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You mean "very very very very very piss poor". As in the superlative of "piss poor". Or the "super-superlative" of "piss poor".

A small local restaurant group with 12 restaurants in the valley donates more to local non-profit causes than Apple.

The turtlenecked overlord is gone, we can hope that The Tim does better.

It would be nice if they also bring back the good education support they us to supply. Apple EDU support has been dropping like a rock over the past few years.
In EDU support they should really take a cue from MS who provides amazing edu supply for students.
Hopefully with the overload gone they will do that.
 
That's not Apple's money to give away. It's shareholders' money, and I, as a shareholder, object to any charitable contributions given to any charity by Apple. Leave it up to individual shareholders to contribute or not to contribute.

You may be a shareholder, but apparently you don't have a clue how to run a business. One thing that a business has to do to be successful is retain good employees, and you do that by creating good working conditions and paying good salaries, with benefits at least comparable to those that your competitors in the job market offer.

Matching charitable donations is an employee benefit that is very much appreciated by many employees. Especially by employees with a good character who make donations to good causes, and you want employees with good character. For the pittance of $1.3 million Apple just became a lot more competitive in the job market, got some positive PR on top of that.


Employees can give, no one is stopping them. But as a Share Holder not my cup of tea unless it gives good PR then maybe I can see merit in it after all its really a paltry amount.

As an employee, and one that my company wants to keep, I can tell you that I compare prospective employers, and one of the comparisons is about how the company behaves ethically.
 
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You're in luck if you don't like that Apple isn't giving enough of other peoples' money -- you can boycott them.

Oh, you don't want to make that much of a sacrifice? Maybe your relationship with Apple is that they make stuff you want to buy, and you buy stuff. The end.
 
TBH, I can't believe this is even a news item. Millions of companies around the world give to charity every single day and news stories/forum arguments don't sprout up about all of them.

Apple gives to charity - big ******* deal.

Although I'm quite disappointed by the "shouldn't give shareholders money to charity" brigade. Makes me feel that capitalism now overrides basic human compassion. Very sad.
 
It is easy for an outsider to tell other people what to do with their money.

Why do you think is it that companies have to give anything at all?

Because they are nice or have money?

Please read up on the purpose of a business.

It is not to help everybody out there. Many charity cases due to government failed policies.

Apple employs a ton of people. They pay taxes (what is legally necessary), FICA, Social security unemployment., plus, plus plus.......

So, on a percentage basis how much of your income do you donate and how often?

What a narrow minded viewpoint without knowing all the stuff they do that isn't in their shareholders report.

By your standards they might as well take that matching money back.

Jeez!

Corporations have more power and more impact than an individual, thus they also have more responsibility. Also, corporations usually don't pay much taxes due to all the nice tax tricks that they have at their disposal - it's usually only the corporation's employees who pay taxes.

Apple has more cash reserves than the entire United States and they own more financial resources than many third world nations. I think it is the company's moral duty to give something back to the system that made that success possible.

And with more than 50 billion dollars IN THE BANK (according to quotes from Jobs and Cook), they could provide homes and free ****ing iPods for all the homeless kids in their home country without burning a hole in their wallet. They could actually put free iPads in all schools and they could make all school books available as free iBooks -- THAT would really give a boost to the inferior American education system and it would also help Apple to grow future customers who will have jobs that will allow them to buy more of Apple's luxury products.

They probably could even cure cancer for good if they threw a few of that billions into cancer research. Larry Ellison, the CEO and founder of Oracle, puts more money into cancer research from his private accounts than Apple gave away for charity in the last thirty years. And when you compare that to what Bill Gates does with his money, it all pales in comparison.

Apple could do unimaginable great and good things with a fraction of their cash reserve. Instead, they rather burn their money on foolish lawsuits against the competition that will never change the course of history.

The 1.3 million mentioned in the article are going to be used as a nice tax write-off. Apple will probably even increase their net income by giving some of their money away for charity. Donations of that tiny size (compared to Apple's turnover and net worth) are neither impressive nor actually philanthropic.


What a narrow minded viewpoint without knowing all the stuff they do that isn't in their shareholders report.

Get real. There is no such thing in a corporation. You do not move money in a company without a report. When it's not summarized in the shareholder report, it doesn't exist. Plain and simple.

By your standards they might as well take that matching money back.

When I hear things like this, I do not even have to look at your passport to know that you MUST be an American. Greed and unfiltered, unregulated capitalism are good and nobody is responsible for the side-effects and the collateral damage. Sure. You live in the hell that you created all by yourselves, and I actually wouldn't care if it wasn't for the annoyance that you try to spread that sick ideology all over the planet. And no, I am neither a socialist nor a communist. But I also do not believe in your cancerous glorification of pure greed.
 
They didn't do anything for charity for the past 15 years. It's about time they do something like every other major company in the country does. Their charitable work was a joke under Uncle Steve.


And why is Apple required to give a handout to anyone?

I think it's great that the employees are donating (and Apple is matching) some of their wages to a charity of their choosing.

I also think it's great if the employees decide to keep every cent they earn, and Apple reinvests their money as they wish. It's none of your business, nor the business of anyone else.
 
It isn't the Free Market's job to give people handouts. It is government's job to look to the welfare of its citizens. It's a nice thing when corporate entities do it, but to criticize this sector for not doing it is ludicrous.

Throwing money at a problem now and then doesn't help. There is the question of sustainability, and that comes from long-time programs that are specific to culture, region, country, and need. Corporate charity falls far short of addressing these areas adequately and over the long-term.

LTD, I have only been a member of this forum for just a short while, but have been a reader for years. I don't think I ever before agreed with even 1 of your far out fanboy rants.

I can honestly say that is the best post you have ever made (by a large margin). I never thought I'd say this but I agree 101% with LTD on this one....

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I'm not raiding anything. I'm merely posting on an internet forum. .

Actually you are. You are using this forum to push your far out left wing trash. There are plenty of "internet forums" decided to political discussion.

Why not visit one of them and make multiple posts about how everyone with money should be required to give it away in handouts?
 
I'm sorry I might have missed something.

Where does it say that this is ALL the money that Apple donates? Isn't this merely saying that this 1.3 million was raised from the matching of employees?

Is it not possible that they also donate in other ways? If someone has stone cold proof either way, I'd be interested in seeing it.

Also people seem to be glossing over Product (Red). Not sure why that is either.

Irritatingly, nobody has replied to my (very sensible) post, and instead are still running around arguing in this thread without confirming the facts.
 
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Apple has matched $1.3 million in employee donations for a total of $2.6 million donated to charity via a program CEO Tim Cook instituted earlier this year. Via the program, Apple offered to match U.S. full-time employees' contributions to 501(c)(3) charitable organizations, up to $10,000 per employee per year.

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The total was first reported by AppleInsider.

Article Link: Apple and Employees Give $2.6 Million to Charity Through Donation Matching Program
yea yea yea, and its just a fraction of the tax from their multi million dollar investments in WOMDs, another blue chip share company now,

i re edit my post, before apple deserves to brag about donations why not tell us all the names of the victims who died at the ipad2 factories, they only seemed to talk about how many ipad2 where lost and time to catch up with the market.

i cant say more rdowns, so far apple are angels compared to other companies getting away with murder, especially in 3world countries, ours soon to be one as well, saying anything about it these days is worse then during nazi era in germany now that these companies also have military security onsite, imagine apple was accused of tracking spying yet has hired a National Security cyber expert as their own cyber security man, coincidence?
 
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This isn't about Apple, Google, or Samsung. I don't judge any of them based on their public donations. I judge them on their products and services.

Really. So if Apple refused to hire African Americans. Or Gay people. Or Handicapped. Or if they donated money to neo-nazi's - you are saying you still would ONLY judge them on their products and services.

You didn't say only in your post. But it seems implied.
 
Really. So if Apple refused to hire African Americans. Or Gay people. Or Handicapped. Or if they donated money to neo-nazi's - you are saying you still would ONLY judge them on their products and services.

You didn't say only in your post. But it seems implied.

right on sam, seems that people are waking up and smelling the coffee, does not matter who you are and how much money you have any more in the US of A soon to be the next Bom(b)bay, what matters is the people running companies, goverment and politics dont do (greedy selfish) things we will be held accountable for by buying these products, i rather not have them if i know the whole world wants to nuke us every day.
 
Really. So if Apple refused to hire African Americans. Or Gay people. Or Handicapped. Or if they donated money to neo-nazi's - you are saying you still would ONLY judge them on their products and services.

You didn't say only in your post. But it seems implied.

No, equal employment practices are the law of the land. Donating money to charity that you personally or a publicly held corporation has earned is none of your business.

Your analogy doesn't work here. You're grasping at straws to try to force your own values on others - and I know this is hard for you to understand but you have no right to dictate to anyone how to spend money that they earn..
 
When I hear things like this, I do not even have to look at your passport to know that you MUST be an American. Greed and unfiltered, unregulated capitalism are good and nobody is responsible for the side-effects and the collateral damage. Sure. You live in the hell that you created all by yourselves, and I actually wouldn't care if it wasn't for the annoyance that you try to spread that sick ideology all over the planet. And no, I am neither a socialist nor a communist. But I also do not believe in your cancerous glorification of pure greed.

Yes, how dare people have the right to build a business from scratch, work 70-80 a week to grow that business and think that they are somehow entitled to spend the money the earn as they see fit....... I say if they don't hand it over to charities that you think up, they are greedy...

Here's a hint. Start your own business, become successful, and spend YOUR money as you see fit!! I bet you won't though will you ??? Probably because those evil greedy people should be giving YOU their hard earned money because you have no desire to work.
 
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Holding Apple to undefined and unjustified moral standards while pretending that they have failed at some sort of objective metric is either ignorance or intellectual dishonesty.
 
No, equal employment practices are the law of the land. Donating money to charity that you personally or a publicly held corporation has earned is none of your business.

Your analogy doesn't work here. You're grasping at straws to try to force your own values on others - and I know this is hard for you to understand but you have no right to dictate to anyone how to spend money that they earn..

Not really. It might not be the best analogy - but think as to why these laws exist now. They didn't always. And if you think corporations are following the laws that exist - you're not being honest with yourself. They either haven't been caught - or they haven't found guilty in court.

There are many companies who have glass ceilings for female employees - or who don't promote women remotely as fast as men. There are companies that don't hire gay people. They just find other reasons to not hire them. Or fire them.

And it's true - I don't have the right to dictate to anyone how to spend money that they earn - so is true for the people who get angered or say Apple shouldn't be spending "shareholders" money. Goes both ways.

p.s. social responsibility is EVERYONE's business.
 
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So they announce they are giving away money and people scream that it's not enough. Maybe they'll discontinue the program to save themselves all the grief.
 
Not really. It might not be the best analogy - but think as to why these laws exist now. They didn't always.

And if you think corporations are following the laws that exist - you're not being honest with yourself. They either haven't been caught - or they haven't found guilty in court.

There are many companies who have glass ceilings for female employees - or who don't promote women remotely as fast as men. There are companies that don't hire gay people. They just find other reasons to not hire them. Or fire them.

That's just FUD. Or completely off topic.

p.s. social responsibility is EVERYONE's business.

"Social responsibility" does not equal "donating money".
 
That's just FUD. Or completely off topic.



"Social responsibility" does not equal "donating money".

Make up your mind - FUD or off topic. Because 1) it's not FUD. and 2) as I was responding to the direction of the thread at the time makes it on topic.

And who are you do dictate or define what Social Responsibility is or isn't. Are you the arbiter. I'm not suggesting I am. But as you like to point out - that's your opinion, not a fact :)

Also - if you look at my original comment in this thread - I congratulated Apple on their matching program and hope it continues. I never was arguing on the amount they specifically gave. My comments have been in reply to statements which I don't agree with by members on this board. There's a difference.
 
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