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Well that's really fair.. Agree to the same terms with Amazon and reject the same terms from Apple.

Its the publishers choice... if they don't want to do business with Apple then so be it... fairness has nothing to do with it. Should the publishers be *forced* to accept Apple's terms? Of course not.
 
I just hope all the subscriptions are handled through a single app instead of an app for every magazine.

I also can't stand that every magazine on the iPad has a different way of browsing.

And do something about the file sizes. Wired is just ridiculous.

Something like the old Zino reader? Which was a fun app on the mac. I used to get MacWorld on it. It was a bit ahead of its time though, and computers at the time choked turning the pages. I always thought a touch screen would be great for it.

As long as Apple isn't trying something in the back end that would interrupt ad revenue for the publishers, I don't see the fuss. A magazine subscription doesn't cover the cost of producing the magazines and mailing them. The ads inside the pages do. I can't imagine that the 30% cut would hurt them. It should make them more money, or at least remove the loss on the paper versions. (Don't forget too that all the issues on a newstand that don't sell they eat... digital there are no left overs.) They need to adapt eventually.

Steve Jobs just needs to stop getting a hard on for control. I mean he needs therapy. "We have a great mobile ad platform, but you pay us more then everyone else and we get to tell you what you can do with it." Really?

*And with that, I can see why the publishers would want to control distribution. I could see Steve wanting to play editor and police content in magazines like they do with the apps.
 
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So, the two sides of this argument can be seen as follows;

1. Those who see the future of journalism as digital and prefer to read and save media on their computers,

and

2. Those who see the future of journalism as digital and prefer to read and save media on their computers, And want the digital media to be organized, approved, filtered and distributed by their favorite earthly god named Apple.

In other words the split here is as usual between the Apple fanboys and the other 95% of people.


What's with the fanboy ****? Apple build a model and is offering to publishers. They can accept or reject it and either build their own or find someone else willing to build it. Spare me the Jobs control BS.
 
I'm sure they will work it out, for now I will stick to my hardcopy subscription of Wired.
 
Its the publishers choice... if they don't want to do business with Apple then so be it... fairness has nothing to do with it. Should the publishers be *forced* to accept Apple's terms? Of course not.

Does Amazon share the customer's list?
 
Paper newspaper aren't obsolete, but slowly dying.

People won't be reading paper newspaper in the future because of technology - just like people won't be driving petrol based cars in the future.

It will get there, Apple or no Apple.

Now we know the real reason for the Daily - because no publishers want to sign up, so Apple are doing it in partership with a crazed Tory Australian!


People will be driving petrol based cars for a long time, the foreseeable future. Not everyone, but everyone that needs a car for more than simple commuting: trucks, transport, ect. Same with planes. Oil is used because it is a fantastic source of energy - the energy density is unrivaled. A hybrid carries hundreds of pounds of batteries to replace 20 pounds of gasoline!

Newspapers are history though. They have no inherent advantages to the internet and lots of negatives. We will still need a WSJ for culture and business reporting, and a NYT for science reporting, but in another form.
 
Right now, when I subscribe, the magazine only knows my name and address. If they know anything else about me, they get it from other sources. Here we have Apple offering them the same information, but only if the subscriber opts in.

The ability to offer an opt-in form for subscribers, which would ask them for a limited amount of information: Name, address, e-mail address.

If you really want to offer your favorite magazine a helping hand, you can opt-in. I guess many people would not and the publishers are holding out until this is not optional. You can go ahead and imagine the publishers as the good guys locked into a a struggle against Apple, but I cannot see it that way. Do you want my address? Give me a discount or something...
 
The publisher could easily obtain your information in app if they offer something for it. I can't see this as being the hold up. Where is Google/Android in this?
 
I sometimes wonder where all those romantic fantasies about Apple come from. Apple's has always imposed more restrictions on its customers than Microsoft, Apple has always been a huge bully, Apple is a patent troll and they always put a big price tag on their products.

Windows 7 Ultimate: ~ $300
Mac OSX Snow Leopard with iLife & iWork: $129

Unless you know of any computers sold by Microsoft, of course.

Anyway, 70% of the profit go to the publisher, not Apple. Should be fair enough, in theory. But seeing that Apple has almost zero costs and does not provide that much of a service, they're asking for a LOT of money.

Please, go start a service at no cost to you and start selling digital magazines. You have everyone's permission to charge the publisher what you think is fair. Seriously, what is stopping you?

But the real problem for the publishers is this: Apple makes it clear to them that Apple OWNS the customers and they do not grant the publishers direct access to their subscribers. Why is Apple doing this? Simple: iAd.

Subscribers will be purchasing magazines with their iTunes account not their Time Warner account. And I have a sneaking suspicion that the most successful online digital media retailer in the world has a far more valuable customer base than that of any magazine publisher. Magazines would benefit from it greatly.

If I was a publisher, I wouldn't agree to these terms either. Why would I want to provide content so that Apple gets an additional revenue stream AND can leverage MY customers for marketing and ad campaigns?

Because customers want to read your publications on iPad.... or, any other publication that makes it there first. Not to mention, you could easily increase your readership with millions of potential iTunes shoppers.

Why should Apple get away with a business model that even Microsoft never got away with?

Because it will make you mad. That's the only reason I can think of. :p
 
Why is Apple doing this? Simple: iAd.

If I was a publisher, I wouldn't agree to these terms either. Why would I want to provide content so that Apple gets an additional revenue stream AND can leverage MY customers for marketing and ad campaigns?
A magazine normally only knows your address. They have to integrate this info with other sources to charge a premium to advertisers. This integration does not come for free, publishers either pay for it or share revenue with other companies. When they sell advertising, they usually do it through advertising agencies for at least some of it. What Apple is doing through iAds is not much different, except for it being a one stop shop. Magazines would still get more revenue if they get more subscribers.
 
30% is irrelevant; most magazines actually make their money from advertising. Even so, how much of the cover price on a newsstand do you think the publisher actually gets? (Hint: less than 70%.) Even subscription prices have to include printing and postage costs, which vanish with electronic distribution.

--Eric
 
So, the two sides of this argument can be seen as follows;

1. Those who see the future of journalism as digital and prefer to read and save media on their computers,

and

2. Those who see the future of journalism as digital and prefer to read and save media on their computers, And want the digital media to be organized, approved, filtered and distributed by their favorite earthly god named Apple.

In other words the split here is as usual between the Apple fanboys and the other 95% of people.

Apple wouldn't interfere with the content of the magazine because it does not have Apple written on it. The only thing they would have a say in is how the app looks and performs. If Apple filtered and changed things in another person's magazine it would become an Apple magazine aka not what you paid for. It is not going to be a fanboy war, it is just a simple way of organising magazines on your iPad. Why wouldn't Apple push this if it is going to make their product look more attractive?
 
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So, the two sides of this argument can be seen as follows;

1. Those who see the future of journalism as digital and prefer to read and save media on their computers,

and

2. Those who see the future of journalism as digital and prefer to read and save media on their computers, And want the digital media to be organized, approved, filtered and distributed by their favorite earthly god named Apple.

In other words the split here is as usual between the Apple fanboys and the other 95% of people.

What's with the fanboy ****? Apple build a model and is offering to publishers. They can accept or reject it and either build their own or find someone else willing to build it. Spare me the Jobs control BS.

This ^ so sick of hearing strange people that just want to dig at anything successful. Face it. If you can't create, don't discriminate. Fanboy is such an overused and overrated term.
 
Apple wouldn't interfere with the content of the magazine because it does not have Apple written on it. The only thing they would have a say in is how the app looks and performs. If Apple filtered and changed things in another person's magazine it would become an Apple magazine aka not what you paid for. It is not going to be a fanboy war, it is just a simple way of organising magazines on your iPad. Why wouldn't Apple push this if it is going to make their product look more attractive?


Like they don't interfere with the content of apps?
 
Like they don't interfere with the content of apps?

If you mean, killing cats or worshipping satan or whatever in games then yah why would they wanna promote that stuff. I am pretty sure there is no satanist magazines on shelves.
 
I read a lot of magazines....Outside, Bicycling, Playboy, Esquire, etc. and if they all go digital I will follow.....on one condition....it has to have the same look and feel as the print edition. You can add all the extra videos, content, etc. you want but, if you don't have the print content that brought me to the magazine in the first place I won't buy it.

Hello? Any publishers listening? Add all you want but you better keep the original stuff too....
 
If you mean, killing cats or worshipping satan or whatever in games then yah why would they wanna promote that stuff. I am pretty sure there is no satanist magazines on shelves.

Apple has interfered to a far greater extent than killing cats and worshipping satan. :rolleyes:

And what happens when say Wired magazine does a story on how great Android is?
 
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I read a lot of magazines....Outside, Bicycling, Playboy, Esquire, etc. and if they all go digital I will follow.....on one condition....it has to have the same look and feel as the print edition. You can add all the extra videos, content, etc. you want but, if you don't have the print content that brought me to the magazine in the first place I won't buy it.

Hello? Any publishers listening? Add all you want but you better keep the original stuff too....

well you can be safe in knowing you won't get any flash advertisements :p
 
Apple has interfered to a far greater extent than killing cats and worshipping satan. :rolleyes:

And what happens when Say Wired magazine does a story on how great Android is?

touche. I think that would come down to the fineprint in the contracts the companies sign.
 
here's a crazy idea...

How about we have NO advertisements and just pay for the articles? What would be wrong with this? You're only going to get readership on good content anyway... why on earth would I pay for an iPad edition of a magazine if it offers no advantages over the print edition? In actuality, odds are that Ads are going to be worse on iPad... more intrusive.

I hope we'll see new media pop up to fill this gap.
 
How about we have NO advertisements and just pay for the articles? What would be wrong with this? You're only going to get readership on good content anyway... why on earth would I pay for an iPad edition of a magazine if it offers no advantages over the print edition? In actuality, odds are that Ads are going to be worse on iPad... more intrusive.

I hope we'll see new media pop up to fill this gap.

digital versions are cheaper than print, that's an advantage.
 
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