Apple and Tim Cook Commemorate Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

[freediverx]

Yep at least for his positive and anti violence beliefs. We need a lot less people that claim to be like him, but are simply agitators and dividers.

Hmm, depends on what you classify as “divisive”.

Is it divisive to suggest that income and wealth inequality levels are unacceptable? Is it divisive to point out that centrist Democrats have endorsed policies that have accelerated wealth and income inequality in the United States since the 1980s? Is it divisive to suggest that the only way we can have political leaders who represent the interests of the people is by electing leaders who do not accept vast sums of money from billionaires and corporations? Is it divisive to argue that health insurance should not be a for-profit business or that we need to take immediate and drastic actions to mitigate catastrophic climate change?

 

[I7guy]

I am not running around preaching to other people what they should or should not buy - and then do different for myself. So you really have no point.

You’re a rare person that has nothing, zero or contains any assembly.

Tim just has to stop his virtue signaling and he can keep his slave labor camps in China.

Tim is keeping the business relationship to Foxconn and has no intention of “shutting up” because some internet posters have some faux outrage and faux criticism. I thought you got that about Tim apple.

 

[CarlJ]

The board give him the fig leaf of saying he has to - but there is no justification and they would remove that tomorrow if he wished.

Please provide proof of this claim, or stop making it.

 

[I7guy]

Indeed - I referred to it as a word salad because it was largely meaningless and you just threw in some soundbites. That is what you wrote....

Your post contains similar ”word salad“ to what you claim the OP you quoted posted.

 

[samcraig]

This thread has brought out the worst in this community.

 

[2010mini]

It still amazes me that a post about MLK can turn into political WWIII.

Is Tim Cook perfect? No. Everyone knows that.
Is MLK perfect? No. Everyone knows that.

Can Cook celebrate MLK’s good accomplishments without people saying he is a hypocrite for celebrating someone else’s accomplishments? Probably not.
From the posts of this thread it would seem one has to be a saint of purity to say anything positive about someone else.

 

[coolfactor]

Laughable. If you really believe that you would not build your product on back of slave labours (often time political prisoners) underaged workers and third world country wages.

Not really worth responding to, but I will. Apple's suppliers and contracted manufacturers are the ones that violate those first two rules (occasionally), and Apple holds them accountable when the truth comes to light. We know that to be true.

Walmart, one of America's great "success stories", is a built on the very principles that you speak of. Do you boycott Walmart, too?
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I agree with everything that Tim said. The problem, in my eyes, is the social support systems that become a crutch for too many people and are abused far too much. Laziness, greed and selfishness leads to an imbalance, and far too many people become reliant on a system that is only meant to be helping hand for a short term. My own brother claims to have qualified for a "lifetime disability cheque"... the same amount of money that I need to work my ass off for every week. It's frustrating that this imbalance exists. If we can fix that by holding every person accountable for the support that they receive, I think it would improve the situation for everyone.

 

[TMRJIJ]

go vegan

Definitely lost me after this phrase lol

 

[2010mini]

Instead of the negativity on this thread, each person should instead make the world a better place. Smile, say hello to people, go vegan, walk don't drive, research before you vote, be open minded, be liberal, be open, travel, travel, travel. And don't waste your life being negative on forums - you're wasting your life. Tomorrow is never guaranteed. Make a good impact and aim to be well remembered.

Going vegan does nothing to make the world a ‘better’ place. In order for you to live, something else must die. Life feeds on life.
Agriculture is one of the most destructive things humans do to the planet. In order to grow food, the land must first be stripped bare of all living things down to microbes. Doing this destroys natural habitats and kills off species.
Sorry to burst your innocent bubbles vegans. Being able to choose what type of diet to consume is usually reserved for those lucky to live in places where it is possible.

 

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[Solver]

If you change a single atom, the universe is affected.

 

[I7guy]

If you change a single atom, the universe is affected.

Butterfly effect?

 

[hagar]

I assume everybody condemning Apple for using cheap Chinese labor are not buying Apple products? Or any other tech from US companies?

Why not get the US government to forbid the import of products that do not meet a certain standard? That would level the playing fields for all companies. Because otherwise we’re just holding Apple to a higher standard that the others.

 

[Peperino]

Rev. Martin Luther King was a democratic socialist. Yup, just like Bernie Sanders

If MLK were alive today, he would remind Tim Cook that the problem with our society isn’t just racism, but unbridled capitalism. So it’s a tad ironic for the CEO of one of the world’s largest tax avoiders to celebrate MLK Day.

Tim Cook hypocrisy at its best!
Not only the largest TAX AVOIDER but also a supporter of China's Tyranny government by removing apps.

As MLK said "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter".

 

[Jensend]

Going vegan does nothing to make the world a ‘better’ place. In order for you to live, something else must die. Life feeds on life.
Agriculture is one of the most destructive things humans do to the planet. In order to grow food, the land must first be stripped bare of all living things down to microbes. Doing this destroys natural habitats and kills off species.
Sorry to burst your innocent bubbles vegans. Being able to choose what type of diet to consume is usually reserved for those lucky to live in places where it is possible.

Would you not agree that vegan diets have less negative impact on the environment than meat-heavy diets?

 

[NickName99]

Happy MLK day everyone, be your best self.

 

[Glockworkorange]

Indeed - I referred to it as a word salad because it was largely meaningless and you just threw in some soundbites. That is what you wrote.

As for aviation you're simply wrong. Every single aviation expert across the western world agrees with the statistics that show commercial flying is safe. The Queen of England uses it, Leonardo di Caprio uses it, Kate Middleton does too. Senators and Congressmen use it routinely. As I said, even Princess Diana did. So you are the one who is saying all the aviation experts who advise such people are wrong, the highest level experts in the US and British governments are wrong - it's absurd and the burden rests with you to suggest that you know more than the experts.

You might be surprised to learn if you don't know that world that when someone as rich as Cook uses commercial it doesn't mean he waits in line. He would get a special pass to enter by different areas, it would be incredibly safe, at the same airport he would fly from anyway and with tightly controlled access and armed police there. The airlines deal day in, day out with people far more important, far richer, far more famous than Cook.

Now I don't blame him. He's rich and wants to have a private jet. That's fine. But he is a hypocrite for then virtue signalling about the environment. And gullible people then believe some ridiculous idea that Apple "force" him to enjoy luxury private jets. Next you'll be claiming they force him to accept his share options!! I am sorry to break this to you - the rich and powerful lie and lie often.

Everything you wrote about King was irrelevant (though you overstate that he is revered by all of society, some conservatives [and a tiny, tiny number of liberals] take a more nuanced view of his personal failings). The question is how it pertains to Cook who would be an implacable enemy of King in virtually every regard.

The only thing you said of value was that "doing good works isn't virtue signalling". That I agree with 100%. However writing tweets is not "doing good work".

You sound very angry. I hope you find some peace.
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Rare to find a nice positive message in a political thread! Of course it depends on how you define "liberal" (societies are far too complex for any one ideology to always be right about everything) and the endless travel is doing enormous damage to the environment but otherwise what you wrote is hard to disagree with

My understanding is the Board of Directors will not let Tim Cook fly commercial.

It is mandated he use a private plane, or an Apple plane or something chartered just for him or whatever.

Bottom line---you'll never see Tim Cook just chilling and reading a magazine in the book shop while waiting for a flight.
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Would you not agree that vegan diets have less negative impact on the environment than meat-heavy diets?

maybe. But the idea everyone should eat vegan for the good of the world is insane. It's totalitarian to try and force people to adapt to your way of eating.

Different strokes for different folks---I am hardcore keto and would never go total vegan, but to each their own.

 

[freediverx]

Can Cook celebrate MLK’s good accomplishments without people saying he is a hypocrite for celebrating someone else’s accomplishments? Probably not.
From the posts of this thread it would seem one has to be a saint of purity to say anything positive about someone else.

I think we can all applaud Cook for his successful leadership of Apple and for the company’s commendable stance on issues like environmental protection and inclusiveness, without giving him a free pass when Apple does things that don’t align with their professed progressive values.

 

[Darth Tulhu]

Why can’t MR posters stop their immorality signaling? All the good works Cook and Apple do just drive you guys crazy lol.

If Apple is to pull out of China, that’s a board level decision, not the CEO’s. The board also requires the private flights, for security and efficiency as well. If you have information to the contrary, I’d love to hear it.

Let’s face it: there are plenty of people in this country who despise everything Martin Luther King Jr. stood for, and accomplished. The constant immorality signaling by those that don’t agree with civil rights, every citizen’s right to vote and all being created equal is truly tiresome 🙄

Thanks Tim Apple, for honoring a great man!

I have to agree with this.

Praising and promoting goodness and righteousness is NEVER wrong, regardless of the source.

While I would prefer Tim would keep Apple out of political issues (due to the inherent hypocrisy the detractors are pointing out), I cannot complain about ANYONE reminding others that good examples of humanity exist and that we're ALL better off if we work together for the benefit of all, which is what MLK was all about.
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Hate to break the news, but "right wing"/Conservatives (who are not white supremacists, stop trying to tie them together) LOVE MLK.

LOLOLOLOL.

Yeah, right. RIIIIIGHT.

Well, I guess that it's those "few" that made it into the government, and its only "them" that have shaped the policies over all these years that eventually led to a white supremacist operating with impunity at the HIGHEST level of government.

 

[Glockworkorange]

I have to agree with this.

Praising and promoting goodness and righteousness is NEVER wrong, regardless of the source.

While I would prefer Tim would keep Apple out of political issues (due to the inherent hypocrisy the detractors are pointing out), I cannot complain about ANYONE reminding others that good examples of humanity exist and that we're ALL better off if we work together for the benefit of all, which is what MLK was all about.
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LOLOLOLOL.

Yeah, right. RIIIIIGHT.

Well, I guess that it's those "few" that made it into the government, and its only "them" that have shaped the policies over all these years that eventually led to a white supremacist operating with impunity at the HIGHEST level of government.

Wow.

 

[Jensend]

Sorry to burst your innocent bubbles vegans. Being able to choose what type of diet to consume is usually reserved for those lucky to live in places where it is possible.

People tend to eat more meat as they get richer. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-consumption-vs-gdp-per-capita
Maybe eating a strictly vegan diet may be harder than a diet with some meat and dairy, but overall, eating more meat is more expensive.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Indeed - I referred to it as a word salad because it was largely meaningless and you just threw in some soundbites. That is what you wrote.

As for aviation you're simply wrong. Every single aviation expert across the western world agrees with the statistics that show commercial flying is safe. The Queen of England uses it, Leonardo di Caprio uses it, Kate Middleton does too. Senators and Congressmen use it routinely. As I said, even Princess Diana did. So you are the one who is saying all the aviation experts who advise such people are wrong, the highest level experts in the US and British governments are wrong - it's absurd and the burden rests with you to suggest that you know more than the experts.

You might be surprised to learn if you don't know that world that when someone as rich as Cook uses commercial it doesn't mean he waits in line. He would get a special pass to enter by different areas, it would be incredibly safe, at the same airport he would fly from anyway and with tightly controlled access and armed police there. The airlines deal day in, day out with people far more important, far richer, far more famous than Cook.

Now I don't blame him. He's rich and wants to have a private jet. That's fine. But he is a hypocrite for then virtue signalling about the environment. And gullible people then believe some ridiculous idea that Apple "force" him to enjoy luxury private jets. Next you'll be claiming they force him to accept his share options!! I am sorry to break this to you - the rich and powerful lie and lie often.

Everything you wrote about King was irrelevant (though you overstate that he is revered by all of society, some conservatives [and a tiny, tiny number of liberals] take a more nuanced view of his personal failings). The question is how it pertains to Cook who would be an implacable enemy of King in virtually every regard.

The only thing you said of value was that "doing good works isn't virtue signalling". That I agree with 100%. However writing tweets is not "doing good work".

You sound very angry. I hope you find some peace.

1) What I wrote was quite clear; you not liking it doesn’t make it “word salad”, sound bites or irrelevant. Again, if you’re having trouble understanding what I wrote, I’ll be happy to provide clarification. Just ask. If you don’t understand what I wrote, your replies probably won’t be responsive.

2) Read what I wrote. I already said the safety of commercial flights isn’t the issue. Trying to protect someone who regularly gets death threats is the issue. The board thinks it’s safer, and more efficient, for Cook to fly private. You think there’s an ulterior motive, but have no proof. You think it’s a conspiracy between Cook and the board, but you offer no support for that claim.

3) King accomplished great things, and sacrificed his life to do so. That’s true no matter how “nuanced” you want to get, and furthermore don’t pretend to know how he would feel about Cook; you have no idea.

People are complicated, and no one is perfect. But great accomplishments aren’t so easily cancelled. It’s more honest to evaluate on the whole, rather to decide to cancel someone based on his failings, while ignoring or minimizing accomplishments.

And let’s be clear: I never said “King was revered by all of society”, so please don’t twist my words. You claimed “King was and remains controversial outside the elite”. That’s false on its face. His controversiality has nothing to do with “elites”. As I said, “He is revered by all segments of society, though quite unpopular with racists and white supremacists/white nationalists/the ‘alt right’.”

Elites are not the problem.

4) wrt the environment, you’re engaging in black and white thinking. Recycling old equipment, green power, reducing use of conflict metals, auditing suppliers, reducing power consumption, etc. isn’t negated by Cook flying private. 100% good minus 1% bad is still 99% good. Would 100% be better? Sure, perfect would be better. But 99% doesn’t make Cook a hypocrite. Being 99% virtuous isn’t “virtue signaling”. It’s still virtuous.

5) I’m doing just great, Bless your heart. Thanks for asking 🙂 You’ve simply mistaken passion for anger. Hope you find peace as well.

 

[ronntaylor]

That is something quite funny once you realise it - most of the "woke" people today would condemn King for his "problematic" view that you can judge someone by his character, they would scream that he isn't understanding institutional oppression and how "whiteness" means that universities and businesses should discriminate on the grounds of race etc etc. You can imagine some wealthy white liberal screaming that King is a "racist"!

King was a strong supporter of affirmative action. In “Why We Can’t Wait,” published in 1963, he argued that given the long history of American racism, Blacks fully deserved "special, compensatory measures" in jobs, education and other realms. Four years later, in "Where Do We Go From Here?" he wrote: "A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him."

I'll ignore the silly reference to MLK and the #MeToo movement.

 

[SBlue1]

Well the Chinese communist party has murdered far, far more political opponents that the South Africans ever did. And today the Chinese are ethnically cleansing people with concentration camps.

You are pretty high on your moral horse. China here and Tim there. Bet you were on those Free Tibet marches while the US have been doing the same to the Hawaiians for the last 130 years.

 

[SeattleMoose]

MLK was a great man. He wanted peace not chaos. That is why he was taken out...just like RFK.