touch me, i dont touch them and i dont hate them in anyway.But they have to respect and know that religion has nothing to do with theyr carnal ways and body or earthly thinking.

Sure, defend your religion, but why anyone would want to defend something so horrible is beyond me.

Nothing is horrible here, i dont know why is horrible to you, but i dont share your toughts in this.

They do control people, you're just too blind to see it because you've grown up with it. It's psychological control. They lie to you by teaching you things that are not real and can't be proven, they convince you to believe it's fact and to defend it.

Completly wrong, nobody is forced to belief in god, they have a free will, nobody is controlled, any christian is in control of himself against his sins and try to overcome them. No psychological control at all. Its my pure will to be so. No they dont lie tome, because they are me and i am them, of the same blood, you are accuseing my people here and try to convince a blood of theyr own and christ is my blood too, by the way. And of course tehy are real, all things happened infront of our eyes and we have been testimonies of it. And of course it can be prooven, but its only gods right to proove himself, but it will be late for you by then, but i pray for you my friend.

I'm not an extremist. You clearly don't know what it means. Extremists are those that kill and attack others because they don't believe in the same thing they do. I'm not going to go bomb a church, but I am however going to defend people's rights when a religious organisation denies them rights.

Of course you are an extremist too that way, cause your military bombed alot of lands and had done alot of harm, consider that as extremism, cause your military have allready shown how extreme you are and misleading you todo evil. And i of cousre know what it means dont worry about that. I am not forceing nobody to believe in what i say, but i believe as i think its correct and as my foreelders teached me and also those who dont believe so have to respect that aswell, as i do respect them, so if my people tecah me what an antichrist is, it sure it and its not a lie. Religious organisation do not deny any rights outside them, because even satan will have righst on earth and even you are free to defend his rights too, but life is short

Look, the fact is that your belief is based on faith, and faith is believing in something without needing proof or evidence.

Thats not exactly truth, faith is also based on things that really happened, but its better to believe in the unseen and unknown, to make it known, thats also truth.

So, you admit to believing in something that you can't prove exists.

I do not admit anything here, this is your viewpoint, not mine.

Not everyone believes in it, and no one should be forced to believe it,

Correct!

because it is NOT real (as opposed to say, science).

Wrong, you cant say its not real, you dont know it, nor can you proove what real and unreal.

So your blind belief should not affect other people and your belief should not have right to determine how others live their lives.

Thats a false statement, my belief is not blind, but yours infact and i have the right to spread my belief as i wish and you have no right to break it and exactly this what you said here is infact extremism and brainwashing you do to people, as you are against free speech, my free speech, what kind of freedom are you defending?If you defend freedom, you should not be onesided my friend.

To you it may be real, but to them it's not, and they have all the right not to believe in it because you can't even do the simple task of proving God's existence.

Yes i dont need to proove anything, because i have no right todo so, and others have not right too, since god have right only byelf to proove himself, so who are you to judge god? And yes they have free will todo what they want and i have free will todo what i want!

 

[phillipduran]

Yes, it does. Do your research.

Exodus 35:2

So whoever does work on the 7th day must be put to death. . .

Ok, I'll bite on this one. So first you need to know which death they must suffer? There are two possible deaths. One when your physical body dies, and the second when your soul gets sent to hell.

We are all on the path to two deaths. Anyone who sins or has inherited sins will suffer the second death. So yes, indeed violating the sabbath will end in your death.

BUT there is hope, and it is in John 3:16. Jesus came here not to change anything but to provide a way to pay for your sins. Paying for sins saves you from the second death.

So with the acceptance of Jesus as your savior, your sins are paid for and the death you would have suffered wont happen since your sins are forgiven by the gift from God paid for by Jesus.

Amazing how it all works, is all consistent, and is completely flawless. You wont find fault nor contradiction in the bible and that alone should be all the proof you need to be certain of the divine influence and validity of the bible.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.

 

[highdough]

If i had a dollar for every time a gay compared themselves to black and slavery in this thread, id buy another ipad.

Well, I'm not gay, and I'm guessing a lot of pro-gay marriage people here aren't, as well. The point is that it's a civil rights issue that seems like it should be a no-brainer, but apparently it's not. That's what the comparison is about. I don't think anyone equates the current gay and lesbian situation to slavery, but that's not the point of bringing it up.

 

[macintoshi]

Here here! Finally someone who makes sense! I grew up religious when i was young and it wasn't until I was older that I realized that religion is just a set of rules! Who are they to tell me which rules to live by? It was so dumb. So I just decided to make my own rules. It's so freeing. From now on if I come across something I don't understand I can just choose either to believe it or not believe it depending on what I think about it. If its something cool I'll usually go along with it but I HATE RULES!! So don't tell me that I can't marry someone!

No rules, considerations!

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Been there before, it's actually quite lovely this time of the year.

I would'nt like it there if i were you and you certainly never been there

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If that's where the afterlife oral and anal are happening, count me in.

Certainly not

 

[vvebsta]

I don't see why pro-gay marriage advocates don't back me up on polygamy, bigamy, public nudity and sex in the streets! Two men and two women why not two men and a woman or two women and a man? Or one man married to a man and a woman but in different marriages? If they are consenting adults why not?

As far as public nudity and sex in public, I don't see how it is any different than showing it in the media which they already do anyway. You have the option to look away or change the channel. It doesn't affect your life.

I'm a straight person and I ask where are my rights to do these things??? Discrimination!!!

 

[highdough]

Hmm, I'm wondering why nobody is responding to my post. I have a hunch.

You mean the one where you started bringing up quotes from the bible? I ignored it because I don't care what the bible says. Why would I? It's a collection of stories, some based on fact, others not, from various authors at various points in history. I find it funny when people try and quote Jesus from the bible when Jesus didn't even speak English. You're relying on a story written years after Jesus apparently died by someone who probably never met him, translated several times.

Sorry, but bible quotes are a non-starter for me and I'm guessing a lot of other people.