Apple and Meta Reportedly Discussed AI Partnership for iOS 18

[NT1440]

Preaching about privacy and then wanting to form a partnership with Meta - my kind of humor! 😂

Meta would not get any of your data unless you foolishly decided to sign into it. Otherwise it will work just as the current OpenAI offering does. Seriously, the hot takes here are really friggin annoying because it shows people posting this stuff haven't bothered to look into what their quips are based on.

 

[boss.king]

I think it's genius. Meta and MS's shareholders are eventually going to be out for blood looking for a return on the tens of billions of dollars they've poured into their AI offerings. MS is already desperately trying to get businesses to add ANOTHER $30 per month for the privilege of using CoPilot (we laughed at our reps when they brought it up. Double our spending for something that can't even be used in our field? Why?).

The problem is that none of these companies have a business model to recoup the tens of billions they've spent the last few years pumping into AI training hardware (and all the associated costs of data centers for it). There is no viable ROI right now.

Apple has chosen to allow users to work with these models, but they're smart enough to look long term and realize that only the "Too big to fail" players are going to be around in a couple short years. Small AI startups, funded by SPACS (read, short term scams) will either fold or be acquired by the big guys. But the big guys still don't have a viable business plan to recoup their original investments. So by not partnering internally with AI companies, Apple can let the list of vendors expand and eventually collapse, while 90% of what outside vendors were called upon will eventually be fulfilled by Apple's own internal offerings.

Apple is playing the long game on AI, and in the short term covering what most *regular* people would use AI for in the first place.

Sorry, what I meant was I don’t know if it was a smart move on OpenAI’s part. This deal totally makes sense for Apple, they get basically all the benefits and none of the downsides. OpenAI gets some exposure but also a potentially very large bill.

 

[NT1440]

Sorry, what I meant was I don’t know if it was a smart move on OpenAI’s part. This deal totally makes sense for Apple, they get basically all the benefits and none of the downsides. OpenAI gets some exposure but also a potentially very large bill.

Oh no, if OpenAI wasn't an intelligence agency asset it would be a suicidal move. But like Space X, they're not actually the public company front eveyone sees so they literally can't fail. I expect the only AI giants standing in 5 years will be Microsoft, Meta, Amazon, and OpenAI. And none of them will be actually *making money* from AI at that point, they'll be operating these services at a loss.

 

[bousozoku]

Titanic? As in sinking boat?
Generative AI is just the beginning and it's here to stay.

30 years from now, it will probably be very useful. Today, it's very concerning.

 

[wanha]

This is impossible to do. It's not the metadata like location that is the issue, it's the actual data processed that is personal. If you ask chat gpt to reformat a letter it will have access to the content of said letter and that is the main concern.

Ah, but in that case disclosing the sensitive data is up to the user.

If you ask ChatGPT to process a letter than includes confidential data or specifics such as company and people names, contract information, etc, then that's on the user.

 

[chrono1081]

You’re clearly not a fan of AI if you think what Apple is doing is revolutionary

Ok explain some other company that does what they’re doing. Did you even watch the keynote?

 

[Techwatcher]

Llama 3 is quite good. It runs quickly on Apple Silicon and is easy to use with LM Studio. Note that nothing goes to Meta when using the model.

We got a Zuck Spy in the forum

 

[turbineseaplane]

 

[Infinity Vortex]

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And nothing of value was lost.

 

[turbineseaplane]

And nothing of value was lost.

Good to know that Apple haven't fully lost their minds

 

[NT1440]

Good to know that Apple haven't fully lost their minds

I don’t understand, what’s the problem with Apple giving users a choice in what *external* AI they’d like to call upon?

I don’t like meta, in fact I despise them, but if people want to use their AI what’s the harm in Apple allowing calls from their UI in the exact same fashion as they do with ChatGPT?

If Apple is so incredibly behind the ball on AI as posters here would have you believe, what’s the harm in offering access to one of these mighty AI’s from the other guys?

 

[Bogstandard]

Oh!
Now I get the naff opening video for wwdc24.
Apple execs bailing from starship Apple and fleeing to planet Zuc/Altman.😉

Now I also get the "look me in the eyes" wwdc mantra "your privacy is safe with us. Trust us." 🙃

I sense some desperation to avoid another "Apple Car" failure.

j/k....(mostly)

I am increasingly loathe to upgrade my phone now.
More likely to wait a year to see what comes out of the upcoming AI/Human nature wild west show.

 

[rafark]

Ok explain some other company that does what they’re doing. Did you even watch the keynote?

Chatgpt was revolutionary. It literally changed the entire tech industry (and other industries too). That’s revolutionary. Midjourney was revolutionary. SORA is revolutionary.

What Apple announced was not revolutionary. The word means very little nowadays it seems...

 

[rafark]

And nothing of value was lost.

Only because llama is subpar compared to the competition

 

[NT1440]

Chatgpt was revolutionary. It literally changed the entire tech industry (and other industries too). That’s revolutionary. Midjourney was revolutionary. SORA is revolutionary.

What Apple announced was not revolutionary. The word means very little nowadays it seems...

It certainly changed short-term trajectories in the bubble that the tech industry is now participating in….

It has yet to actually do anything other than being wielded as a threat to the working class. But in 2024 it has not actually delivered on anything at scale that could be considered “revolutionizing” any industry other than stock hustlers…

 

[PsykX]

30 years from now, it will probably be very useful. Today, it's very concerning.

I use it every 1-2 days to code and it is insanely useful and time-saving.

It's like having a trainee that works for you. It requires supervision and not everything it does is good, but it can bring really nice ideas.

 

[bousozoku]

I use it every 1-2 days to code and it is insanely useful and time-saving.

It's like having a trainee that works for you. It requires supervision and not everything it does is good, but it can bring really nice ideas.

I can understand that. I used an editor that could tidy code, but the people who needed it wouldn't use such a good editor--something about warm and fuzzy feelings with their first editor. Back in the day, emacs was a good editor, vim was not but people clung to vim for whatever reason.

I know a few people who use AI for isolating a building or person to remove from a photo. That's wonderful and better than I can do manually without a lot of time.

There are tiny, significant uses for it, but for most people, not much.

 

[svish]

Good to know about this and happy that no agreement has been reached with Meta

 

[chrono1081]

Chatgpt was revolutionary. It literally changed the entire tech industry (and other industries too). That’s revolutionary. Midjourney was revolutionary. SORA is revolutionary.

What Apple announced was not revolutionary. The word means very little nowadays it seems...

I'm going to again disagree with you. Most people hate AI because it's so privacy invasive, finding a way to use it without that invasion is revolutionary and IMO will help bring it more to the masses.

 

[neuropsychguy]

We got a Zuck Spy in the forum

Sure, you caught me. I'm paid by Meta because I've tried Llama 3 a few times. Oh, I also must be a Meta spy because I use LLMs (although, Meta AI’s competition ChatGPT) as a tool to help with coding my statistical analyses for research.

 

[darngooddesign]

As Turbine posted, everyone can calm down now.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

Technically, in order for an assistant to be great they need to know a LOT about you; favorite restaurants, tv shows, vacation places, and sports teams, music preferences, bank info, daily routine, upcoming schedule, medical conditions, access to all your contacts, etc.

Because of this, if you rely too heavily on AI, it can really screw up your life. Not to mention, giving access to all that data to the most dangerous entity of all: the govt.

True, but Apple will make sure that information doesn’t link to you.
The AI built into the iPhone will manage that information privately. Other queries will be outsourced without providing your personal information.
Regardless, now we know that apparently Meta approached Apple and got rejected due to privacy concerns. Apple is not going to ruin their reputation of being pro-privacy just to make things easier.

 

[Karma*Police]

True, but Apple will make sure that information doesn’t link to you.
The AI built into the iPhone will manage that information privately. Other queries will be outsourced without providing your personal information.
Regardless, now we know that apparently Meta approached Apple and got rejected due to privacy concerns. Apple is not going to ruin their reputation of being pro-privacy just to make things easier.

And how will that work across devices? If Apple insists on doing everything on device, their AI will never measure up to the competition (as we found out at WWDC). They should have pursued a scalable (cloud) AI strategy and invested some of the $30+ billion they waste/spend every year on R&D towards building server farms to handle AI requests and this way they wouldn’t have to even consider outsourcing their AI needs to unscrupulous companies like Meta.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

I hate the idea of AI. It is not artificial intelligence at all. It is still programmed by someone With all their inherent biases and prejudices. Meanwhile Apple is morphing into a company I truly do not recognize.

i suggest you watch Coded Bias. You might understand some people’s dislike and fear of this technology. It is beyond scary.

That’s the whole idea behind those documentaries: to scare people and promote fear. Good click bait.
Some facts may be true in part or over-exaggerated. Also, there's click-bait, like what we get at MR on a slow news day. 😆 (jk!)

And how will that work across devices? If Apple insists on doing everything on device, their AI will never measure up to the competition (as we found out at WWDC). They should have pursued a scalable (cloud) AI strategy and invested some of the $30+ billion they waste/spend every year on R&D towards building server farms to handle AI requests and this way they wouldn’t have to even consider outsourcing their AI needs to unscrupulous companies like Meta.

Any queries requiring more external assistance get anonymized.
For example, you want to plan your vacation itinerary, the external AI provider will not know it's you; even more, the itinerary itself may not be available to them in a way they could track you or follow you. Your query may be broken down into pieces and put together internally by your device or by Apple Servers, which will erase the query and any traces after your request is completed.

The good news is that it's not going to be Meta 😁

 

[rafark]

I'm going to again disagree with you. Most people hate AI because it's so privacy invasive, finding a way to use it without that invasion is revolutionary and IMO will help bring it more to the masses.

And I’m going to have to disagree with you on both things:

1) Most people do not hate AI because of privacy concerns. They hate AI because of the fear mongering that it’ll take their jobs (which I have to admit it’s partially true) and some because of copyright concerns.

2) “finding a way to use it without that invasion is revolutionary” with this you just confirmed you don’t know the AI industry at all. There are open source models (open weights) that you can install and run locally on your own hardware. No internet connection needed. A lot of enthusiasts do this. As a matter of fact, a lot of people in the community prefer Stable Difussion over midjourney because you can tweak it to your needs and because it runs on your hardware there’s no censorship.