I didn't realize Toshiba made netbooks until I searched for them today. They really have to be selling something else because they're barely a blip in the netbook market.
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Apple and Overall PC Industry Post Solid Shipment Gains in Fourth Quarter 2009
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Correct...Asus and Acer and Samung and HP dominate. I think Toshiba recently showed some at CES...
Why do people have to spin this article into a Apple vs PC competition? The article is simply stating an overall increase of computer sales in the 4Q.
Toshiba sells many laptops in the enterprise market. They have been a competitor in the laptop market for as far back as I can remember.
Toshiba sells many laptops in the enterprise market. They have been a competitor in the laptop market for as far back as I can remember.
As did large December discounts for the holidays this year due to the economy. Dell was nearly giving stuff away, whereas we know Apple's discounts are slight.
5th place is a fine showing. Apple and its shareholders care about profits, not sales.
Alright. So what does this have to do with Apple's numbers? Apple ended up selling more of these stale disappointments quarter after quarter. I'm not sure how you're trying to tie this in with Apple's numbers. Clearly, the consumers handing Apple these record Mac sales are quite pleased with Apple's current offerings. So whose judgment are we looking at here?
Stagnant? Have you SEEN the numbers for Apple's Mac sales for the past 6 quarters or so? Not only has each quarter been a record-breaker (in a recession!) but Apple has consistently outpaced the rest of the industry in growth. Mac sales have been explosive, all throughout 2009. And this quarter's report is expected to show another record-breaker in Mac sales. In fact, Apple was pretty much selling more of everything in 2009.
Apple owns the Premium end, not only the most profitable end, but the one that builds your brand like nothing else. There's only so far you can push the Premium end in terms of unit sales, however. The top of the retail pyramid is narrow. Cost of entry into this end isn't cheap. Yet Apple maintained its share and still ended up selling more Macs despite a recession, completely bucking the "you have to lower your prices" trend and the "you can't sell $1000+ computers" trend.
Macs are not $300 junkware, nor do they compete with them. Cheap stuff sells in mass quantities. Especially during a recession. Nothing you can do about that. I'm more worried about PC manufacturers' midrange offerings that seem to be hurting from their low-end shipments. Toshiba is in an interesting case, however, possibly running counter to this trend.
We know you're here to troll and bait people, but at least make it seem you're up on current events before you decide to lower the quality of a thread.
Yes, notebooks. I've seen a lot of new models coming from Toshiba recently. In my opinion, Toshiba notebooks are of way better quality than HP or Dell.
Its not horible but macbook refresh wasnt WoW, (imac was but they fail to deliver it).
Apple have solid sales, but the introduction of new product doesnt make such hype. I think there is danger that apple lose marketshare even more when companies start switch to 7.
It is what it is. This chart shows unit sales. Why is everyone so bitchy about where apple is in this chart. Sure in another chart under a different criteria apple may be in a different place. Get over it. Facts are facts.
I can't wait for the Q01 figures to come out. Apple stocks are currently sitting at 209.59. Way up from 1 year ago.
It's a shame that Billy Mays died. I would loved to have seen him do an infomercial for Apple.
What a hoot that would have been.
It's a shame that Billy Mays died. I would loved to have seen him do an infomercial for Apple.
What a hoot that would have been.We're discussing what these unit sales actually mean. No one is disputing the figures or what they represent. It's why they are what they that is the issue.
It's a Mac forum, what do you expect?
Fact is Netbook's are a gimmick - I can almost guarantee a strong 60% of Netbook's bought from the General Public are used a few times then left to rot away in the household.
NVIDIA's Ion platform is coming along nicely, but the sincere lack of Atom development from Intel (no surprises there), the slow screen size increments due to Health and Safety laws, the prices have been hiking up and their original purpose being lost.
I think the Tablet of all forms (Apple, Dell, etc) will wipe out the Netbook brand due to higher functionality and hopefully higher performance.
Just last year Samsung released around 4 revisions if Netbook which were supposedly the same line - that is just unacceptable behavior in this economic climate.
1)Netbooks are a gimmick? Please elaborate. They've been crushing the laptop (non-desktop arena) for well over a year. Netbooks (like all things in life) have a purpose. If you purchase a netbook and use it for its intended purpose, it is an awesome (and inexpensive) product.
2)Tablets have been rumored and presented for decades...yet they are not adopted today. If and when Apple releases a tablet we will see what it's purpose is and how well it delivers. Period.
3)Netbooks prices, in my eyes, have remained the same over the past 2 years...ranging from $300 to $500...the average price, I feel, is about $400. I think there are 3 models that sell for $500. Once you get into the $500 pricepoint, you might as well *think* about considering a laptop for $100-$200 more depending on exactly what you want to do. My netbook cost $300...I use it mainly for my vacations and when not on vacation I use it a few hours a week to surf on the couch...the rest of the time it is plugged into my stereo streaming iTunes or internet radio which to me is worth the $300 alone.
Netbooks are a niche. Not a gimmick. Netbooks (as defined today) will never replace laptops or desktops or all-in-ones (like iMacs) or servers.
Lastly, if anything is a gimmick it's the Mac Mini (which I own)...nickel and dimed to death on that purchase (no keyboard or mouse and warranty (tech support) is only good for 90 days so had to upgrade to 3year warranty) which totaled $845 (far cry from the $599 advertisement). As a consumer, that is a gimmick...I'm a techie and knew what I was getting into. I just wanted the cheapest Mac.
-Eric
Ok, everyone bashing netbooks on here needs to chill. Netbooks serve a very important purpose in the computer industry. They allow people who otherwise would not be able to afford a computer to finally be able to get one. Many of these people simply want a computer to check email and play games online (such as those silly bejeweled type games). They don't need a $1500 dollar Macbook pro to do that, and will never buy them. The market is completely different.
My sister bought a netbook this year for her 3 and 4 year old girls so they would stop using her $1500 dollar HP Tablet computer. It works perfectly for the girls, they can go to their disney, and all their fun little kid sites and stay off mom's computer. Total cost for mom to get her computer back: $300. While we're on the discussion of tablets, she bought it because she thought it would be "cool", but in all reality, she NEVER uses the tablet side of the computer.
My room mate has a netbook. He uses it every day, and told me he will never need anything else. He prefers the netbook over a traditional laptop because they are portable, and affordable, and he doesn't have to stress out as much about "what if someone steals my backpack with my laptop in it" or whatever else.
For me, I have my Macbook pro, love it, and couldn't imagine downgrading to a tiny 8-9 inch screen, and a slow processor. I convert videos, edit music, edit photos, and do a lot of stuff that simply wouldn't work on the netbook.
However, someday, I may get a netbook for my "Casual travel" needs where I don't need my powerful laptop (or perhaps don't want to worry about it being stolen from my hotel room when I go out to dinner).
My sister bought a netbook this year for her 3 and 4 year old girls so they would stop using her $1500 dollar HP Tablet computer. It works perfectly for the girls, they can go to their disney, and all their fun little kid sites and stay off mom's computer. Total cost for mom to get her computer back: $300. While we're on the discussion of tablets, she bought it because she thought it would be "cool", but in all reality, she NEVER uses the tablet side of the computer.
My room mate has a netbook. He uses it every day, and told me he will never need anything else. He prefers the netbook over a traditional laptop because they are portable, and affordable, and he doesn't have to stress out as much about "what if someone steals my backpack with my laptop in it" or whatever else.
For me, I have my Macbook pro, love it, and couldn't imagine downgrading to a tiny 8-9 inch screen, and a slow processor. I convert videos, edit music, edit photos, and do a lot of stuff that simply wouldn't work on the netbook.
However, someday, I may get a netbook for my "Casual travel" needs where I don't need my powerful laptop (or perhaps don't want to worry about it being stolen from my hotel room when I go out to dinner).
Not trying to defend Apple here but I do believe that pocket computers will be the next big thing. (See iPod Touch, Cell Phones, Etc.)
You can't pocket a tablet though.
The iPod Touch, iPhone, Droid, Palm Pilot, etc. are all computer tablets. They're just more specific to different things because computer power is quite at the level of powering such a small device for more then general computer purposes (this will soon change).
I should have been more clear. You can't pocket anything bigger than a pocketable tablet.
We're looking at 7" - 10" devices here.I should have been more clear. You can't pocket anything bigger than a pocketable tablet.
A poketable tablet is still a tablet. I'm not going to disclose on my thoughts of how successful Apple's future tablet is going to be, but it's pretty clear that small tablets will endorse a heavy market once they're up to par. I mean the main reason for a netbook is that it's a very small and lite computer that does all of the basics (Internet, Word Processing, Full Blown OS, etc.). I wouldn't see the need for it if I could do all of the basics with something in my pocket.