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With all the experimental technology swapped in, I was expecting a built-in nano sim slot with multi carrier compatibility.
 
It's outrageous that to haul a bunch of stuff around in your brand new Mustang GT you would have to get a trailer hitch and trailer. It won't even haul big loads! It's absurd that Ford has no regard for the customer when you can't put 7 people in it, it won't get 60mpg, and won't even fit in tiny parking spots!

My point is that if the new Macbook doesn't meet your needs, then don't buy it! They have other models that might better fit those needs. If your needs are to haul around a bunch of people along with a Bobcat, a Mustang might be a bad choice. Although if you want a fun car that will go really fast and you only ever take one passenger, that Mustang might be looking like a good choice.
Senator, I've driven a Mustang GT. I know Mustangs. The Mustangs I looked at inside the dealership last weekend are phenomenal automobiles. Senator, this MacBook is no Mustang.
 
Why can't Apple just leave things alone? Everyone just wanted a Macbook Air with a retina screen. They give you the retina screen but take away all the connectivity. Everyone wanted an updated Mini, they gave us a speed and spec bump but took away the upgradeability.

The problem is that Ive has way too much power internally at Apple and no one left to tell him when his **** stinks. He is surrounded by "yes" men. Having absolutely no connectivity so Ive can make the laptop a few millimetres thinner is insanity and evidence of his form-over-function design philosophy taken to the absolute extreme.

You're right, it is form-over-function. So let's hope Apple customers are smart enough to leave this on the shelf. If no one at Apple is willing to curb this endless obsession with thinness, the market will have to decide. So it's up to us, the consumers, to say yes or no. I'll be saying no, just like I did when the they added a mirror-like sheet of untreated glass in front of every iMac's screen back in 2007.
 
Erm.. I clearly have no intent to buy this Macbook because of how bad it is.
Also, apparently it starts at $1.5K in Canada.

It's ridiculous how I have to buy an adapter just to use the computer. That's why it's horrible. I don't understand why people like you seem to take personal offense.

I'm saying: This is a horrible product. You can have your opinion. But my opinion is that it's bad, very, very bad. Why? Because it's a downgrade of experience, but upgrade in price. Less battery, Less ports, Less CPU, Less Heat tolerance. Has a retina display going for it at least... Too bad I can't use my computer how I want to when I'm charging it. Forget about games.

I was expressing my outrage at how horrible this is, related to the news. This was my reaction. I wasn't pissing and whining about it as you so kindly say. Are you saying that the only reaction that is acceptable is for me to be like "Hey, this is wonderful. Good work Apple!"

You have your opinion, I have mine. So leave me alone.

Your tone is one of personal grievance, using language like "if I'm paying..." and "my outrage".

My point is that you're not "paying" and you're not "having to buy an adapter" because you're not going to buy the machine because it doesn't meet your requirements, end of story.

As an aside your whole argument does fall down slightly on the fact that you're prepared to buy an extra screen, mouse, keyboard and external storage devices. Where's your outrage at the fact that your current laptop doesn't come with all those things to let you use it how you want?
 
No ports, more money. Not sold on this. I am hoping the other apple laptops will remain.

Agree 100% just another sneaky way for them to sell adapters, and I was thinking of getting the 8/512 but for $1600 Really I do not need to spend more money on silly adapters, so not worth that, I will just order a new MBA 13 8/512 for similar amount of $
 
Agree 100% just another sneaky way for them to sell adapters, and I was thinking of getting the 8/512 but for $1600 Really I do not need to spend more money on silly adapters, so not worth that, I will just order a new MBA 13 8/512 for similar amount of $

I don't understand what you guys are using all ports for?! Please enlighten me.
 
My laptop is my only computer. Under normal circumstances, it is connected to a monitor, speakers, and a USB 3 hub for a couple of hard drives. That amount of connections is not possible for the new MacBook. I do occasionally disconnect but not often, at the time the 15 MacBook pro made more sense than an iMac. This laptop is not meant for people like me. I can't understand why someone wouldn't buy a MacBook air which is still thin and light with a better processor and more ports.
 
My laptop is my only computer. Under normal circumstances, it is connected to a monitor, speakers, and a USB 3 hub for a couple of hard drives. That amount of connections is not possible for the new MacBook. I do occasionally disconnect but not often, at the time the 15 MacBook pro made more sense than an iMac. This laptop is not meant for people like me. I can't understand why someone wouldn't buy a MacBook air which is still thin and light with a better processor and more ports.

with the adapter, you can plug into AC, a usb port, a monitor...and use the headphone jack for your speakers. done!
 
i was curious why extra ports are a deal breaker for people?

ive had my macbook air for 5 years and use it for work as well as i am a software developer.

i have never used any of the ports except for headphone jack.

Thus as this is a 'portable' machine, the removal of ports makes sense to me.

I use my MBA 13" 2010 base model in my sales job, and I use the USB port only for TimeMachine backups and using my SuperDrive occasionally. Wishing I had held off getting my bargin iPad Air a few months ago.
 
I think they will

If it only the screen would have been bigger!

I am not sure, but I will make a guess here.

I think that Apple will sometime this year, probably about September/October update the Macbook pro 13" and 15".
When they do I think that they will bring them both in line with the design and overall 'Language' of the new Macbook 12"
So for instance they will share the same new Unibody design and the same approach to Battery design as well as probably being slightly thinner and lighter. They both will share the same new USB-C Port
This is my opinion because I don't see Apple making this amazing new Macbook and saying it is "The future of the Notebook" only to make it a Product on it's own.
it makes sense that they will at some point bring the rest of their Macbook range in line too.
This means I think they will start to retire the Macbook Air
as otherwise their product line in the Macbook range will be too complex and too many. Here then is what I think will be the line up by later this year

12" Macbook -> For those who want a ridiculously thin and light Notebook.

13" Macbook Pro -> for those who want a more powerful Notebook with slightly bigger screen

15" Macbook Pro -> for those who want a more powerful Notebook with a far bigger screen

The Macbook Air will still be on sale for a year or two with reduced price point for those who want a Macbook but can't quite afford the others.

The Macbook Pro 13" and 15" will both be available in the 3 Colours...Space Grey, Silver and Gold and will have the new Force Touch Trackpad.

This makes choosing a Notebook far easier and better with less complexity.

I though could be wrong but we will see in a few months.

Overall though I think it is amazing and very good piece of engineering.
I hear the keyboard is not as good as regular MacBooks in terms of the travel though that I am sure will just be something people need to get used to and once they do will be ok with it, same with there Force Click.

Can't with for Apple to release a 15" Macbook Pro with all the features of the 12" Macbook and in the same 3 colours, then i am upgrading my 2013 Macbook Pro

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The Air has:
  • longer battery life
  • usb ports
  • thunderbolt
  • sd card
  • magsafe! ( I cannot believe they expect people to go back to cord tripping :eek:)
  • cheaper
  • larger screen

Only on the 13" Macbook Air, the 11" Macbook Air is nearly the same in every area.
 
I don't understand what you guys are using all ports for?! Please enlighten me.

I currently run a 240GB SSD as boot drive, apps and some files, I use an external drive for all other data including iTunes, also on My MBP I use the display port for an HDMI cable I connect to a TV in my RV so that I can watch all the movies on my external drive. So having one port and the need for Power, HDMI, USB 3.0 kind of dampens me getting a new MB
 
Desktop macs do not need batteries.

I cant tell if you are trolling or not lol.

The point is the reason you pay more for a similarly specd machine is because it also offers portability and can be used elsewhere.

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I currently run a 240GB SSD as boot drive, apps and some files, I use an external drive for all other data including iTunes, also on My MBP I use the display port for an HDMI cable I connect to a TV in my RV so that I can watch all the movies on my external drive. So having one port and the need for Power, HDMI, USB 3.0 kind of dampens me getting a new MB

This isnt for everyone, me included.

But there are plenty of people who's use this would fit ideally.

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Senator, I've driven a Mustang GT. I know Mustangs. The Mustangs I looked at inside the dealership last weekend are phenomenal automobiles. Senator, this MacBook is no Mustang.

Way to miss his point much lol
 
I'm pretty sure design dictates engineering at Apple.



I don't buy this for one second and i'm pretty sure you have nothing to back this claim up. Ports will be one of those things users never really appreciated until they were taken away from them.

Off the top of my head, the following extremely common tasks will not be possible without an adapter (assuming Macbook is plugged in):

1. Use of an external display.
2. Use of external hard drive or USB flash drive for data or time machine backups.
3. No wired printer or scanner connectivity
4. No wired keyboard or mouse connectivity
5. Cannot charge iPhone, iPad or other USB device.
6. Cannot import photos from camera using SD card.
7. Cannot get wired networking.

And those type of people will buy from Apples existing line of laptops that have those ports. Can please everyone all the time.


I cannot understand how people still think you need 8Gb of ram minimum on a Mac.
Because people do not have even a basic understanding of how caching, buffers and RAM management work in a modern Unix/Linux operating system. If the RAM is there the system will use it.

I have a deep understanding of those types of systems. Just because somethings cached in memory does not mean its being used at the time. It just keeps it in memory until its used.

Chromebooks have way more connectivity

You didn't just mention a chromebook did you...lol.

And I don't think the adapter is the answer because:

1. They are easy to lose or break
2. They are easy to forget
3. Having an adapter hanging off the side ruins the sleekness of the device
4. In Australia, the adapter which only gives 1 x USB, 1 x HDMI (or VGA) costs 8 percent of the total cost of the laptop.
5. It does not provide ethernet (do we need to daisy chain adapters now or something)?

But you don't have a problem with all those connectors you want to use in all those ports you claim are missing.

At that point in time, both Steve Jobs and Scott Forstall were there to counter-balance Ive and call him out when wrong.

Yet Scott Forstall was fired for bad design decisions.
 
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So looking at this new MacBook:

  • The Core M 5Y71 in the faster model might be weedy for a modern CPU but it's still probably going to be about twice as fast as the Core 2 Duo L9600 in my current machine, which is a 2010 Air.
  • Lack of MagSafe is annoying, but on the other hand I already need a mini-DisplayPort to HDMI dongle for my Cintiq, and I have never used my SD card slot.
  • It's £20 cheaper than the refreshed 13" Macbook Air with the same RAM (8Gb) and flash (512Gb).
  • It has a Retina screen and it weighs 2lbs!

My 2010 Air is anaemic compared to modern computers, but it's still going strong with no lag or noticeable lack of horsepower. In fact it's still so good I'm not sure I can justify an upgrade. But this new MacBook is so very tempting - I thought I would hate the machine after seeing the leaks, but actually I can't wait to try it out in a store.

As laptops like this one become more popular, developers will need to stop targeting the bleeding edge of processor/GPU power and make sure their apps scale down to more modest machines. iOS developers manage to write apps for low-power CPUs without lag. I know it won't happen, and games will continue to have 'minimum' specs asking for a GTX 980 but it is stupid how much faster processors get and how much slower the same software ends up running on them.

My MBA 13" 2010 does OK as my repurposed work computer for my sales job. My lament is that I didn't wait for a custom build with 4gb ram. For my "sloppy" use I am finding more lag between switching between apps.

After the announcement yesterday, I can see this new MacBook being a good balance between work and pleasure. The issue becomes one of how many devices does one need?

My MBA sits at work mostly when I am off. The iPad Air is the main "computer" I use when at home or on pleasure travel. Have a MBPr that is my desktop computer, that serves more as a server because of the iPad. And the iPhone 6 Plus adds confusion to the mix....
 
This is Apple's cheapest Retina macbook by far


Please don't tell that to the base 13" MBP, which is also $1299, and offers more posts, a larger screen, more powerful processor, faster graphics, more options available (such as faster processors, more memory, more storage), larger battery... get the idea?
 
You're right, it is form-over-function. So let's hope Apple customers are smart enough to leave this on the shelf. If no one at Apple is willing to curb this endless obsession with thinness, the market will have to decide. So it's up to us, the consumers, to say yes or no. I'll be saying no, just like I did when the they added a mirror-like sheet of untreated glass in front of every iMac's screen back in 2007.
The problem with Apple has always been that there's no real choise. There's some outdated and overpriced model that lacks the most needed feature of the new thing. To get the new feature, you loose 3 old.

Why people buy new iPhones? Mostly because the big screen. Why new macbook? I thinks it's the same. Weight and dimensions play a little role here, they are so close to each other between MB and MBA, that you can make the difference only in numbers and ads. I did use a powerbook a decade ago, which had 1440 px wide screen. I didn't like it, why would I like it better now, when there are 3-4k screens in laptops and living rooms (not connected to new MB by hdmi...)?

If there would be MBA with retina, there would be a real choise.
If there would be rMBP with blu-ray, there would be a real choise.
If there would be 17" MBP with matte retina, there would be a real choise.
If there would be an iPad with matte screen, there would be a real choise.
Instead of giving option for buyer to choose how the display is finished, they give options for case color. This shows who macs are now targeted to: customers who value form-over-function. But also like to hear magical techno language, which they understand or not, but gives the impression that there's lots of magic inside of the product.

Every time Ive says in their commercials that aluminium is so tough, I can't think of anything else than it's pretty much the softest metal used in manufacturing. Which is fine by me, when I dropped a mug to my mbp, it didn't crack, it just got a dent and bended just a little (but enough for the hdd under the dent to malfunction). But when Ive has to mention toughness every time he says aliminum remands me what Apple's main product is: money for share holders.
 
I currently run a 240GB SSD as boot drive, apps and some files, I use an external drive for all other data including iTunes, also on My MBP I use the display port for an HDMI cable I connect to a TV in my RV so that I can watch all the movies on my external drive. So having one port and the need for Power, HDMI, USB 3.0 kind of dampens me getting a new MB

Seeing how this is a laptop, meaning its use-case is to be able to move it, I'm not sure you need a laptop then if you always use external drives for other things. When you sit in your sofa, for instance, do you bring both of those external drives and plug them in, leaving them beside you in the sofa with cables running across your lap? Or when you bring the laptop on the train/subway/bus, do you have cables running across the seats because you need your external drives plugged in?

HDMI is not needed since there's tons of streaming-devices that lets you stream your media to your TV. Therefore DisplayPort is no longer needed as well. If you use DP for external screen, then you should probably look for another laptop or a stationary computer.

Again, if you need external display to get a more stationary computer-setup, or if you need to connect to TVs (other than occasionally), this laptop isn't meant for you, hence the absence of ports is not relevant.

I really don't see this as an issue. And if other people do, then obviously this machine is not for them. There's already the rMBP with a ton of ports for those who use them frequently. I don't see the need of having a port that's always there even though you only use it, as in my case, very few times.
 
i have another argument.

Imagine that your son was kidnapped. The kidnappers say: "you'll only have you son back if you can plug in your computer one usb and one charger at same time".

Well, now you can't. And you lost your son. Forever.

that's just how i lost my son!!! Stop laughing at me!!!!!!

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i was curious why extra ports are a deal breaker for people?

ive had my macbook air for 5 years and use it for work as well as i am a software developer.

i have never used any of the ports except for headphone jack.

Thus as this is a 'portable' machine, the removal of ports makes sense to me.

I'm a developer and have constant use of the ports and SD reader. But, I've never used my headphone jack. We seem to be at an impasse.
 
What are y'all going to do to connect your iphone to the macbook to back up via itunes? Especially since Apple RECOMMENDS backing up your iphone to itunes via USB in order to increase storage space.

Oh, I forgot ... "buy more icloud space ..."
 
I don't understand what you guys are using all ports for?! Please enlighten me.

USB mice, my iPhone/iPad, external memory cards, printer (on occasion) and external storage (USB drives as well as ext hdd) for me
 
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