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If you have not seen the movie Trumbo, check it out. America periodically goes thru creating "inquisition panels". (Salem Witch, Communism, etc.). All in the name of high and mighty causes mind you. :rolleyes:Even though those events happened a half century ago. It is chilling how it echoes today's government.
 
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I doubt if congress is going to do anything one way or the other with elections coming up in November.

Mean while. The deadline for compliance of the court order is tomorrow. Apple can appeal the order but that dosen't stop the judge from being able to issue accruing fines or jailing until compliance or the order is over ruled by a higher court. :eek:
 
The FBI and this NY Attorney disgust me. They are traitors to America, the Constitution and American Citizens. An encrypted phone is free speech and an extension of one's brain. They don't have any more right to that information than they do to brain data. The day they allow this, they may as well allow waterboarding and electrocution torture of citizens to access what they know. Same difference.
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I hope that our REPRESENTATIVES do just that. Represent us and our privacy concerns against the alphabet soup mafia. Keep track of the congressmen who are obvious shills of this power grab and vote them out.

It's Obama leading this Unconstitutional assault on our rights. Wake up.
 
We need an NRA equivalent for the 4th amendment!

God, yes we do.

Anyone who says Apple should "obey" is clearly misinformed, oblivious, fear-mongering, irrational people who do not understand the repercussions of this.

You could say, first one iPhone, then millions, then the thoughts in our brains. Well 20 years ago, no one would have thought it wold be digital, which it is, and now the Feds are wanting us to obey in the name of "National Security". Simply a joke to ANYONE who cares about their Constitutional Rights.
 
This will be about who can scare the people more.

FBI: Terrrrrorrrrrists are coming to keeeeel you and we need backdoors to find them.
Apple: Terrrrrorrrrrists are coming to keeeeel you once they find FBI backdoors to track you.
FBI: shut up
Apple: No you shut up.
FBI: I said it first
Apple: We said it to infinity

:eek:

Spot on - it's about fearmongering. You notice Tim Cook does not question the official narrative of what might have actually happened in San Bernadino (government involvement). I can't help but suspect this is all a show.
 
We need an NRA equivalent for the 4th amendment!
That is what the ACLU was when it originally started off.

Then in the '60s, it had a left wing takeover to hide seditious acts against the government where it exclusively supported socialist / progressive political agendas. To this day, the ACLU refuses to support Second Amendment defense cases.
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Spot on - it's about fearmongering. You notice Tim Cook does not question the official narrative of what might have actually happened in San Bernadino (government involvement). I can't help but suspect this is all a show.
From that vibes I get in Cupertino, this is far from a pantomime with the company in agreement with the government. A security back door forced into the iPhone would crash the company valuation.
 
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I think he means a radical organization like the NRA to lobby support for the 4th amendment.

We definitely don't need anything modeled after the NRA to support anything.

Those guys believe in their cause so deeply, that they have thrown out all common sense when it comes to guns.
 
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Vance last week said his office was in possession of 175 iPhones that can't be accessed due to encryption. "This has become the Wild West in technology," he said. "Apple and Google are their own sheriffs and there are no rules."

"This has become the Wild West in technology. Fellowes and the other shredder companies are their own sheriffs, and there are no rules, because they won't install a digital camera in the document feeder of their shredders, so that we can see what people shredded. I mean, in case there are documents that show they're guilty."

Hey Vance: STeffU, you stupid fascist.
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Wrong Vance. This is not the wild west. You have no authority that isn't specifically granted to you but you think you should have free reign to do anything. If you haven't been given authority by the law to demand that companies go to work to do your job, then you don't have the authority and those companies can say NO.

You're darn right encryption has widespread implications. Just like freedom of speech, press, travel, cash money, assembly, religion, protesting . . . I don't want a lock down society where we have to ask permission and show papers while the all seeing eye of the government is watching. You're just going to have to catch bad guys using other methods. Were not giving up our quiet private space, so you can catch a few bad guys. If there are consequences, fine, I promise to not blame you for any future attacks because you can't crack encryption.

Bravo. Well said. Go Iowa. The only state so far that's been smart enough to tell Trump no. :)
 
Spot on - it's about fearmongering. You notice Tim Cook does not question the official narrative of what might have actually happened in San Bernadino (government involvement). I can't help but suspect this is all a show.

Your in USA, where everybody looovves a good show, especially with several episodes and seasons.
Can't wait for the end where everybody hugs each other.

We need T-Shirts, buttons, confetti etc. and let's not forget the 25 year reunion with the current cast.
 
We definitely don't need anything modeled after the NRA to support anything.

Those guys believe in their cause so deeply, that they have thrown out all common sense when it comes to guns.
Was just a matter of time when this thread was going down the Gun Rights route.

The Founding Fathers were the some of the most ethical, brave, fearless and productive people of the ages. They laid down a framework of government that intrinsically countered the tyrannical leaders of the past from the ancient warlords, medieval kings to a very unethical and sexually perverted George V.

Specifically, it set up a set of rules where "mob rule" of armed citizens can remove any leader that becomes tyrannical. My favorite example was the Battle of Athens where armed citizens removed a corrupt county leader after fixing the local elections. One member of the armed rebellion became the next County Commissioner in an open election.
 
The deadline for compliance of the court order is tomorrow. Apple can appeal the order but that dosen't stop the judge from being able to issue accruing fines or jailing until compliance or the order is over ruled by a higher court. :eek:

Actually, there is no specific deadline in the court order for their compliance. The deadline you refer to, which was moved out to tomorrow (2/26) from its original date, is when Apple needs to formally respond to the court about the order...
 
The FBI and this NY Attorney disgust me. They are traitors to America, the Constitution and American Citizens.

No. They got hired to do a job, and they're trying to do it. Mind you, it's a very difficult job where sometimes legal boundaries are not clearly set, and a job that if not done right might cause a lot of harm.
Apple, as a private entity/citizen, by reacting in the way it reacted (and correctly in my opinion) will help clarify those boundaries thanks to the legal system that we enjoy but seldom recognize for its strengths.
 
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