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Apple and Facebook Reportedly Negotiated Over Ping for At Least 18 Months
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It starting with College students is how it took off. High school kids want to be like the College kids and were not allowed into the club until Facebook opened. Once that happened their parents got wind of that and they wanted to either spy on them or show them that they are cool so they got an account.
Next thing you know Aunt Shirley, Grandma Pat and that cousin you have not seen in years got an account too and started friending you.
Facebooks openness is what will kill them in the end they should have stuck with the college circle.
I agree. Myspace was/is exactly the same as facebook. What killed Myspace? Kids deemed it uncool and fled. Same is happening with facebook. Something will fill the void and it will go on like this indefinitely.
Social Networking!
Let's put it this way Apple should build their own social networking site integrate the iTunes, Game Center, Facetime, iWork, iLife and iAds. Advertise it along with their iPhone, iPod, iPad and Mac commercials how easy it is to socialize or work together in the clouds. Then more ads then more ads let's see they will be bigger than Facebook in no time. Then name it iSocial! LOL!
Let's put it this way Apple should build their own social networking site integrate the iTunes, Game Center, Facetime, iWork, iLife and iAds. Advertise it along with their iPhone, iPod, iPad and Mac commercials how easy it is to socialize or work together in the clouds. Then more ads then more ads let's see they will be bigger than Facebook in no time. Then name it iSocial! LOL!
What Ping Should have been from the start
Ping seems to have focused on the wrong idea. Right now Ping is centered around the artists and, honestly I could give a crap about the artists. If I wanted info on an artist, I could just follow them on Twitter or Facebook. They both do that job very well.
What neither do well and what Ping should have been centered around is the idea of #nowplaying. Most important to me is discovering songs my friends love. People tweet now playing because you find a new song you think others might like or an old song that fits your mood of the day and you want to share that mood. Now playing gets lost in a stream of other randomness on Facebook and Twitter, but if it had its own feed where I could find the friends that I already have on Facebook and Twitter it would be very useful to me. I would be inspired to download songs I dont have yet or add songs I hadnt been listening to to my ipod. I should be able to Shazam a song and send it straight to ping with a comment.
Ping should be smart enough to let me see the songs pinged sorted by genre, artist, whether or not I already have it, how many times my friends pinged a song which hints at popularity, if Ive never heard the song before. People should be able to ping a whole playlist if they want to. Podcasts, tv shows, and movies should get the same treatment. The potential for this is pretty big. Sadly, its being wasted. I understand they put time into trying to partner with Facebook, but Twitter might have made a better partner to begin with since it is where now playing was born.
Ping seems to have focused on the wrong idea. Right now Ping is centered around the artists and, honestly I could give a crap about the artists. If I wanted info on an artist, I could just follow them on Twitter or Facebook. They both do that job very well.
What neither do well and what Ping should have been centered around is the idea of #nowplaying. Most important to me is discovering songs my friends love. People tweet now playing because you find a new song you think others might like or an old song that fits your mood of the day and you want to share that mood. Now playing gets lost in a stream of other randomness on Facebook and Twitter, but if it had its own feed where I could find the friends that I already have on Facebook and Twitter it would be very useful to me. I would be inspired to download songs I dont have yet or add songs I hadnt been listening to to my ipod. I should be able to Shazam a song and send it straight to ping with a comment.
Ping should be smart enough to let me see the songs pinged sorted by genre, artist, whether or not I already have it, how many times my friends pinged a song which hints at popularity, if Ive never heard the song before. People should be able to ping a whole playlist if they want to. Podcasts, tv shows, and movies should get the same treatment. The potential for this is pretty big. Sadly, its being wasted. I understand they put time into trying to partner with Facebook, but Twitter might have made a better partner to begin with since it is where now playing was born.
PING is a piece of crap. Some guy who I don't even know is somehow my friend and has horrible musical taste. I signed on, check it three time later and will never go back. I thought Ping was already an invitation site???
That and Rupert Murdochs "News Corp" bought MySpace a few years back with the intent on profiting from artists and any others who post their work on their MySpace page. A few artists such as REM had to fight News Corp to get rights to their music. When News Corp took over there was a change in policy content that wasn't made "official" to MySpace users. Thus once "News Corp" acquired MySpace many were not informed of it. This led to many fleeing the social network. The same may happen with Facebook.
Any one remember Friendster? One of the first successful socially driven networks that disappeared as soon as MySpace came around. What ever happened to Friendster?
In summary, Mark Elliot Zuckerberg is not used to being in a room or doing business with someone more powerful of an ego than himself.
Steve Jobs was not only his match but exceeded way beyond this Harvard boy could imagine. Wouldn't be surprised if Steve walked in and shot a hole through Facebook's strategic guides spotting every pit-fault just to keep them on edge. From that Steve did a classic "release and wind in the reel" of this fish called Facebook.
By the time the product launch of the new iPods were here, Mark circled the wagons and cut Ping from Facebook. Notice Mark was no where around the iPod launch this month. My prediction is that Mark is going to go the path of Trip Hawkins but instead of games, his industry enigma will be the latest social network concept. BTW, who is Mark's girlfriend now?
Steve Jobs was not only his match but exceeded way beyond this Harvard boy could imagine. Wouldn't be surprised if Steve walked in and shot a hole through Facebook's strategic guides spotting every pit-fault just to keep them on edge. From that Steve did a classic "release and wind in the reel" of this fish called Facebook.
By the time the product launch of the new iPods were here, Mark circled the wagons and cut Ping from Facebook. Notice Mark was no where around the iPod launch this month. My prediction is that Mark is going to go the path of Trip Hawkins but instead of games, his industry enigma will be the latest social network concept. BTW, who is Mark's girlfriend now?
Apple needs it more than FB
It is clearly evident that Apple needs this integration much more than Facebook does. Even then Apple have probably started negotiations asking money from Facebook of this extra feature and FB has turned the table around and asked money from Apple. This is something new for Apple and it's probably hard them to deal with.
Anyway I don't care who wins the negotiations and if ping and FB will integrate at all. Ping is quite stupid attempt to penetrate into social networking business.
It is clearly evident that Apple needs this integration much more than Facebook does. Even then Apple have probably started negotiations asking money from Facebook of this extra feature and FB has turned the table around and asked money from Apple. This is something new for Apple and it's probably hard them to deal with.
Anyway I don't care who wins the negotiations and if ping and FB will integrate at all. Ping is quite stupid attempt to penetrate into social networking business.
First of all my opinion about Ping (as a music lover) is that it's a VERY thinly veiled attempt to sell more music, and nothing else. Last.fm it most certainly ain't.
Second, I'm an Apple user, and I know I'm on an Apple-centric site, but think about this from facebook's perspective. What exactly does facebook gain from being the underlying engine to Apple's Ping thing?
Facebook would not expand its brand to new users, since anyone who uses iTunes most certainly knows about facebook anyway. Facebook would experience an increase in traffic with no real tangible benefit, while Apple transparently tries to sell more music on top of their engine.
If I was Facebook's negotiator, I'd be a hard-ass about this, too.
Second, I'm an Apple user, and I know I'm on an Apple-centric site, but think about this from facebook's perspective. What exactly does facebook gain from being the underlying engine to Apple's Ping thing?
Facebook would not expand its brand to new users, since anyone who uses iTunes most certainly knows about facebook anyway. Facebook would experience an increase in traffic with no real tangible benefit, while Apple transparently tries to sell more music on top of their engine.
If I was Facebook's negotiator, I'd be a hard-ass about this, too.
We knew this is bad for Apple when they said they netted 1 million user in 48 hours. Really, thats not great news, 1 million out of the what, 600+ million? Thats just sad. Here goes another hobby project for Apple.
Uh, I got to choose my own name as part of the set up of Ping. You didn't?
Yes it says input your name and that the name you choose is tied to your iTunes account. So therefore if i choose a fake name wouldn't that cause problems with billing when i try to buy something from the store?
Is it just that FB said Apple can't use the API or did Apple want more? If they wanted more, I see potential conflicts in that Facebook might be less likely to help if you could only Ping on music you bought from iTunes because people buy music from Amazon, Rhapsody or other places, get copies from friends legally and illegally, and flat out pirate some music. Then FB probably wanted 1) high compensation for adding value to iTunes and/or 2) to do something with the information that people might not like.
Those posts were a joke, right?
Isn't facebook kind of ... a bit 2007?
NT1440, (rock comment aside) is right.
In 2010, a large number of companies moved their primary online presense to Facebook. Watch any TV commercial, and instead of a company URL at the end of the commercial, they'll show: "Facebook.com/company"
In addition, many major "free" and subscription services now have Facebook as their primary login rather than doing their own registration service. Major news and commerce sites are filled with sidebars showing your Facebook friends and telling you how many of them "Liked" this story or bought this product...
This trend has become so prevalent, that I fear by 2012 you will file your taxes to Facebook.com/IRS...
Why the name "Ping!" anyway? Because it is the sound of the store cash-register?
I'd like Apple to slim down iTunes rather than bloating it with things like ping, only very few people will actually use. Better yet... someone should make something like X-Slimmer to remove unwanted functions and code from iTunes.
I'd like Apple to slim down iTunes rather than bloating it with things like ping, only very few people will actually use. Better yet... someone should make something like X-Slimmer to remove unwanted functions and code from iTunes.
Was it ever alive? Ever needed? Hopefully we'll get the option to remove the ping link in the next iTunes update.
Do this do the same as Monolingual?
Wait...
Whait, I say wait a minute there boy...
This BING thing is like a chicken... wait until it lays it's golden egg and we will all have forgotten how his thing happen.
Here is my speculation, this is two sided approach.
iTunes > Facebook. Heck, this is great (artist thinking here) now I get allthis publicity from not just Facebook alone, but also from iTunes (the number one digital reatailer) More money, more money, more money!!!! BLINB BLING... I mean BING, BING
All, and all those aretis, not on iTunes yet (should I say lables, producers) their going to FLOCK to this idea and think of all the BING that they will get...
FACEBOOK > iTunes, you could see Facebook to iTunes integration, that is one could browse your friends catalog of music, video,books (any digital content on iTunes) they've bought recently and just click and listen intros, watch trailer, browse the book, but wait, none is making money there... how about if I could buy of the site... BING BING BING!!!!! Wow... how about this... iTunes could become the universal pay-store-site all in one, it it could bring smaller retailer in to a single point of distribution like iTunes has done for the apps market... so it could be an Amazon, pay-pal, store front, social media site all in one... BING BING BING BING....
How far and how fast they go... well, we will have to see... but in the means time... Steve, I prepare a business plan, ROI, and executions strategy if you are interested!!!! BING BING BING (for me)
Whait, I say wait a minute there boy...
This BING thing is like a chicken... wait until it lays it's golden egg and we will all have forgotten how his thing happen.
Here is my speculation, this is two sided approach.
iTunes > Facebook. Heck, this is great (artist thinking here) now I get allthis publicity from not just Facebook alone, but also from iTunes (the number one digital reatailer) More money, more money, more money!!!! BLINB BLING... I mean BING, BING
All, and all those aretis, not on iTunes yet (should I say lables, producers) their going to FLOCK to this idea and think of all the BING that they will get...
FACEBOOK > iTunes, you could see Facebook to iTunes integration, that is one could browse your friends catalog of music, video,books (any digital content on iTunes) they've bought recently and just click and listen intros, watch trailer, browse the book, but wait, none is making money there... how about if I could buy of the site... BING BING BING!!!!! Wow... how about this... iTunes could become the universal pay-store-site all in one, it it could bring smaller retailer in to a single point of distribution like iTunes has done for the apps market... so it could be an Amazon, pay-pal, store front, social media site all in one... BING BING BING BING....
How far and how fast they go... well, we will have to see... but in the means time... Steve, I prepare a business plan, ROI, and executions strategy if you are interested!!!! BING BING BING (for me
)Facebook wasn't a good choice anyway, really ....
I can see the logic behind Apple wanting to sit down and talk with them about this idea. (Would be great not to have to re-invent the wheel, so to speak, and to have access to one of the largest social networks in existence, linked to iTunes.) Problem is, Facebook is evidently not really a stable/solid enough code platform to handle the type of additional load it'd receive from millions of iTunes users constantly pushing more data out to it.
As it is now, Facebook is constantly experiencing issues and glitches. Often, you try to pull up a photo someone uploaded, only to get a "loading" type indicator for 30 seconds straight, and no image ever appears. Sometimes, status updates start showing up out of order, or the site fails to accept an update at all. You even get the "Facebook is temporarily down for maintenance" type of messages, once in a while, when trying to sign in.
Ultimately, I don't think it'll give the type of user-experience Apple wants their products to have.
I can see the logic behind Apple wanting to sit down and talk with them about this idea. (Would be great not to have to re-invent the wheel, so to speak, and to have access to one of the largest social networks in existence, linked to iTunes.) Problem is, Facebook is evidently not really a stable/solid enough code platform to handle the type of additional load it'd receive from millions of iTunes users constantly pushing more data out to it.
As it is now, Facebook is constantly experiencing issues and glitches. Often, you try to pull up a photo someone uploaded, only to get a "loading" type indicator for 30 seconds straight, and no image ever appears. Sometimes, status updates start showing up out of order, or the site fails to accept an update at all. You even get the "Facebook is temporarily down for maintenance" type of messages, once in a while, when trying to sign in.
Ultimately, I don't think it'll give the type of user-experience Apple wants their products to have.
On a related note, notice the selective use of colour here:
HA I never noticed. Very interesting. A subtle detraction of your own library for a subtle focus on the iTunes store.
I'm what people call an Apple fan boy. I'm die hard Apple! We buy all Apple for our employees and I buy most of the Apple hardware for my gadget collection. Love the OS and love the company.
However, PING SUCKS ! What a joke. Steve needs to eat some humble pie and work with Facebook to integrate iTunes into the FB universe. Ping blows hard!
However, PING SUCKS ! What a joke. Steve needs to eat some humble pie and work with Facebook to integrate iTunes into the FB universe. Ping blows hard!