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Shall I be as pleasant as you instead? :)

Again, I'm not saying they're equivocal; you asked me if I was and I said otherwise. But I really don't think all Tim Cook had to do was keep his sexuality on the down-low. Growing up gay around homophobes can be genuinely terrible and lead to parents disowning their children.

If you're going to keep framing my comments as false equivocations between the work of MLK and a tech CEO, I'm going to opt out of further replies. Have a wonderful day!

It could be considered racesit to say that the people Mr. Cook grew up around were homophobes. Unless of course you personally know all the people Mr. Cook grew up around? Just because he grew up in a State that had anti-gay laws in place doesn’t prove the people he grew up around were as you called them... homophobes. They may have been, but I doubt either of us can make that statement without passing our own form of racial judgements.
 
I absolutely hate the negativity on this site by a few members.

It's beautiful to see Tim Cook trying to do some good in this world when so many politicians are trying to destroy the world. Here in the UK, our country is truly destroyed by hatred and lies coming from the Govt and right wing press. Tim Cook and Apple are a true breath of fresh air. I certainly do not see Samsung or LG or SONY or Panasonic trying to do good for mankind!
Seriously, please spread joy - it really makes a pleasant change.
 
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It could be considered racesit to say that the people Mr. Cook grew up around were homophobes. Unless of course you personally know all the people Mr. Cook grew up around? Just because he grew up in a State that had anti-gay laws in place doesn’t prove the people he grew up around were as you called them... homophobes. They may have been, but I doubt either of us can make that statement without passing our own form of racial judgements.
Racist? Being from Alabama isn't a race. I think you mean prejudice.

And you're right. I'm assuming that people in a state with anti-gay laws adhered to those laws. I'm assuming that some point in 20–30 years, Tim Cook had some distasteful experiences in his home state because of his sexuality.

If that's the worst, most bigoted assumption I make, I'm okay with it.
 
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I absolutely hate the negativity on this site by a few members.

It's beautiful to see Tim Cook trying to do some good in this world when so many politicians are trying to destroy the world. Here in the UK, our country is truly destroyed by hatred and lies coming from the Govt and right wing press. Tim Cook and Apple are a true breath of fresh air. I certainly do not see Samsung or LG or SONY or Panasonic trying to do good for mankind!
Seriously, please spread joy - it really makes a pleasant change.
now i see why many ceos involving social-or politics fell short in business.
 
Racist? Being from Alabama isn't a race. I think you mean prejudice.

And you're right. I'm assuming that people in a state with anti-gay laws adhered to those laws. I'm assuming that some point in 20–30 years, Tim Cook had some distasteful experiences in his home state because of his sexuality.

If that's the worst, most bigoted assumption I make, I'm okay with it.

You know what assuming does? By the way, I’m not sure what you mean, I never called anyone from Alabama a race. But I digress from assuming. However, I know this, neither of us can say that everyone Mr. Cook grew up around were homophobic because they reside in a State that had antiquated laws. I’ve seen racism all around the world in many people groups. Even in places where there were no such laws. I’m still not simple enough to believe that I can make difentive assumptions about everyone. Fortunately, it seems Mr. Cook has done good for himself. A testimony to the fact that we can all move forward.
 
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You know what assuming does? By the way, I’m not sure what you mean, I never called anyone from Alabama a race. But I digress from assuming. However, I know this, neither of us can say that everyone Mr. Cook grew up around were homophobic because they reside in a State that had antiquated laws. I’ve seen racism all around the world in many people groups. Even in places where there were no such laws. I’m still not simple enough to believe that I can make difentive assumptions about everyone. Fortunately, it seems Mr. Cook has done good for himself. A testimony to the fact that we can all move forward.
You said, "It could be considered racesit to say that the people Mr. Cook grew up around were homophobes." There's no race I'm targeting.

Again, I'm not assuming everyone he grew up around was homophobic; I said, "I'm assuming that people in a state with anti-gay laws adhered to those laws. I'm assuming that some point in 20–30 years, Tim Cook had some distasteful experiences in his home state because of his sexuality."

No race involved here. No assumptions that everyone in Alabama is a homophobe.
 
I honestly don't know how MLK's "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." is compatible with todays identitarian left who seem to view everything through the identity of the group, rather than the sovereignty of the individual.

Identitarians who activity campaign against racial blindness as expressed by MLK. To wanting to regress to segregation, with universities wanting "no white days". Wanting to have cultural hegemony with no organic integration that is cultural appropriation. Etc.

Well said. I am in wholehearted support of the dream Reverend King shared in his famous speech. I think a lot of people today are trying to disguise their own agendas (which are diametrically opposed of his) by paying homage to him as a person while working against what he was trying to accomplish.

I am NOT saying that is what Tim Cook is doing. I frequently disagree with Tim Cook on social issues but I believe his respect for Reverend King is sincere.
 
You know what assuming does? By the way, I’m not sure what you mean, I never called anyone from Alabama a race.

It could be considered racesit to say that the people Mr. Cook grew up around were homophobes.

Uh huh.

However, I know this, neither of us can say that everyone Mr. Cook grew up around were homophobic because they reside in a State that had antiquated laws.

No one is claiming that everyone everyone around Tim Cook when he was growing up was homophobic, so you can drop that strawman. Alabama did have antiquated and homophobic laws in place when Tim Cook was growing up there, and the laws in place at a certain time and place tend to be a reflection of the values of those that inhabit (or those in power) at that place at that time.
 
I absolutely hate the negativity on this site by a few members.

It's beautiful to see Tim Cook trying to do some good in this world when so many politicians are trying to destroy the world. Here in the UK, our country is truly destroyed by hatred and lies coming from the Govt and right wing press. Tim Cook and Apple are a true breath of fresh air. I certainly do not see Samsung or LG or SONY or Panasonic trying to do good for mankind!
Seriously, please spread joy - it really makes a pleasant change.

The government definitely lies. Its one ofits only functions but are you implying that only right wingers lie?
 
Pfft, what does Tim Cook know about injustice, alienation, or minority rights? He grew up in '60s–'70s Alabama, a state that had anti-gay laws until 2000 ****ing 3. Life must've been a cake walk. Totally can't take him seriously.

:rolleyes:

No one should be discriminated against and Tim cook can be very proud of what he achieved. I like that Apple is more socially engaged. But to me - it is getting too much. Everyday someone important dies/died or there is some celebration day.

Does everything have to be political nowadays? It's a company that makes smartphones and computers. Why not focus on that?
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You gotta admit though, some these things Tim Cook do, like volunteering at a local school to spruce it up, I couldn’t picture Steve Jobs doing it. I could picture Lauren Jobs and maybe the kids doing it, but not Steve. He really has infused some humanity into the company.

And thats what I liked about Steve. He was ALL about making great products. There are so many companies that do this kind of PR work. There aren't many companies that make great products like Apple does. In fact, not even Apple itself has been that great lately.
 
I'm sure Martin Luther King is rolling in his grave seeing what his fight turned into. #metoo, BLM, antifa and rest of the garbage.

So you clearly don't have a clue to lump Antifa, BLM and #MeToo in the same category.
Martin Luther King Jr. would not be rolling in his grave for Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter is part of what Martin Luther King Jr. was about. The lives of black men in America are just as important as the white mens lives in America.

The injustice in the "justice" system has not changed dramatically since Martin Luther King Jr. The discussions of race relation in America were never had an leaves a lingering stench over America. From things like shootings of unarmed black men, to the justification of those same shootings. We recent had a cop sentenced to less than seven years for unloading his gun into an unarmed young man that was already on the ground, shot. He lied and three other lied and only when the tape was released did we find out the lie. The other three got no time for their part in the conspiracy and you don't understand and you call BLM garbage.

Anyway, you should get out more and understand more about Martin Luther King Jr. before you start assuming what he would and wouldn't have supported. I suggest reading a book called "Bearing The Cross" to understand the part of the Civil Rights Movement in America.

But to have understanding you must also admit that for close to 100 years America had apartheid, renamed "The Black Codes" and "Jim Crow". This country had racial policies that we not different from South Africa, which is why it took so long to condemn the South African apartheid system.

Have a reflective Martin Luther King Jr. Day.
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I absolutely hate the negativity on this site by a few members.

It's beautiful to see Tim Cook trying to do some good in this world when so many politicians are trying to destroy the world. Here in the UK, our country is truly destroyed by hatred and lies coming from the Govt and right wing press. Tim Cook and Apple are a true breath of fresh air. I certainly do not see Samsung or LG or SONY or Panasonic trying to do good for mankind!
Seriously, please spread joy - it really makes a pleasant change.

Agreed
 
So you clearly don't have a clue to lump Antifa, BLM and #MeToo in the same category.
Martin Luther King Jr. would not be rolling in his grave for Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter is part of what Martin Luther King Jr. was about. The lives of black men in America are just as important as the white mens lives in America.

The injustice in the "justice" system has not changed dramatically since Martin Luther King Jr. The discussions of race relation in America were never had an leaves a lingering stench over America. From things like shootings of unarmed black men, to the justification of those same shootings. We recent had a cop sentenced to less than seven years for unloading his gun into an unarmed young man that was already on the ground, shot. He lied and three other lied and only when the tape was released did we find out the lie. The other three got no time for their part in the conspiracy and you don't understand and you call BLM garbage.

Anyway, you should get out more and understand more about Martin Luther King Jr. before you start assuming what he would and wouldn't have supported. I suggest reading a book called "Bearing The Cross" to understand the part of the Civil Rights Movement in America.

But to have understanding you must also admit that for close to 100 years America had apartheid, renamed "The Black Codes" and "Jim Crow". This country had racial policies that we not different from South Africa, which is why it took so long to condemn the South African apartheid system.

Have a reflective Martin Luther King Jr. Day.
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Agreed

Actually your answer just shows that you are the one who is clueless. His fight was honourable and just, what it turned into is a victim mentality cult blaming everyone around who doesn't see it your way.
 
Actually your answer just shows that you are the one who is clueless. His fight was honourable and just, what it turned into is a victim mentality cult blaming everyone around who doesn't see it your way.

Is 7 years for shooting an unarmed person who was no threat a fair sentence?

Do you deny that the United States had a civil war over the right to own people as property, or that after the Civil War racist laws and policies were still enacted?

Do you think prejudice and racism disappeared in 1965 with the passage of the Civil Rights Act?
 
Is 7 years for shooting an unarmed person who was no threat a fair sentence?

Do you deny that the United States had a civil war over the right to own people as property, or that after the Civil War racist laws and policies were still enacted?

Do you think prejudice and racism disappeared in 1965 with the passage of the Civil Rights Act?
Here we go. Didn't take long ...
 
Try not to paint liberals as "identitarians" by citing fringe exceptions that liberals lambast. And also, your not so thinly veiled attempt at comparing liberals to nazis hasn't gone unnoticed with you choosing to call upon the term "identitarian" when attempting to form your argument. Calling Tim Cook an "identitarian" is one of the most absurd claims ever made on these forums.

It's idiotic Mac Rumors needs to put the following disclaimer on a post about Martin Luther King Day. I thought, "No, no need for that." Then I saw your comment. Now I know why they did.
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I suggest you look up the word "identitarian" and then see if you still feel the same way.

If you think the siege at Evergreen was "fringe", then you should also explain other similar "fringe" cases with the Berkley riots and arson, which also escalated to the streets with armed thugs beating people over the head with bike locks, or the Univeristy of Missouri professor who during an occupation of public land felt legitimised to assault students in the third-degree. All of these cases started because of charges of racism, for either "white people not leaving", "hosting conservative speakers", or an alleged "poop graffiti swastika". In all cases group racial indignation was the justification for behaving in a disgraceful manner. If you think these things are fringe you have a very warped definition of fringe, and are in no place to question my use of "Identitarian", which I included with the modifier "left", that I take as self evident. Besides, such a term and its derivatives is being used widely by commentators.

The one thing all these protests have in common is they were not peaceful as per MLK dream. Do you think MLK would want to kick white people out of a university for a day, for contrived solidarity? Do you think MLK would want to stop a conservative from speaking with violence and arson? Do you think MLK would want professors to order other students into man handling a media student because of some graffiti somewhere? Come on we are better than this.
 
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