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Apple v Samsung Sales Graph. Q3 is always the calm before the storm.

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Once again, this appears to be about shipments, not purchases. I'll wait till actual sales figures come out before rushing to judgement.
Kind of hard to do when none of them report any sales figures other than Apple. Notice Samsung used to report Galaxy sales figures when they were good but stopped once they fell off the cliff.
 
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it always amazes me how a company (Samsung) can have such a big lead and loose lots of money while the second placer with a much smaller share makes tons of money. (This is all with respect to the mobile devision of samsung).
Guess they spend too money on marketing and don't charge enough for their devices (especially the lower end ones, that give market share but don't make any money)
Because the phones that contribute mostly to their share are the cheap ones with low to zero margins. It shows that their high margin devices like the Galaxy S and Note series don't make up the bulk of their sales.
 
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If you don't mind a phone made by a company with a large number of bad business practices, IP theft, and ties to the Chinese government with allegations of espionage. Sure, some of this isn't publicly substantiated but there are enough other companies producing good products that there is no need to encourage growth by these two particular companies. For all its faults as a company, I'd take a Samsung phone over a Huawei or Xiaomi one any day even if it was inferior to products from the other companies.

Huawei got kicked out of a big Internet infrastructure project in Australia because they were putting spyware in their equipment.
 
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Yaaaaayyyy we are getting ripped off by Apple.

Small price to pay so that Touch ID works better than the one in Motorola Atrix, 3D Touch works better than the implementation in the BlackBerry Storm, A9 chip performs twice as fast per core with a fraction of the clock speed compared to top of the line Android phones, and etc...

But yeah, we're getting ripped off by those greedy businessman. How dare they try to make a profit?

No company is perfect, but Apple does so many more things right than others. Given that you can afford their products, there really isn't anything comparable.
 
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Beware, because Huawei/Xiaomi is not only chasing Samsung. Premium pricing begs for consistently premium experiences that easily differentiate from cheap clones. But cheap clone makers keep on trying, copying premium features and incorporating them into their cheaper-to-much-cheaper offerings. Eventually, there's so many premium features in the cheap clones that it becomes hard to rationalize continuing to pay the premium.

See the IBM PC story: a premium computer in its day made by a well-respected, premium company who then suffered an "attack of the clones." What happened there?
This +1.
There's not much left to ask to a smartphone these days, especially for those who use their phones at a barely (in my opinion) 20% of its potential. Facebook, light browsing, some photos and chats. The technical gap between premium products and cheaper offerings it's decreasing.
 
This +1.
There's not much left to ask to a smartphone these days, especially for those who use their phones at a barely (in my opinion) 20% of its potential. Facebook, light browsing, some photos and chats. The technical gap between premium products and cheaper offerings it's decreasing.

But does anyone think either Huawei or Xiaomi will even create a dent in the developed markets? China, sure, but anything outside of china? Hard to see at the moment.
 
What was the spin yesterday about number or percentage of iPhones sold in China? I thought I read that the bulk of gains were from sales there. Is that not true? I went and grabbed 3 quotes...

2:45pm We're investing in China for the decades ahead, and as we look at it, our own views is that China will be Apple's top market in the world and that's not just for sales, that's also for developer community. Growing faster than any other community in the world. Ecosystem there is very strong.

2:43pm A: China, we grew 87% on Greater China. Market grew 4%. Take Market minus iPhone, it actually contracted slightly. We grew without market growing. iPhone 6 was number one selling smartphone in mainland China last quarter and iPhone 6 Plus was number 3. We did fairly well. Economic question which I know there's been a lot of attention on, frankly if I were to shut off my web and shut off the TV and just look at how many customers are coming in our stores regardless of buying, how many people are coming online and looking at sales trends, I wouldn't know there was any economic issue in China.

2:07pm Revenue in Greater China nearly doubled year-over-year

From comments like those, it looks like Apple is hanging a bigger and bigger hat on China to grow revenues in the future. So if we pooh, pooh China like it doesn't matter if Huawei/Xiaomi could gain dominance there, we are probably spinning something as unimportant that actually is KEY to Apple's overall revenue growth future... per Apple's own opinions of China's potential/importance to Apple.
 
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But does anyone think either Huawei or Xiaomi will even create a dent in the developed markets? China, sure, but anything outside of china? Hard to see at the moment.
I speak only for my country (Italy), but I've seen a lot of Huawei phones in the wild. They are aggressively promoted.
Can't say the same for Xiaomi phones
 
If you don't mind a phone made by a company with a large number of bad business practices, IP theft, and ties to the Chinese government with allegations of espionage. Sure, some of this isn't publicly substantiated but there are enough other companies producing good products that there is no need to encourage growth by these two particular companies. For all its faults as a company, I'd take a Samsung phone over a Huawei or Xiaomi one any day even if it was inferior to products from the other companies.

You must be american.
 
No HTC in those figures ?

An oversight or they are doing too bad to be on the table ? That would be a shame as their products are alot better than Samsung
 
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If Samsung and others phones weren't being sold, retailers wouldn't stock them. So.. we can assume a very large percentage of these phones are being sold, and a very small number being returned to the manufacturer.
That means Apple should count all iPhone stocked at Apple stores and third parties too? Nope. Apple reported actual unit sold, not shipped ever. Look at their earning report. Others? Nothing on earning reports.
 
I guess bigger screens were not a bad idea after all.

And I'm still looking out for those "pants with bigger pockets" and "man purses." Based on my observations looking for those all over this country, apparently no one in the USA bought the 6 or 6s. ;)

I imagine how many more phones apple could have sold if they had bought out a 4" phone as well, with 67% of iPhone users not bothering to upgrade.
 
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It's not a great photo. And I know very little about the model shown, but I look at those thin bezels and how nicely the antenna lines are colored to blend against the case color and I find myself hoping the IPhone designers are paying attention to the looks of that Huawei phone on the left. If this company is copying Apple, at least they went one better on the aesthetics there with the antenna lines.
 
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Because the phones that contribute mostly to their share are the cheap ones with low to zero margins. It shows that their high margin devices like the Galaxy S and Note series don't make up the bulk of their sales.
That's because Apple maintains a higher standard of quality than Samsung. I'd like to see a chart that shows actual sales/activation of iPhone vs. Samsung Galaxy series only in the last two years. I have yet to see one that doesn't encompass all of the cheap, crappy Samsung freebies. I'd bet that once the iPhone 6 Plus and 6S Plus become free-on-contract, these numbers will change. Also, Apple has been making huge leaps in improving iOS. There's a reason why so many people this year switched from Android to iOS.
 
You must be american.
You could tell based on my impeccable grasp of the (American) English language?

The governments of the United States, Canada, Australia, India, and the UK have all had issues/complaints against Huawei over security issues (most of these were before Huawei was in the smartphone business; ironically, the U.S. used some of the security flaws in Huawei devices to spy on the company). A few years ago I owned a Huawei made smartphone and was not impressed (I know many of their newer phones are much improved and the Nexus 6P is a Huawei phone, which is an endorsement of the strides the company has made).

HTC, Samsung, LG, Sony, and Motorola all have excellent options for phones running Android and are without some of the questions concerning ethics, security, and politics of Huawei. As a company they are improving (and their products are improving) so my opinion is changing over time but if I were to give up my iPhone (not happening any time soon after I switched away from Android last year), I'd choose one made by one of the other companies.
 
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